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Why don't you call up family radio and get a copy of his book "time has an end." Or the short version "We are almost there, "that on can be downloaded free also. Its free, get his number at familyradio.com. We read his books and maybe you should do the same, seeing is believing. Problem with scoffers is they never try to disprove something, but just scoff. First read, then let me hear your scoffing.
It's not scoffing Blu it's an honest assessment that most people who come up with such dates are wrong. But even using human wisdom and current state of world events I can tell that 2011 is too short. That would put us past the mid=point of the 3 year tribulation. By the way, there's no such thing as a pre-tribulation rapture. I remember when I listened to someone who knew when the date was, it was back in 2006, by 2008 we were to be raptured. Well, HERE WE STILL ARE. Don't take anyone's word for it, not even familyradio.org, they can't be right about everything. The symbolic nature of numbers in the bible make it darn near impossible to come up with an accurate year, let alone decade, for any predicted event.
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Near impossible, but not impossibel for the right teacher.
OK, It is true there have been many prediction over the past hundred years or so, and all have been wrong. However, every time these looneys predicted the end of the world, they were saying they were inspired by visions or dreams, or intuition, etc. The big difference here is that this is pure information strictly from the bible, no dreams of visions. The information is nothing new, it is titled "progressive revelation." We get that from the prophecies of Daniel, for God told him to seal up the book until the end days. (Dan 12:4) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
As you may have noticed people have been changing churches as often as changing underwear. The knowledge that will be increased is the progressive revelation.
Bible said that the wise mans heart will know time and judgment. So God has a time for every purpose under heaven. There is no 3 years tribulation, it is 23 years based on Daniel's 84000 days. The first trib was 7 years with Jacob in Egypt Daniel also speaks of 1290 days. If you take 1290 and go from Jacob's & year trib to Judea's 70 year trib is exactly 1290 years. Then if you 2x 1290, you get to 1988, and that is when the third trib began , 23 years later it is 2011. All this info is in the book "time has an end."It is free for the asking. Read it and weep to find out how much God does give to the true believers.
The rapture time is,: (Mt 24:29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
OK, It is true there have been many prediction over the past hundred years or so, and all have been wrong. However, every time these looneys predicted the end of the world, they were saying they were inspired by visions or dreams, or intuition, etc. The big difference here is that this is pure information strictly from the bible, no dreams of visions. The information is nothing new, it is titled "progressive revelation." We get that from the prophecies of Daniel, for God told him to seal up the book until the end days. (Dan 12:4) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
As you may have noticed people have been changing churches as often as changing underwear. The knowledge that will be increased is the progressive revelation.
Bible said that the wise mans heart will know time and judgment. So God has a time for every purpose under heaven. There is no 3 years tribulation, it is 23 years based on Daniel's 84000 days. The first trib was 7 years with Jacob in Egypt Daniel also speaks of 1290 days. If you take 1290 and go from Jacob's & year trib to Judea's 70 year trib is exactly 1290 years. Then if you 2x 1290, you get to 1988, and that is when the third trib began , 23 years later it is 2011. All this info is in the book "time has an end."It is free for the asking. Read it and weep to find out how much God does give to the true believers.
The rapture time is,: (Mt 24:29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
The numbers are not so precise that you can use them in that way. Whether you draw upon visions or prophetic gifts , or the bible alone, you can't get the right year except by guesswork.
Harold Camping looks to be a heretic, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping
So I don't think he is the right teacher.
Camping has already got it wrong with his 1994 date:
In 1992, Camping published a book titled 1994?, in which he proclaimed that Christ's return might be on September 6, 1994.
Examples of how Camping's teachings vary from past conventional doctrines are:
Harold Camping looks to be a heretic, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping
So I don't think he is the right teacher.
Camping has already got it wrong with his 1994 date:
In 1992, Camping published a book titled 1994?, in which he proclaimed that Christ's return might be on September 6, 1994.
Examples of how Camping's teachings vary from past conventional doctrines are:
- Departing from Calvinist doctrine, Camping teaches relative free will of humanity, and that humans are not totally depraved. However, he subscribes to the idea that salvation is unmerited, cannot be achieved by good works or prayer, and is a pure act of God's grace.
- Departing from the doctrine of eternal torment for the unsaved in a place called Hell, Camping teaches annihilationism; that life will end and existence will cease for the unsaved soul.[9]
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The bible is the only one true source of sound doctrine and should be the mean by which anyone can find truth. I dont think that the qualification of anyone can guarantees that what he says is true. That is the work of God through His Word. It is impossible to discern a lie, when the truth remains unknown. You have to know what the truth is FIRST to know who boldly speaks of it.
We gave you enough proof, so you are not worth the time to argue with, and i will not longer cast my pearls before you/
If you read 1994? you will see that He says 1994 was speculative, and that the only other dare could be 2011, so he was way ahead of the scoffers even then. he doctrines of annihilation are biblically founded, Eternal suffering is and was the wrong teaching for many years, it was merely used as a scare tactic.
