DID GOD HARDEN ME?

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AllenDuckett

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I came back to the Lord. I was backslidden, from fornication. I know its a tough deal, I hate i went to the Navy. But i mean, i feel this pain in my chest, and i cant feel the holy spirit like i did before. Sometimes i think i feel it, but my body is so weak for some reason, like the body, affects the way we feel the spirit too. I dont know if it is from punishment or what? But did he harden my heart or something? I dont feel his joy like before.. and i been praying, and goin back to church for like 1 month or almost 2. Maybe i just went to far.. and this is permenant.

I dont want to give up hope. Something wont let me go back into my sins, and just say forget it.. becuase there is this What if in the back of my mind, playing over and over agian.. telling me to run to him, and it doesnt stop. Ive only been christian 3 years, so this is buggin me out. I cant sin, but when i go to him I doubt. Freaking WAR in my MIND.
 
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i know how you feel, and i have had problems in the same area too..dont give up because it is when we are making a change for the better that the devil realises he is losing a captive. God does not want us to be miserable, confused and have a hardened heart.. he wants the opposite. it is when i realised that God loves me unconditionally that i became so humbled and wanted to change i know it takes time and persistence .. please hang in there...
 

pickles

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Keep believing, cassandra is right. Satan is trying to mess with you.
Believe in the Love that Jesus has for you!
Dont worry, Jesus will succeed in you.
Also, forgive yourself. smiles, we often forget to do this.
God bless, pickles
 
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godsbluesman

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Its satan tryin to keep your heart hardened to things of christ--just leep faith.pray and you will get back
 

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I am convinced that neither height nor depth nor width nor people nor sin nor any other thing can separate me from the love of God that is in Jesus Christ. When sin temps us, it can almost put us to sleep, and we loose our spiritual wakefulness. This is not a hardened heart. In fact, that you are so concerned shows that you still have a heart that God has made alive.

Just return to Him, He is waiting, no condemnation, just His love.
 
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Don't give up but repent of all your sins and God will accept you.
You haven't gone too far,and God always forgives sins,and the Bible says if we sin we have an advocate with the Father,the man Christ Jesus.
God has not given up on you,and the Bible says that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance on God's part.
If you sin God will always forgive you of that sin if you repent of it.

This happened to my brother who started getting back into sin,chewing tobacco,pornography,rock and roll music,and he complained that he could not feel the Spirit anymore,and went back to the world.
God did not give up on Him,but he gave up on walking with God.
When we are involved in sin,we will lose the peace and comfort of the Spirit,but don't give up for God has not given up on you,but repent of your sins and God will accept you and you will feel the Spirit again.

If you repented of your sins and still do not feel joy,it could be that you are not forgiving yourself,or feel that God will not accept you because you were involved in fornication,which means you are doubting that God still cares for you.

Repent of your sins,forgive yourself,and believe that God still loves you and will accept you,and you will be alright and will fell the joy of the Spirit again.

The Bible says since people do not believe in a God that created all things,after a period of time God turns them over to a reprobate mind,which means that God is not trying to touch their heart to be with Him,and they only see things of the flesh and become terrible,but that is the choice they made by not believing in a God when creation testifies that there is a God,but when they knew God they did not glorify Him as God,but believed that things came about by evolution and worshipped the creature instead of the Creator.

You would not fall under this category to be turned over to a reprobate mind,for while you were in fornication you still held unto the belief in God,so God would not turn you over to a reprobate mind,for that is only for people who do not like to retain God in their mind.
You were involved in sin,which can be reconciled by repenting.
Simple as that.

While the flesh would like to enjoy fleshy pleasures,which can be pleasurable but wrong,we find that having the Spirit,the peace,love,and joy,is by far a better pleasure than physical pleasures,and there will be no guilt that will bother your mind.

Matt
 
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machew

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I came back to the Lord. I was backslidden, from fornication. I know its a tough deal, I hate i went to the Navy. But i mean, i feel this pain in my chest, and i cant feel the holy spirit like i did before. Sometimes i think i feel it, but my body is so weak for some reason, like the body, affects the way we feel the spirit too. I dont know if it is from punishment or what? But did he harden my heart or something? I dont feel his joy like before.. and i been praying, and goin back to church for like 1 month or almost 2. Maybe i just went to far.. and this is permenant.

