Did the Holy Spirit Literally descend on Jesus in bodily form at his Baptism

[phil36]

Well John lived with Christ for three years when he walked this earth, what did he say?

No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12

So is John in idolatry too

Paul said

When it says that everything has been put under him IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF who put everything under Christ Is Paul also in idolatry?

1 cor 15 has been explained to, and Red also explained to you, but your eyes are closed.

Concerning 1 John 4:12. You see again this is the danger of hand picking verses to try and prove a false hood.

Read John 1:18.

No one has seen the Father - that is, in a full and complete way (6:46), but some people did see partial revelations of God in the OT, to see God in Christ would be far better (see 14:6), some ancient manuscripts say ' the only son', but actually the earliest say 'only God' (using the same 'only' as in 1:14 meaning unique, one of a kind. John refers to two different persons here as God as he did in verse 1,Jesus is God and he has revealed and explained God to humanity. (ESV)

You see LBG you cannot hand pick a verse here and a verse there, and then use that to back up your claims, well, infact you can all heresies and heretical cults do that, as you do.

What does all of scripture say on a given topic.??

Remember LBG, Your are to have no other god's beside God...... God's says one thing.. you on the other hand say something else.

 

[zone]

When Christ was asked a question and he was addressed as good teacher, what did he say?
Why do you call me good, no-one is good but GOD ALONE

OH MY.

that is ripped from context and used to downgrade Jesus to a created entity?

horrible.

that passage is part of a series of parables and events that involved ISRAEL, and their acceptance or rejection of Jesus AS THE I AM!

it means the OPPOSITE of what you claim!

The Rich Ruler
18 And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’” 21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.” 22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 23 But when he heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24 Jesus, seeing that he had become sad, said, “How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27 But he said, “What is impossible with men is possible with God.” 28 And Peter said, “See, we have left our homes and followed you.” 29 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothersb or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30 who will not receive many times more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life.”


~ this guy didn't know who Jesus was!

he claimed he had kept the law his whole life, LBG....he had Jesus right there and didn't know Him!

why do you think Jesus answered him that way? your twisting to make it seem that Jesus deflected the titled Good Teacher because He didn't deserve it the title is sad.

Jesus met the man squarely on that ground alone: you know the commandments, then! KEEP THEM for eternal life (not possible) OR give all that up and COME AND FOLLOW ME.

 

[livingbygrace]

1 cor 15 has been explained to, and Red also explained to you, but your eyes are closed.

Concerning 1 John 4:12. You see again this is the danger of hand picking verses to try and prove a false hood.

Read John 1:18.

No one has seen the Father - that is, in a full and complete way (6:46), but some people did see partial revelations of God in the OT, to see God in Christ would be far better (see 14:6), some ancient manuscripts say ' the only son', but actually the earliest say 'only God' (using the same 'only' as in 1:14 meaning unique, one of a kind. John refers to two different persons here as God as he did in verse 1,Jesus is God and he has revealed and explained God to humanity. (ESV)

You see LBG you cannot hand pick a verse here and a verse there, and then use that to back up your claims, well, infact you can all heresies and heretical cults do that, as you do.

What does all of scripture say on a given topic.??

Remember LBG, Your are to have no other god's beside God...... God's says one thing.. you on the other hand say something else.

I didn't expect an answer to the questions anyway

But Phil

Please explain to me why Trinitarian churches do not preach from the Pulpit the basis of the Christian faith(according to you)

I went to Trinitarian chiurches for thirty years and never once heard it preached that Christ is God Himself and unless we believe that we can have no eternal life

It isn't verey good is it, not informning people plainly in these churches of something on which (if you are righht)eternal life hinges AND THAT INCLUDED BAPTIST CHURCHES, PLEASE EXPLAIN

 

[livingbygrace]

OH MY.

that is ripped from context and used to downgrade Jesus to a created entity?

horrible.

that passage is part of a series of parables and events that involved ISRAEL, and their acceptance or rejection of Jesus AS THE I AM!

it means the OPPOSITE of what you claim!

