Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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DevotiontoBible said:
For the umpteenth time, I never claimed Jesus committed a sin.
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I don't anyone said you did what you have said is Jesus has the sinful nature ; that is not correct .
 
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preston39 said:
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Stand by..... I fear it will get worse.
Since ...oh...1960's ...many new interpretations have been forthcoming of scriptures. All designed to change and remove the intent of G-d's word. We are reminded..."tickle my ears and tell me what I want to hear".... became in vogue and is alive and well now.

We see it here, in our churches and in individual assertions during discussions.
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So tell me how does Jesus being like us IN EVERY WAY Heb 2:17, with OUR SIN NATURE Rom 8:3, and tempted IN EVERY WAY AS WE ARE Heb 4:15, tickle any ears?
 
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CS1 said:
I don't anyone said you did what you have said is Jesus has the sinful nature ; that is not correct .
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What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT
 
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It is impossible to do what God’s standards demand because of the weakness our human nature has. But God sent his Son to have a human nature as sinners have and to pay for sin. That way God condemned sin in our corrupt nature.
Romans 8:3 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/rom.8.3.GW
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT
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nope that is not what the bible says He came in the likeness of sinful man yet HE had no sin. it's very simple you error . IF Jesus had the sinful nature HE could not be the Holy Sacrifice God requires . And Because there was none God step in and became what we needed Because HE is the Only One who could.
 
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The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT
 
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CS1 said:
nope that is not what the bible says He came in the likeness of sinful man yet HE had no sin. it's very simple you error . IF Jesus had the sinful nature HE could not be the Holy Sacrifice God requires . And Because there was none God step in and became what we needed Because HE is the Only One who could.
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Likeness there means Jesus was just like us in every way Heb 2:17.
 
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The Law was never able to save it was given to show us our Need for God . By the Law we all are guilty BUT not Jesus :)
 
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NO it means what it says without sin .
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I agree, Jesus never sinned. "Without sin" means Jesus never sinned. I have never claimed Jesus sinned:
This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.4.15.NLT
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
I agree, Jesus never sinned. "Without sin" means Jesus never sinned. I have never claimed Jesus sinned:
This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.4.15.NLT
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Of course Jesus never sinned without sin also means had no sin , could not sin , would not sin. Why? because HE did not have the sinful nature Jesus has Devine nature because HE is God . With this line of thinking you do not Believe Jesus is God correct?
 
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Of course Jesus never sinned without sin also means had no sin , could not sin , would not sin. Why? because HE did not have the sinful nature Jesus has Devine nature because HE is God . With this line of thinking you do not Believe Jesus is God correct?
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You don't believe Jesus was the son of man correct?
 
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CS1 said:
Of course Jesus never sinned without sin also means had no sin , could not sin , would not sin. Why? because HE did not have the sinful nature Jesus has Devine nature because HE is God . With this line of thinking you do not Believe Jesus is God correct?
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I think too if we reflect on what sin is defined as then it becomes much easier to see how the claim Jesus had a sin nature is impossible. The argument that he had a sin nature comes full circle in defeating its own proclamation due to the definition of sin.
If Jesus had a sin nature he would have sinned because he was fully human. If it is argued then that Jesus was fully human with a sin nature but chose not to sin then that would mean we too could accomplish the same. Being he was as has been said in this thread, one of us. Or, one like unto us. And that would then have made his birth purpose moot.
If Jesus was divine he could not sin because divinity precludes unrighteousness.
 
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CS1 said:
Of course Jesus never sinned without sin also means had no sin , could not sin , would not sin. Why? because HE did not have the sinful nature Jesus has Devine nature because HE is God . With this line of thinking you do not Believe Jesus is God correct?
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If Jesus "could not sin", then he wasn't really tempted, the temptations were all a show. Meaningless.
 
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I think too if we reflect on what sin is defined as then it becomes much easier to see how the claim Jesus had a sin nature is impossible. The argument that he had a sin nature comes full circle in defeating its own proclamation due to the definition of sin.
If Jesus had a sin nature he would have sinned because he was fully human. If it is argued then that Jesus was fully human with a sin nature but chose not to sin then that would mean we too could accomplish the same. Being he was as has been said in this thread, one of us. Or, one like unto us. And that would then have made his birth purpose moot.
If Jesus was divine he could not sin because divinity precludes unrighteousness.
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OstrichSmiling said:
I think too if we reflect on what sin is defined as then it becomes much easier to see how the claim Jesus had a sin nature is impossible. The argument that he had a sin nature comes full circle in defeating its own proclamation due to the definition of sin.
If Jesus had a sin nature he would have sinned because he was fully human. If it is argued then that Jesus was fully human with a sin nature but chose not to sin then that would mean we too could accomplish the same. Being he was as has been said in this thread, one of us. Or, one like unto us. And that would then have made his birth purpose moot.
If Jesus was divine he could not sin because divinity precludes unrighteousness.
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A sin nature means you will sin except if you are the God man with the hypostatic union. Jesus made a way so we don't have to give into it anymore:
He personally carried our sins in his body on the cross so that we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you are healed.
1 Peter 2:24 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1pe.2.24.NLT
 
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I understand that. What mr. Millard might want to consider is what Jesus gave UP to become flesh. When we understand that Jesus
will for eternality have that Body. This is what Jesus gave up HIS Omni-Presence because of the body HE willfully took on in the Likeness of sinful man. HE did not have unlimited Power, Knowing, and Authority . HE gave up for US so HE could be like us for ever without sin AS HE desires us to be AND Made it Possible In HIM.


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Jesus was given all power. He had legions of Good Angels at his disposal.
He could make the blind see. The lame walk. The dead rise. What are you talking about?

this is were you and I started .

My point Here had to do with the willful limitation of Christ .
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I know where we started. And I am not going to go into all over.
But you again said Jesus power is limited. And it is not. You say
in one post it is and in another it is not. I cant understand you. Sorry.
 
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shrume said:
If Jesus "could not sin", then he wasn't really tempted, the temptations were all a show. Meaningless.
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He could sin, technically.

He cold not sin, practically, because He was the Son of God.

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh
R 8:3
 
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