I dont want to give up hope. Something wont let me go back into my sins, and just say forget it.. becuase there is this What if in the back of my mind, playing over and over agian.. telling me to run to him, and it doesnt stop. Ive only been christian 3 years, so this is buggin me out. I cant sin, but when i go to him I doubt. Freaking WAR in my MIND.

Jesus told us that sexual sin is the only sin that affects the inside of you. Sexual sin is actually what causes many people's heart to harden. But God hasn't hardened your heart, but is in fact pursuing you to bring healing to those places in your heart and to help you break agreements with the enemy and unhealthy soul ties that are still dragging you down. It can be a hard process, but it is well worth the reward. Don't ever allow yourself to give up! And don't let shame or guilt in. Shame and guilt are not from God, but from the devil to make you feel separated from God. You are a son of the most High God and He Loves you more than you can comprehend and He ushering you back to Him.

Jesus said "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them."(John 6:44) So if you feel compelled to come back to God, then He is the one drawing you back in. So God isn't hardening your heart, because that would be extremely counter-productive to what He is doing in your life. God is not conflicted in nature. Even though it doesn't feel the same as before, God's plan is still to get you beyond where you were before. When you repent of your sins, He remembers your sins no more, as if they never happened. There are consequences to our sin, but God is more that willing and eager to help heal our heart and restore us to our place by His side.

Blessings,

Machew
 
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I came back to the Lord. I was backslidden, from fornication. I know its a tough deal, I hate i went to the Navy. But i mean, i feel this pain in my chest, and i cant feel the holy spirit like i did before. Sometimes i think i feel it, but my body is so weak for some reason, like the body, affects the way we feel the spirit too. I dont know if it is from punishment or what? But did he harden my heart or something? I dont feel his joy like before.. and i been praying, and goin back to church for like 1 month or almost 2. Maybe i just went to far.. and this is permenant.

I dont want to give up hope. Something wont let me go back into my sins, and just say forget it.. becuase there is this What if in the back of my mind, playing over and over agian.. telling me to run to him, and it doesnt stop. Ive only been christian 3 years, so this is buggin me out. I cant sin, but when i go to him I doubt. Freaking WAR in my MIND.

Speaking as one who when I was your age fell into fornication I would say this. Before I fell I as a person was far more innocent obviously, and in that innocence was able to be close to God with a very simple childlike faith. But when we turn away and to the world it does leave its mark on us, at least for a time.

I found it was not so natural to me to have this simple, childlike faith so easily. The world leaves its scars. You may be given some one liners by some, that say everything can very quickly be back as it was before. And yes with a rededicating of our lives to God that will with perseverence happen; but of course we have been in the world and this brings new challenges for the Christian to overcome, new disciplines to be understood. And the Christian walk may not be so easy as it once was. We have tasted the world so to speak and satan will be eager to get us to return to it.

But then we have to remember that despite our human thinking at times and the thoughts satan puts in our head we have been completely forgiven. And I am sure that God will be able to use you in time as a witness of his love, mercy and forgiveness when we fail.

But I made the mistake of thinking everything would immediately be as it was before I fell. I believe we have to see that we have changed due to being involved in the world. But as I say this can be overcome and the simple childlike faith can return, but it takes time.

Oh that young people would see that the most important decisions of their life are made when we are young, decisions we make then can map the whole of our futrure for better or for worse. God has forgiven me, I know He has forgiven you; but be aware the temptations will always be there, but so will the victory in Christ
 
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But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree-in order not to say too much-to all of you. Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority, so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, lest somehow such a one is overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. Wherefore I urge yo to reaffirm your love for him. For this end also I wrote that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. But who you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ, in order that no advantage be taken of us by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his schemes.

Sorrow, which leads to repentance, is godly sorrow. If we are unable to go on, and walk in Christ as if He is with us and loves us just as always, (for Jesus loves us each without respect to any person,) then it is us who is holding back, not Christ. There is nothing that cannot be forgive except the sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit. Indeed, our covenant with God, which He has made with us in Jesus Christ, is that He will remember our sins no more. The man about who Paul is writing above, that he should be forgiven by all, was the man who was sleeping with his father's wife, openly, without shame. Paul had him put out for a time, until he came to sorrow which brought repentance. Now Paul is telling the church to receive him back, to forgive him and not cause him overmuch sorrow.

Also, that sexual sin is a cause of a hard heart, I must disagree. A hard heart comes from refusing to hear the voice of the Lord, is actually the cause of not hearing His voice. What does Paul write about sexual sin?