The Rich Ruler
18 And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’” 21 And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.” 22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 23 But when he heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24 Jesus, seeing that he had become sad, said, “How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27 But he said, “What is impossible with men is possible with God.” 28 And Peter said, “See, we have left our homes and followed you.” 29 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothersb or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30 who will not receive many times more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life.”


~ this guy didn't know who Jesus was!

he claimed he had kept the law his whole life, LBG....he had Jesus right there and didn't know Him!

why do you think Jesus answered him that way? your twisting to make it seem that Jesus deflected the titled Good Teacher because He didn't deserve it the title is sad.

Jesus met the man squarely on that ground alone: you know the commandments, then! KEEP THEM for eternal life (not possible) OR give all that up and COME AND FOLLOW ME.

Zone

As you decided not to answer some questions I put to you, after firstly saying you would you agreed not to discuss this subject with me anymlore

I grow weary of people asking me questions but ducking answering the questions I then put to them

As you obviously do not wish to discuss this subject with me in relation to answering questions put to you, please do not respond to any others, if you do I will simply place all my questions before you again AND EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER THEM

BTW your exegesis is again personal opinion, not backed up by the plain words Christ spoke

 

[phil36]

I didn't expect an answer to the questions anyway

But Phil

Please explain to me why Trinitarian churches do not preach from the Pulpit the basis of the Christian faith(according to you)

I went to Trinitarian chiurches for thirty years and never once heard it preached that Christ is God Himself and unless we believe that we can have no eternal life

It isn't verey good is it, not informning people plainly in these churches of something on which (if you are righht)eternal life hinges AND THAT INCLUDED BAPTIST CHURCHES, PLEASE EXPLAIN

well, I can't speak for them all, but mine does. Now remember LBG, there are app 52 sundays a year, they can't all be about and focused directly on the teaching of the Trinity, yet all sermons will be based on the foundation of the triune God.

Now you have suggested you sat in a church for 30 years and never heard it, well, that is a subjective statement I cannot say either your right or wrong, but I can only assume your ears where closed.

 

[livingbygrace]

well, I can't speak for them all, but mine does. Now remember LBG, there are app 52 sundays a year, they can't all be about and focused directly on the teaching of the Trinity, yet all sermons will be based on the foundation of the triune God.

Now you have suggested you sat in a church for 30 years and never heard it, well, that is a subjective statement I cannot say either your right or wrong, but I can only assume your ears where closed.

Any chance of me getting hold of a sermon from your church where it clearly states that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life?
Only I have never heard that preacherd in a Baptist church before

And as I have told you already. My nephew is now an ordained Baptist minister, when I told him a Baptist on cc was saying that anyone who would not believe Christ was God himself and simply saw him as the son of God was condemned a heretic and could have no eternal life, he simply shook his head in bewilderment a wry smile on his face

So obviously his church does not preach WHAT YOU SAY YOURS DOES

My ears were not closed, I am telling you the truth, I would certainly have remembered if such a thing were preached
I do not need to tell untruths Phil, I leave that to others

 

[zone]

Zone

As you decided not to answer some questions I put to you, after firstly saying you would you agreed not to discuss this subject with me anymlore

I grow weary of people asking me questions but ducking answering the questions I then put to them

As you obviously do not wish to discuss this subject with me in relation to answering questions put to you, please do not respond to any others, if you do I will simply place all my questions before you again AND EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER THEM

BTW your exegesis is again personal opinion, not backed up by the plain words Christ spoke

ok LBG.
no discussion directly on any subject then if that's your wish.

GENERAL REPLY:

reading "the plain words Christ spoke"according to Arianism means Jesus refused the title GOOD because only God is Good.

ergo: "Jesus is not God", AND "Jesus is not GOOD".