Your problem is that you are refusing Progressive revelation and fail to adhere to the opened seals of Daniel. That is yours and the ppl you listen to's fault. Any false prophet you listen to will deny the truth buy circumventing Camping;s teachings of truth. But that will be your horror story on May 21, 2011 when you find yourself left behind with all of them.
look at sodom and Gommorah, are they still suffering in the flames of eternal fire. do you see the smoke of those cities still burning. An example was set by what God means by eternal fire.
(Jude 1:7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
You are full of preconceived ideas by listening to the false prophets and do not have the mind to think and search out the matter for yourself.
If you read 1994? you will see that He says 1994 was speculative, and that the only other dare could be 2011, so he was way ahead of the scoffers even then. he doctrines of annihilation are biblically founded, Eternal suffering is and was the wrong teaching for many years, it was merely used as a scare tactic.
Your problem is that you are refusing Progressive revelation and fail to adhere to the opened seals of Daniel. That is yours and the ppl you listen to's fault. Any false prophet you listen to will deny the truth buy circumventing Camping;s teachings of truth. But that will be your horror story on May 21, 2011 when you find yourself left behind with all of them.
look at sodom and Gommorah, are they still suffering in the flames of eternal fire. do you see the smoke of those cities still burning. An example was set by what God means by eternal fire.
(Jude 1:7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
You are full of preconceived ideas by listening to the false prophets and do not have the mind to think and search out the matter for yourself.
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I apologize for flooding. The network here is so poor. Lauren, Mark 13:32 is not talking about the time. Christ is God in flesh and He knows everything both past and present. 1 Thessalonians 5:4, tells us that the children of light will not be surprised by Christs return. That can only be possible if they know the time when that is. The book of Daniel has everything to do with revealing the time of the end which God chose to reserve when the end was near. This are some of the things that Familyradio and Mr Harold Camping are trying to warn the world.
Never said you personally, but there are many out there as were in the days of noah who preached 120 years. Yet, of about a million ppl, only 000.8% were saved, and the Lord does say it will be like in the days of Noah. If you go back over the thread and see what we have said thus far, take it into account , and do not just glaze over it, it is your life, Camping is a true teacher/prophet and the scoffers of this world will scorn him as they did Noah. Read his book "we are almost there," that you can download at familyradio.com and then you will see the difference betwixt him and the lying scoffers who think they know it all..
Check it out lauren, Those who say peace and safety say we know he is coming, but we do not know when, so we just accept that someday he will come.
(1Thes 5:2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(1Thes 5:3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
On the other hand, we are those we who watch. To watch means to study and get knowledge.
(1Thes 5:4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
(1Thes 5:5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
(1Thes 5:6) Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
Those who do not watch, the sleepers, will be overtaken as the thief in the night.
(1Thes 5:2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(1Thes 5:3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
On the other hand, we are those we who watch. To watch means to study and get knowledge.
(1Thes 5:4) But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
(1Thes 5:5) Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
(1Thes 5:6) Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
Those who do not watch, the sleepers, will be overtaken as the thief in the night.
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2012, Thats from the pagan Mayan calender, and supposedly this is the end of the world as thats where it stops. we've heard all these false prophecies before, and our fathers before that and before that. Did'nt Jesus say onlythe Father knew the time, so how come, some dude can give a precise date? hope this hasnt went of topic.
Camping is not a true teacher or prophet going by his doctrines I found he is more a heretic. BLU it is clear to me that you follow this Harold Camping fellow like he's your cult leader and false prophet.
I just hope you have enough common sense to realise how led astray you were, when 2011 comes and nothing Camping says comes to pass.
He got it wrong in 1994 and he'll get it wrong again for 2011. Just remember taking guesses of when it's going to happen, 1994, 2011, 2035 or whatevr, does not make anyone a prophet. Anyone can guess a number.
Re: Sodom and Gomorrah, you fail to realise that the eternal fires spoken of are the eternal fires of hell to which the souls of those killed went or will go after the judgement. It will not be tolerable for sodom and gomorrah at the judgement, as Jesus said.
Eternal torment is a doctrine long established in mainstream Christianity and the fact that you and your beloved cult leader Harold Camping denies it only confirms the heresy of his beliefs, and his followers.
I just hope you have enough common sense to realise how led astray you were, when 2011 comes and nothing Camping says comes to pass.
He got it wrong in 1994 and he'll get it wrong again for 2011. Just remember taking guesses of when it's going to happen, 1994, 2011, 2035 or whatevr, does not make anyone a prophet. Anyone can guess a number.
Re: Sodom and Gomorrah, you fail to realise that the eternal fires spoken of are the eternal fires of hell to which the souls of those killed went or will go after the judgement. It will not be tolerable for sodom and gomorrah at the judgement, as Jesus said.
Eternal torment is a doctrine long established in mainstream Christianity and the fact that you and your beloved cult leader Harold Camping denies it only confirms the heresy of his beliefs, and his followers.
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