All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food;' but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body. Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power. But you not know that your bodies are member of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? May it never be! Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a harlot is one body with her? For He says, "THE TWO WILL BECOME ONE FLESH." But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.

Immorality is unique in that it is the only sin which is committed in such a way that you sin against yourself, against your body. And your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. As long as one is in this sin, they are asleep spiritually, they cannot tell their own way. But if they are awakened, if they see what is happening and cease and repent, then they are restored to the Lord's grace. From experience, it is damaging to participate in this sin. But God uses us as He sees fit, and He knows us better than we can know ourselves. I believe that if He brings repentance, then He wants us to know in our hearts that we are not to dwell on the past, to forget the things which are behind, and to press on into the high calling of Jesus Christ.
 
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machew

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I sent this to someone who had a question about soul ties and thought it would be helpful to everyone:

Soul ties are when two soul's are knit together in the Spiritual realm. The Bible says that when two people have sex they become one. However, sex isn't the only way to make soul ties. You can do this through a deep friendship whether it's with the opposite sex or not. But sex is an extremely quick way to build a deep soul tie. God intends for soul ties to form in certain relationships in our lives, but we always have the option of building soul ties that God never intended. An example of a good soul tie was the one David and Jonathan in the Bible shared. They were not gay, yet they enjoyed an intimate brotherly relationship that is not often seen even today. They were able to operate off of each others' strengths.

When you have a soul tie you get the positive and the bad things that make up the other person's soul flooding into yours. Unhealthy sexual relations usually happen because of wounds and baggage that drive two people to cope with their hurt by entering a sexual relationship. These are the worst because now both people have to deal with both people's baggage in their life. Each of their baggage is transferred into their own lives as their own baggage. And both people now struggle with things that the Lord never intended for them to struggle with. Sexual sin gives access into your being to someone else. To have sexual relations with someone is to be extremely vulnerable with the person to do whatever they want with your being and your heart. This is why God reserved this kind of intimacy for marriage, when two people are committed fully to each other for life.

The reason why sexual sin hardens your heart is because when the relationship inevitably fails to some extent, both people have given themselves fully to one another before they have fully committed to one another. So when the two separate it is as if you are tearing your soul in half. The extreme emotional pain causes a person to cope with their pain and build defense mechanisms to do so. The only way without God to cope with this is to harden your heart to not allow anyone in, and not allow yourself to trust another person nearly as much with intimacy. Another way people cope with this is to harden their heart, so they can continue to have sexual relations with people without actually letting them into their hearts. This alleviates any guilt they might feel so they can jump from one sexual relationship to another.

So because this creates fear of intimacy, it also affects our relationship with God. It is hard to trust someone(whether God or someone else) to be close when you have been hurt the last time you allowed someone to be close. This is a general synopsis of what happens in peoples' lives who have unhealthy sexual relationships. Some harden their hearts, not allowing people close anymore, and others harden their heart so they can jump from one sexual relationship to another to try to cope with the pain they have in their hearts, and not feel guilty.

Hopefully this helps.

Blessings,

Machew
 
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We all build walls around our hearts. We all try to appear in a way that will be accepted by those around us. God breaks past these walls to open a path of communication that is deeply spiritual. These walls are not broken down at this time, we must work with God to tear them down, to become open and honest with everyone we come into contact with.

So yes, these do harden our hearts, but not towards God, I don't believe, because He has a path into our hearts which is not affected in this way. But we can harden our hearts against Him. That is the unforgivable sin.

I don't mean to disagree with you, and I hope that this helps also.

One who has tasted His mercy for these very sins,
vic
 
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I sent this to someone who had a question about soul ties and thought it would be helpful to everyone:

Soul ties are when two soul's are knit together in the Spiritual realm. The Bible says that when two people have sex they become one. However, sex isn't the only way to make soul ties. You can do this through a deep friendship whether it's with the opposite sex or not. But sex is an extremely quick way to build a deep soul tie. God intends for soul ties to form in certain relationships in our lives, but we always have the option of building soul ties that God never intended. An example of a good soul tie was the one David and Jonathan in the Bible shared. They were not gay, yet they enjoyed an intimate brotherly relationship that is not often seen even today. They were able to operate off of each others' strengths.