 

[phil36]

Any chance of me getting hold of a sermon from your church where it clearly states that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life?
Only I have never heard that preacherd in a Baptist church before

And as I have told you already. My nephew is now an ordained Baptist minister, when I told him a Baptist on cc was saying that anyone who would not believe Christ was God himself and simply saw him as the son of God was condemned a heretic and could have no eternal life, he simply shook his head in bewilderment a wry smile on his face

So obviously his church does not preach WHAT YOU SAY YOURS DOES

My ears were not closed, I am telling you the truth, I would certainly have remembered if such a thing were preached
I do not need to tell untruths Phil, I leave that to others

Again, you say you have a Nephew who is a baptist minister, again this is a subjective statement to try and give your belief credibility.

I must admit it would be very interesting to hear your Nephews thoughts on the subject, and wetehr or not he believes that you can be saved and deny Jesus is God? very interesting indeed, I know quite a few people in the Baptist union and the FIEC, maybe you get your nephew to contact them and an open debate can be had with the union or FIEC?

 

[livingbygrace]

Again, you say you have a Nephew who is a baptist minister, again this is a subjective statement to try and give your belief credibility.

I must admit it would be very interesting to hear your Nephews thoughts on the subject, and wetehr or not he believes that you can be saved and deny Jesus is God? very interesting indeed, I know quite a few people in the Baptist union and the FIEC, maybe you get your nephew to contact them and an open debate can be had with the union or FIEC?

Oh my nephew himself sees Christ as God, his mother and I believe Christ is simply the son of God

But you see he stands on SCRIPTURE as to the required belief for eternal life so sees no problem with his mother or I simply believing Christ is the son of God

Any chance of getting me a sermon from a Baptist church where it is clearly said that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they cannot have eternal life, they are a heretic and are condemned. A belief that Christ is simply the son of God is not enough to have eternal life

I could download it from the internet if you can provide the churches website

 

[Scotth1960]

Oh my nephew himself sees Christ as God, his mother and I believe Christ is simply the son of God

But you see he stands on SCRIPTURE as to the required belief for eternal life so sees no problem with his mother or I simply believing Christ is the son of God

Any chance of getting me a sermon from a Baptist church where it is clearly said that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they cannot have eternal life and are condemned

I could download it from the internet if you can provide the churches website

Christ is both the Son of God and God the Son. There are Three Persons in One God:
God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Yet there are not three gods, but one God. One God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
That is what Scripture teaches. Outside of true definitions of biblical doctrines is heterodoxy; going according to the Holy Scriptures in the life of the Church, Holy Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15) is Orthodoxy. Christ founded His Church to remain on earth until His second coming. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

[phil36]

Oh my nephew himself sees Christ as God, his mother and I believe Christ is simply the son of God

But you see he stands on SCRIPTURE as to the required belief for eternal life so sees no problem with his mother or I simply believing Christ is the son of God

Any chance of getting me a sermon from a Baptist church where it is clearly said that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they cannot have eternal life, they are a heretic and are condemned

I could download it from the internet if you can provide the churches website

I tell you what would better LBG.

You are the one making the allegations that the Godhead is not taught, why don't you give the proof. I have already told you that the preacher only has 52 weeks he's not going to preach the same every sunday, But, EVERYTHING he will preach will be soundly based on the triune God.

Now you believe you can be a christian and deny that Christ is God, thats upto you! But, it is not the truth of Scripture, you keep saying no one has answered your questions about the hand picked verses you have shown, but they have. in fact I think I have answered all your questions on scripture between all the different threads where you deny Jesus is God. But if you are unwilling to believe this then no Christian fellowship should have anything to do with you, while you profess to be a Christian, and deny Jesus is God. This is Idolatry and blasphemous!

Now the burden of proof lies with you not me about churches for your are the one who claims to have sat ina church for 30 years and not heard the God head being taught.

Now please prove that, and not just baptist all evangelical churches who believe the truth of scripture. (Best wishes in trying to prove that LBG)

You stated it, now prove your claims.

P>S, is your Nephew a presiding Baptist Ministers and agrees that it is Ok to say you are a christian and deny Jesus> can you back this up with proof, why dont you get him to send an email/letter to the baptist union or FIEC it would be interesting to see how many would agree????????

