Did He, Or Didn't He?

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Budman

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The only reason why you and others are using this idea Judaizer which is linked to being a full Jew to be a christian is you cannot face the principle of walking in righteousness and purity.

Walking in the Kingdom is a gift of God, but we are to walk in purity empowered by the Spirit.
What is difficult to understand at any level is how Paul who encourages Timothy to live a life of purity, is something you are denying.
Wrong.

What I'm denying is the fact you believe if one doesn't live a certain way, they'll lose their salvation. You mix Law (works) with grace. Which indeed makes you a modern day Judaizer.


If you condemn good behaviour you have crossed over.

Show me where I've condemned good behavior, please.

Good things are good things from one side of eternity to the other.
And once again, good works have nothing to do with receiving or retaining the free gift of salvation.
 
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Wrong.

What I'm denying is the fact you believe if one doesn't live a certain way, they'll lose their salvation. You mix Law (works) with grace. Which indeed makes you a modern day Judaizer.
This is an interesting point because in part it is true. If you claim to have come to faith yet your life does not change and it has no effect on you individually, I doubt as a believer you have understood what you claim.

I think there is another layer of spiritual realilty here. When Jesus touches our lives, it is just a seed. We respond in joy and praise but it needs to work through who we are and how we behave. Now this will take time, and often we will stumble about and be lost as to which way to go or what to do. What keeps us on track is faith. It covers a multitude of failures and sins. If we continue in sin, our faith will slowly wither and die, and its significance become nothing.

Without faith it has all got lost. Now that is my belief.

Now I am glad to hear you do not condemn good behaviour. Some here have done that. They refuse to acknowledge good actions exist and are to be encouraged for everyone. Good actions are often a stepping stone to coming to faith, the realisation selfishness should not rule, but meeting needs and showing love. Jesus is the ultimate source of the power to continue in this, which is sometimes a problem for people to accept, but that is where faith comes in.
 
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Unfortunately too many people think God is impressed with the deeds they have done. But their deeds even if by human standards are "good" they are done in the power of the sin nature.
True,because when we do good,and live for God,by the Holy Spirit,all our actions should be based on wanting to do good,for the sake of loving to do good,and to give no glory to our self.

In the world all they do is to exalt them self,so while it is good that they do good,in the way of helping people,they will want glory for it,because who are they fooling to think they do not,when they can never have enough money,so they like to exalt them self by their money,so they will want to exalt them self by helping people.

My friend said Oprah Winfrey is a kind person,that she will help a person standing on the street corner by giving them money,but I said,what about the guy across the street standing on the corner,why does she not help him,when she has a lot of money,and that is she loves money not people,to exalt her self,and give in a very minor way to exalt her self,but not too much,because she loves her money to exalt her self.

The Pharisees would do things in the open,to try to convince people that they were someone special for living for God,exalting them self,but Jesus said they have their reward.

A person addressed Jesus as a man,and not His deity,and called Him good master,which Jesus replied,why do you call me good,there is only one that is good,and that is God.

The world while they do good things will want credit and recognition for it,and for people to think they are special,and in the world it would be rare for them to not want glory,but if they do not,they will most likely come to God.