When you have a soul tie you get the positive and the bad things that make up the other person's soul flooding into yours. Unhealthy sexual relations usually happen because of wounds and baggage that drive two people to cope with their hurt by entering a sexual relationship. These are the worst because now both people have to deal with both people's baggage in their life. Each of their baggage is transferred into their own lives as their own baggage. And both people now struggle with things that the Lord never intended for them to struggle with. Sexual sin gives access into your being to someone else. To have sexual relations with someone is to be extremely vulnerable with the person to do whatever they want with your being and your heart. This is why God reserved this kind of intimacy for marriage, when two people are committed fully to each other for life.

The reason why sexual sin hardens your heart is because when the relationship inevitably fails to some extent, both people have given themselves fully to one another before they have fully committed to one another. So when the two separate it is as if you are tearing your soul in half. The extreme emotional pain causes a person to cope with their pain and build defense mechanisms to do so. The only way without God to cope with this is to harden your heart to not allow anyone in, and not allow yourself to trust another person nearly as much with intimacy. Another way people cope with this is to harden their heart, so they can continue to have sexual relations with people without actually letting them into their hearts. This alleviates any guilt they might feel so they can jump from one sexual relationship to another.

So because this creates fear of intimacy, it also affects our relationship with God. It is hard to trust someone(whether God or someone else) to be close when you have been hurt the last time you allowed someone to be close. This is a general synopsis of what happens in peoples' lives who have unhealthy sexual relationships. Some harden their hearts, not allowing people close anymore, and others harden their heart so they can jump from one sexual relationship to another to try to cope with the pain they have in their hearts, and not feel guilty.

Hopefully this helps.

Blessings,

Machew
Very Good Post
 
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machew

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We all build walls around our hearts. We all try to appear in a way that will be accepted by those around us. God breaks past these walls to open a path of communication that is deeply spiritual. These walls are not broken down at this time, we must work with God to tear them down, to become open and honest with everyone we come into contact with.

So yes, these do harden our hearts, but not towards God, I don't believe, because He has a path into our hearts which is not affected in this way. But we can harden our hearts against Him. That is the unforgivable sin.

I don't mean to disagree with you, and I hope that this helps also.

One who has tasted His mercy for these very sins,
vic

Our most natural point of reference for intimate relationships is with other people. We often project many things that we do or feel in a human to human relationship to our relationship with God without realizing it. Most of the time this is at a subconscious level so we don't even realize we are doing it.

For example, how your earthly dad related to you greatly effects how you relate to Father God. How your mother related to you greatly effects how you relate to Holy Spirit, and how you relate to those in a romantic or intimate sense will greatly effect how you relate to Jesus.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Blessings,

Machew
 

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Our most natural point of reference for intimate relationships is with other people. We often project many things that we do or feel in a human to human relationship to our relationship with God without realizing it. Most of the time this is at a subconscious level so we don't even realize we are doing it.

For example, how your earthly dad related to you greatly effects how you relate to Father God. How your mother related to you greatly effects how you relate to Holy Spirit, and how you relate to those in a romantic or intimate sense will greatly effect how you relate to Jesus.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Blessings,

Machew
It does make sense, and it is true, but it does not have any effect on limiting how God communicates with us. And as we open to Him, we begin to relate to Him in a new and completely different way, now in Jesus. It is why Jesus came, to make possible this communication.

No matter how we see ourselves, God sees us in Jesus, thank God. What happens in our relationships with other people, there is never completely open communication. One may be completely open, but the other will not. I have come to believe that this is one of the results of the fall, of sin. (Believe me, I have tried, over and over.) But in our relationship with God, because it is facilitated through Jesus, is totally and completely open and honest, without any fear of condemnation, nor even any fear of loss of love from either side. God promises us that nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God. Nothing. We may not be ready to open up with Him, but He is ready for us to be open. There is nothing in this life or the next that is more freeing of our heart, our soul, our spirit.

I say this because of what happened to me. I was a bible believing christian, and I was in 2 adulterous relationships, at the same time. One cannot live in this situation without living a complete and total deceptive life, one where the truth is never even looked at, much less stated or related. God opened up my eyes, saved me from myself, from my lies, and received me completely and without condemnation. (Understand, I was professing to believe in Jesus while this was going on. He had every reason to burn me to a cinder. I ruined the witness of God to many people because of my sin. I cannot say just how horrible my life was.) But He loved me, received me, without condemnation. Because of Jesus.