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

As I have said before Red, when you posted this to me on another thread.

BTW

As you know I have read this already whenv you put it up on another threrad, why are you posting it here again now? For my benefit, or do you think others may be impressed by it?

But anyway. As you cannot answer any questions put to you on this subject and can only put questions to others and then run when scripture is put before you I don't believe your words carry any weight

You clearly have no confidence in your asertions on this subject or much Biblical knowledge on it, else you would have the knowledge and confidence to reply to the simple questions repeatedly put to you

But maybe you can tell me Red

Why do Trinitarian churches not plainly preach from the Pulpit that Christ is God Himself and if a person does not believe this they can have no eternal life

I went to Trinitarian churches for thirty years in England and I never once heard it preached, is it different in the US?

It is strange they do not plainly preach something on which eternal life hinges, don't you think?

In all fairness, I spent many years in inter- and intra- denominational ministries with a large cross-section of Trinitarian churches. I've never encountered a Trinitarian church that didn't profess the full Deity of Christ, even though it's seldom a central single sermon topic. It's merely assented to and declared without much if any teaching.

 

[livingbygrace]

I tell you what would better LBG.

You are the one making the allegations that the Godhead is not taught, why don't you give the proof. I have already told you that the preacher only has 52 weeks he's not going to preach the same every sunday, But, EVERYTHING he will preach will be soundly based on the triune God.


You aren't having a problem here are you Phil providing me with a church that I can visit on the web and download a relevant sermon from are you? You said you know members of a Baptist organisation, surely they can put you in the direction of a Baptist church that I can download a sermon from concerning this subject. We have FOUR Baptist churches in the town I live in alone. Surely you must be able to find out about one at least where I can download the following statements from in a sermon
If you do not believe Christ is God Himself you are condemned, a heretic and can have no eternal life
A belief that Christ is simply the son of God and not God Himself means you are a heretic, condemned and have no eternal life
This is after all(you believe) the basis of the Christian faith it should be easy to provide the link to a sermon concerning the basis of the Christian faith surely

Now you believe you can be a christian and deny that Christ is God, thats upto you! But, it is not the truth of Scripture, you keep saying no one has answered your questions about the hand picked verses you have shown, but they have. in fact I think I have answered all your questions on scripture between all the different threads where you deny Jesus is God.


This is a COMPLETELY untruthful statement as well you know. It seems many of you Trinitarians are not beyond fibbing(I shall put it politely) when you want to. So much for Christian morals


But if you are unwilling to believe this then no Christian fellowship should have anything to do with you, while you profess to be a Christian, and deny Jesus is God. This is Idolatry and blasphemous!


Well as I have never heard a sermon on the above written belief I cannot be said to be going against any teaching from any church I have ever been to INCLUDING I MAY ADD BAPTIST CHURCHES

But as Christ never commanded anyone to believe he was God Himself can you tell me where you get your spiritual authority from to demand what Christ did not demand on this issue PLEASE ANSWER

Now the burden of proof lies with you not me about churches for your are the one who claims to have sat ina church for 30 years and not heard the God head being taught.

Now please prove that, and not just baptist all evangelical churches who believe the truth of scripture. (Best wishes in trying to prove that LBG)

You stated it, now prove your claims.

What in the world do you expect me to do to prove it. I have no need to lie. I am happy to tell you that I have NEVER in ANY CHURCH I have been to heard it stated the words I have asked you to provide in a sermon from a Baptist church, nor have I heard the words Christ is the one true God Himself said. Call me a liar if you wish, but I do not need to lie as I said before Phil, I leave that up to others on this site
And yes, I went to Trinitarian chiurches for THIRTY YEARS.
But I will soon hear such a sermon won't I phil AS YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE ME WITH A LINK TO A BAPTIST CHURCH WHERE I CAN HEAR SUCH A SERMON

P>S, is your Nephew a presiding Baptist Ministers and agrees that it is Ok to say you are a christian and deny Jesus>

What a ridiculous statement of DESPERATION.
Who is denying Jesus?
I believe he is who he claimed to be
Who Peter professed him to be(and Christ said it was revealed to Peter by his Father)
Who the Pharisees believed he claimed to be
And who Jesus under oath said he was
can you back this up with proof, why dont you get him to send an email/letter to the baptist union or FIEC it would be interesting to see how many would agree???????


