Did Jesus said I'm God or worship me?

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May 23, 2010
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Father, Son, and Holy Ghost: each play a role in the Trinity. We must not confuse the Persons of the Trinity.

While the word Trinity does not occur there, the concept is clearly taught in the Bible. The logic of the doctrine of the Trinity is simple. Two biblical truths are evident in Scripture, the logical conclusion of which is the Trinity: 1. There is one God. 2. There are three distinct persons who are God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

That the three members of the Trinity are distinct persons is clear in that each is mentioned in distinction form the others. The Son prayed to the Father (cf. John 17 ). The Father spoke from heaven about the Son at his baptism ( Matt. 3:15–17 ). Indeed, the Holy Spirit was present at the same time, revealing that they coexist. Further, the fact that they have separate titles (Father, Son, and Spirit) indicate they are not one person. Also, each member of the Trinity has special functions that help us to identify them. For example, the Father planned salvation ( John 3:16 ; Eph. 1:4 ); the Son accomplished it on the cross ( John 17:4 ; 19:30 ; Heb. 1:1–2 ) and at the resurrection ( Rom. 4:25 ; 1 Cor. 15:1–6 ), and the Holy Spirit applies it to the lives of the believers ( John 3:5 ; Eph. 4:30 ; Titus 3:5–7 ). The Son submits to the Father ( 1 Cor. 11:3 ; 15:28 ), and the Holy Spirit glorifies the Son ( John 16:14 ).

The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry has a page titled 'Who do we pray to, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit?' at: Who do we pray to, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry



I wonder if there is "Trinity" word in the bible.
 
May 23, 2010
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There is not, but God often speaks of Himself in the plural in the scriptures.

i don't think God want us to be confuse like that. i wonder who made the confusion....
 
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i don't think God want us to be confuse like that. i wonder who made the confusion....
if you knew any arabic you would know how plurality is shown for masculine nouns in semitic languages

the first time the word translated God appears in the Bible it is in the masculine plural

ElohIM

The problem with allah, is that since he is only one, he does not know how to enjoy fellowship - or to love
 
May 23, 2010
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if you knew any arabic you would know how plurality is shown for masculine nouns in semitic languages

the first time the word translated God appears in the Bible it is in the masculine plural

ElohIM

The problem with allah, is that since he is only one, he does not know how to enjoy fellowship - or to love

U think God is like human that need a companion in order to understand love or fellowship or he need to come to earth to understand human. if that so, your God is weak.

God is the most Knowledge, he is the creator. he know everything.
 

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i don't think God want us to be confuse like that. i wonder who made the confusion....
I am not confused, are you?

I know that God is not confused.
 
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U think God is like human that need a companion in order to understand love or fellowship or he need to come to earth to understand human. if that so, your God is weak.

God is the most Knowledge, he is the creator. he know everything.
Fellowship transcends humanity. And it is not a matter of need, it is an eternal counity, a compound unity from all eternity.
God did not become a man in order to fellowship with us. He became a man so that we could have fellowship with Him.
 
Jan 19, 2010
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your reading the Bible like a cult does, using eisegesis, you come at it with a notion that your trying to prove. You can't honestly tell me that after reading the Bible, that you come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is not God, sorry
 
Dec 19, 2009
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I wish to offend no-one with what I now comment. But on another Christian website two people told me that there is no true Christianity unless we say that Jesus is God Himself.

So I have a sincere question. If true Christianity depends on us believing that Christ is God , then why is the NT not continuously, plainly and simply filled with the words. 'Jesus is God'? Most believe that it is implied many times that Christ is God, but that is not the same thing. If this is a basis for true Christianity then surely those plain three words would many, many times be written. Jesus is God. So there could be no misunderstanding at all

I know nothjing of any other religions sacred books, but I find it hard to believe that if a belief was fundamental to follow to have a true religion then their sacred book would make it continually and categorically plain

In the NT Christ in direct references to this says

That they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John17:3

The Father is greater than all. John10:29

The Father is greater than I John14:28

Paul says

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father from whom all things came and for whom we live and one Lord Jesus Christ. 1Cor8:5&6

I could add many more scriptures to this, but will not at this time. I accept that others can point to scriptures that they believe says that Christ is God Himself.

But my point is this. If this is a basis for true Christianity have we a cryptic Bible for something that is a core belief? Has the Bible failed to make crystal clear something that is vital for true Christianity?

I always believed that if we accept that Christ is the eternal Son of God and that by repenting of our sin and asking him into our lives as Lord and Saviour, we are saved. But if true Christianity depends on us believing Christ is God, how can this any longer be true?

Nearly all the scriptures of the NT state that Christi s the Son of God. To me I cannot therefore understand that for true Christianity we must say Christi s God. To me the Bible is the most sacred book of all, I cherish it above all other, but if this is an issue cof true Christianity, I would be left with no option but to question why csuch a fundamental ly important issue was not utterly resolved in its pages

One final thought. The Jews had all of the OT scriptures, but were not expecting God to come as their Messiah

I believe that Christ is the eternal Son of God. God created the universe through Christ. Christ is the divine Son of God and God's Spirit resides in him. But I do believe the Father is the only true God, and greater than Christ, because the Bible I hold so dear says so
 
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U think God is like human that need a companion in order to understand love or fellowship or he need to come to earth to understand human. if that so, your God is weak.