And so I say now,
In His love,
vic
 

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I have to add that the way that He received me in His love, in Jesus, was by the cross. Not just the blood and the forgiveness that Jesus gained for me there, because that made possible God communicating with me, and me with Him. No, it was by my crucifixion in Jesus. I have been crucified with Christ, in Jesus, nevertheless I live, but not I, rather Jesus who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God. Freedom in Jesus.
 
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I came back to the Lord. I was backslidden, from fornication. I know its a tough deal, I hate i went to the Navy. But i mean, i feel this pain in my chest, and i cant feel the holy spirit like i did before. Sometimes i think i feel it, but my body is so weak for some reason, like the body, affects the way we feel the spirit too. I dont know if it is from punishment or what? But did he harden my heart or something? I dont feel his joy like before.. and i been praying, and goin back to church for like 1 month or almost 2. Maybe i just went to far.. and this is permenant.

I dont want to give up hope. Something wont let me go back into my sins, and just say forget it.. becuase there is this What if in the back of my mind, playing over and over agian.. telling me to run to him, and it doesnt stop. Ive only been christian 3 years, so this is buggin me out. I cant sin, but when i go to him I doubt. Freaking WAR in my MIND.
I was where you are last year. I understand how huge and painful the guilt is. Have you truly repented of what you did? If you still feel 'heavy' then youve probably got some more stuff to get off your chest to the Lord. Confess everything. Not just the sex. Sex is a sin before marriage but look at the source. Was it idolatry? Coveting? Selfishness? Find someone to pray with you and be your accountability partner. Pray over yourself because you are definitely being spiritually attacked. And start reading the bible like its your daily meal. Sever ties with things and people who make you want to sin in this way. You need to just focus on your relationship with God right now.

Other than that - well done!! What youve done was incredibaly hard. You'll get there :)
 
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Hang in there God loves you very much! You've asked forgiveness and now forgive yourself. The devil is a liar. God loves you even when you don't feel him all the time. Know that OK. You'll feel him again. Read your bible and pray. Go to church. God bless you!
 

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I came back to the Lord. I was backslidden, from fornication. I know its a tough deal, I hate i went to the Navy. But i mean, i feel this pain in my chest, and i cant feel the holy spirit like i did before. Sometimes i think i feel it, but my body is so weak for some reason, like the body, affects the way we feel the spirit too. I dont know if it is from punishment or what? But did he harden my heart or something? I dont feel his joy like before.. and i been praying, and goin back to church for like 1 month or almost 2. Maybe i just went to far.. and this is permenant.

I dont want to give up hope. Something wont let me go back into my sins, and just say forget it.. becuase there is this What if in the back of my mind, playing over and over agian.. telling me to run to him, and it doesnt stop. Ive only been christian 3 years, so this is buggin me out. I cant sin, but when i go to him I doubt. Freaking WAR in my MIND.
I was thinking about you in Jesus when this thought came to me.
Sometimes when we have done things that that were wrong or wandered it is not God that has hardened our heart, but ourself.
Because of what was done, one can believe that they do not deserve the love of Jesus, thus one wil harden their own heartbelieving that any good word or show of love from Jesus cannot really be for ones self. Believing that they do not deserve His love.
You need to release the guilt and belief that you are not worthy of the love of Jesus.
Do not worry that he will reject you, he will not.
His love is so great that you will be filled beyond your every hope in Him.
Jesus often shows another His love for the one in pain, because the one in pain is afraid they do not deserve his love. :)
In Jesus, God bless. pickles
 

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I was thinking about you in Jesus when this thought came to me.
Sometimes when we have done things that that were wrong or wandered it is not God that has hardened our heart, but ourself.
Because of what was done, one can believe that they do not deserve the love of Jesus, thus one wil harden their own heartbelieving that any good word or show of love from Jesus cannot really be for ones self. Believing that they do not deserve His love.
You need to release the guilt and belief that you are not worthy of the love of Jesus.
Do not worry that he will reject you, he will not.
His love is so great that you will be filled beyond your every hope in Him.
Jesus often shows another His love for the one in pain, because the one in pain is afraid they do not deserve his love. :)
In Jesus, God bless. pickles
Amen Pickles,

Jesus even bore our shame, being made an open shame for us.

And I would like to say here that God would not harden the heart of His children. How He opens our eyes is a matter of His will and His timing, to bring us to the place of resting in the finished work of Jesus. Some of us are harder to get there than other.

None of us deserve His love. He gives His love freely to each of us individually, without measure.

Bless you sister,
vic
 
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I will not. will not, will not leave you says the Lord.