Well if they do not agree that a persion can simply believe Christ is the son of God to have eternal life and not God Himself they should preach such a message loud and clear or they are dismally letting down their flockl


?

Answers above

 

[phil36]

HI LBG,

As I said before you can believe what you like its your perogative, if you don't believe Jesus is God, that is totally upto you. You have been shown what scripture says, and as you say you went to a ''Trinitarian'' church for thirty years so you have no excuse, you willfully with full knowledge of what your are doing call yourself a christian and yet deny Jesus is God!

My humblest prayer LBG is for you, that whatever is blinding your sight to see and covering your ears to hear be removed, and that God moves your heart to see the glorious truth of our Lord and Saviour. I really have great concern for you LBG, I truly from the bottom of my heart mean that.

Be blessed LBG.

 

[livingbygrace]

HI LBG,

As I said before you can believe what you like its your perogative, if you don't believe Jesus is God, that is totally upto you. You have been shown what scripture says, and as you say you went to a ''Trinitarian'' church for thirty years so you have no excuse, you willfully with full knowledge of what your are doing call yourself a christian and yet deny Jesus is God!

My humblest prayer LBG is for you, that whatever is blinding your sight to see and covering your ears to hear be removed, and that God moves your heart to see the glorious truth of our Lord and Saviour. I really have great concern for you LBG, I truly from the bottom of my heart mean that.

Be blessed LBG.

I am sorry to have to say Phil but empty vessels............................. It seems you cannot provide me with a sermon stating what I have asked for(or you are worried you won't be able to), AND ONE WITH THE WORDS IN IT YOU HAVE SO MANY TIMES USED AGAINST ME. So you CANNOT provide me with a sermon from a Baptist church on the basis of the Christian faith

I am trying not to find this too amusing

I guess you will spend the next couple of days scurrying around trying to find one

AND I REPEAT IF YOU CAN FIND ONE I AM SURE IT WILL BE SAID IN THE SERMON THE WORDS YOU HAVE SAID IN CONDEMNATION OF ME

 

[livingbygrace]

HI LBG,

As I said before you can believe what you like its your perogative, if you don't believe Jesus is God, that is totally upto you.
I see ypou have not answered my question concerning where your spiritual authority comes from to demand something that Chriat never demanded concerning whom we believe him to be


You have been shown what scripture says, and as you say you went to a ''Trinitarian'' church for thirty years so you have no excuse, you willfully with full knowledge of what your are doing call yourself a christian and yet deny Jesus is God!
These are ridiculous and hollow statements. You have ignored nearly all of the scripture I have put before you. Where is your honesty?
Where are your Christian morals?



My humblest prayer LBG is for you, that whatever is blinding your sight to see and covering your ears to hear be removed, and that God moves your heart to see the glorious truth of our Lord and Saviour. I really have great concern for you LBG, I truly from the bottom of my heart mean that.

The above paragraph is nothing more than sham as well you know, borne out of not being answer the plainest of scripture put to you

I am noticing that the most vociferous of trinitarians in their condemnation of anyone who won't believe Chrtist is God Himself think nothing of being untruthful and use evasion with scripture put before them or simply totally ignore it, Oh well, you live and learn
Be blessed LBG.

How can you tell someone they are a heretic and condemned and then say be blesssed
Answers above

I no longer wonder why the state of so many churches are like they are

They have taken away my Lord and I do not know what they have done with him

 

[livingbygrace]

And let me make clear again I want to hear a sermon that states a belief that Christ is the son of God and not God Himself means a person is condemned, a heretic and can have no eternal life

But if you can't find that I want a sermon that simply states
A belief that Christ is the son of God but not God Himself means a person cannot have eternal life

For that is what you continuously state and I want to know if it is just you talking or what your church ACTUALLY preaches

 

[phil36]

I'll answer your first post.