God is the most Knowledge, he is the creator. he know everything.

How many times do you find the word Love in the Q'ran

I defy you to give me ONE reference
 
Mar 11, 2009
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Where Jesus says "I am God" or "Worship Me" in Bible?


The Christians could only claim that Jesus called himself the son of God. Never ever once did he claim Blatantly that he is God.

In the language of the Jew, every righteous person who followed the Will of God, was a Son of God. It was a metaphorical descriptive term. Look at the following verses :

"....Adam, which was the Son of God" - Luke 3:38

"And when the Sons of God came in unto the daugthters of men, and they bare children to them..." - Genesis 6: 4

"....Israel is My Son, even my firstborn" - Exodus 4:22

"...for I (God) am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is my Firstborn" - Jeremiah 31:9

"...the Lord hath saith unto me, (David) Thou art My Son: this day have I Begotten thee" - Psalm 2:7

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God" - 1 Romans 8:14

One can see from the above verses that God has sons by the tons.

Christians cant even claim that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son cos if you look above at Psalms 2:7, David is also mentioned as Begotten.

If Jesus was truly God himself, there was no need for him to beat around the bush. He has always said that the only way to God is through him. Isn't it the same for the prophets who came before him? Through Abraham, Isaac, David, Joseph, Jacob, Moses people worshipped the one and only God. It was through them that the One Almighty God was known.

It is the same with Jesus. His mission was the same as of the other prophets before him. So why not listen to Jesus' teachings? Why are you giving more weightage to Paul/Saul
He did not say he was God light,but it does say in psalm that ye are Gods,to whom the word of God comes.

Yo know like when God says in exodus to moses that he will be a God unto pharo and his brother would be his profet.

Do you not believe what isaiah wrote?Or where moses wrote of Jesus do you believe that ?I see they banned ya but if you want wizdom in the world email me at [email protected]


Love a friend in God
 
May 18, 2010
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How many times do you find the word Love in the Qu'ran

I defy you to give me ONE reference
From the Quran:


"O you who believe .. Allah has made you love the Faith,and made it so beautiful in your hearts,and has made you hate disbelief,immorality and rebelliousness.These are the righteous.'' (49:6-8)

"They (the disbelievers) love this worldly life more than the Hereafter" (16:107)

... if you want MORE just ask, you'll be served

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From the Hadiths:

"Allah Almighty said: If My servant loves to meet Me, I love to meet him, and if he hates to meet Me, I hate to meet him." (narrated by Bukhari)

"Allah loves kindness when you deal with any matter" (narrated by Bukhari and Muslim)

"You will not enter Paradise until you have faith and you will not have faith until you love one another. Do you want me to tell you something you can do to make you love one another? Make it a habit to greet one another with "Asalamu Alaykum" - Peace be upon you". (narrated by Muslim)

"Give gifts to each other, as this will make you love one another." (narrated by Muslim)

"The most loved person by Allah Almighty on the Day of Judgement and nearest to Him is a just ruler. And the most hated person by Allah Almighty on the Day of Judgement and farthest from Him is an unjust ruler." (narrated by Tirmizi)


Allah would say on the Day of Judgement:
"Where are those who love each other for the sake of My glory? Today I will shelter them with My shade, as there is no shade today except My shade"." (narrated by Muslim)

"Allah Almighty said: "My servant draws near to Me with nothing more loved by Me than the acts of worship that I have enjoined upon him. My servant continues to try to draw near to Me with more devotion, until I love him. When I love him, I will be his hearing with which he hears, his sight by which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, his feet on which he walks. When he asks Me for something, I will respond and when he takes refuge in Me, I will grant it to him. I do not hesitate in doing anything I intend to do as much as I hesitate in seizing the soul of My faithful servant; he hates death and I hate hurting him. But death is a must for him"." (narrated by Bukhari)

"If Allah would love his servant He would call Archangel Gabriel and tell him "I love this person, therefore love him." And Jibraeel would love him and call out in the heavens "Allah loves this person, therefore love him." And the inhabitants of the heavens would love him. Then he would be embraced by the people of this world. But if Allah would abhor his servant, He would call Jibraeel and tell him "I abhor this person, therefore abhor him". And Jibraeel would abhor him and call out in the heavens " Allah abhors this person, therefore abhor him." And the inhabitants of the heavens would abhor him. Then he would be abhorred by the people of this world." (narrated by Muslim)
 
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I wonder if there is "Trinity" word in the bible.
No it's not. Neither are atheism, divinity, incarnation, monotheism, or rapture. Yet the Bible certainly teaches that some will not believe (e.g. atheists), that Jesus is divine, that there was an incarnation, that some follow monotheism, and there will be a rapture.

Consider:

Atheism is the teaching that there is no God. "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1).
Divinity which means divine quality or godlike character. Yet, we speak of the godlike quality of the Lord God. See Psalm 139.
Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14).
Monotheism is the teaching that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:8).
Rapture is the teaching that the Christians who are alive when Jesus returns will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-18).

This is but a brief example of words not actually in the Bible that represents teachings taught in the Bible. The triune relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one of those clear teachings.