It is you who said 'trinitarian'churches do preach that Jesus is God, or what it is the fact believing Jesus is God is what needs to be believed. and then you try and back that up by saying that you attened a ''''trinitarian''''church for 30 years and never heard it????

Now it is you who needs to back up your claims not me.. now can you provide proof that bible believing evangelical churches don't teach that Jesus is God.

can you back up your claims?? If you can't that is all they are a claim with no origin of truth.



Now concerning the above post.

I belive in order for you to properly fellowship with christians you need to repent from Idolatry and blasphemy, since you call yourself a Christian.. but that doesnt mean I don't care for your spiritual well being.. IT IS because I care for your Spiritual well being I say this, and not just for yours but those you try and convince with false hoods while claiming to be a christian yet denying Christ is God.

So 2 things

1) you made the claim about the teaching about Jesus, so you need to back that up not me

2) You are the one who denies that Jesus is God, whilst claiming to be a Christian.

So can you back up your claim that evangelical churches... wait I'll narrow that down for you, evangelical baptist churches don't teach that Jesus is God, therefore to believe in Jesus you believe that he is God.

You say the state churches are in, they have takemn away your Lord.. your Lord is not the Lord of the Bible LBG, that is why you will not find him in a bible believing church.

, it is you who made the astounding claim, not me so please back this up or else we can assume you just made it up, like the the saviour you say who isnt the one true God!

 

[livingbygrace]

I'll answer your first post.

It is you who said 'trinitarian'churches do preach that Jesus is God, or what it is the fact believing Jesus is God is what needs to be believed. and then you try and back that up by saying that you attened a ''''trinitarian''''church for 30 years and never heard it????

Now it is you who needs to back up your claims not me.. now can you provide proof that bible believing evangelical churches don't teach that Jesus is God.

This is a ridiculous ask and you know it is. I repeat I do not lie, justy because others see nothing wrong with being untruthful does not mean every other Christian is

does

can you back up your claims?? If you can't that is all they are a claim with no origin of truth.



Now concerning the above post.

I belive in order for you to properly fellowship with christians you need to repent from Idolatry and blasphemy, since you call yourself a Christian.. but that doesnt mean I don't care for your spiritual well being.. IT IS because I care for your Spiritual well being I say this, and not just for yours but those you try and convince with false hoods while claiming to be a christian yet denying Christ is God.


The above is not worthy of a reply
So 2 things

1) you made the claim about the teaching about Jesus, so you need to back that up not me

2) You are the one who denies that Jesus is God, whilst claiming to be a Christian.

So can you back up your claim that evangelical churches... wait I'll narrow that down for you, evangelical baptist churches don't teach that Jesus is God, therefore to believe in Jesus you believe that he is God.


You are ryunnnig scared and EVERYONE WILL SEE IT

Please find a sermon from a Baptist church which states that if a person believes Christ is the son of God but not God Himself they can have no eternal life, you are the Baptist, not me


You say the state churches are in, they have takemn away your Lord.. your Lord is not the Lord of the Bible LBG, that is why you will not find him in a bible believing church.

, it is you who made the astounding claim, not me so please back this up or else we can assume you just made it up, like the the saviour you say who isnt the one true God!

You cannot produce a sermon that clearly states

If a person believes that Christ is the son of God but not God Himself they can have no eternal life

Biut you are not humble enough to admit it

Therefore, your church is NOT TEACHING FROM THE PULPIT a belief that according to you eternal life hinges on, so you try and deflect deflect deflect it is all you can do.
Why not try and just show a bit of humility and admit it, is that so hard for a Trinitarian Baptist to do?

 

[phil36]

lol now you have made me laugh.

why do you call me a baptist, and have done over quite a few post..it does make smile abit