Did the Reed Sea Crossing Really Happen?

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My recollection was off on what land it was the Hebrews had crossed across to the actual Red Sea Crossing since they had crossed over The Red Sea into the area of Saudi Arabia, but it sure wasn't from The Egyptian River Delta.

[video=youtube;aSpoZ9JZNM0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=217&v=aSpoZ9JZNM0[/video]
 
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I thought they used the name RED SEA in the video just because it is much more popular than SEA OF REEDS or REED SEA. Well, in my post I said that this video SEEMS to be an evidence that God parted the waters for Moses and his people.

If this video was produced by a guy called Ron Wyatt it is a fraud. He claims to have found Noah's Ark, the remains of the Tower of Babel, Joseph's coat of many colors, the jawbone of a donkey used by Golliath, the sling used by David, etc.
Watch this short video, brother. The video and what was shown cannot be disputed as to where the actual crossing was.

[video=youtube;aSpoZ9JZNM0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=217&v=aSpoZ9JZNM0[/video]
 
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2 Timothy 2:15, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth.”
Evidence of the crossing is not by the Egyptian River Delta, brother. Do watch the video.

[video=youtube;aSpoZ9JZNM0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=217&v=aSpoZ9JZNM0[/video]
 
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Watch this short video, brother. The video and what was shown cannot be disputed as to where the actual crossing was.

[video=youtube;aSpoZ9JZNM0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=217&v=aSpoZ9JZNM0[/video]
Cool vid, thanks for posting quite informative.
 

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The video may be interesting, but unfortunately even if the material it presents is true, it still does not change the fact that the Hebrew yam suph means "sea of reeds", not "red sea".

By the way, using a phrase like "cannot be disputed" is an invitation to dispute. :)
 
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Cool vid, thanks for posting quite informative.
I thank the Lord for leading me to a short one that provided just enough information for those that err to see, but it is on the Lord to cause the increase still. I pray that those that err will see the truth that it is the Red Sea that they had crossed.
 
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I thank the Lord for leading me to a short one that provided just enough information for those that err to see, but it is on the Lord to cause the increase still. I pray that those that err will see the truth that it is the Red Sea that they had crossed.
Well sometimes it can be not of error, but of lack of information, I believe we all grow and learn of God at different levels. patience is key and the Lord knows I have to practice that each and everyday, for I could never say I have enough of patience.
 

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Watch this short video, brother. The video and what was shown cannot be disputed as to where the actual crossing was.
I watched the video... I agree, Nuweiba is the most likely location. For once we agree on something. :)

It's a pity the video wasn't edited more carefully though. Some of the cuts are awkward, but it presents the information clearly enough.
 

Hizikyah

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The Greek for Red Sea does not give any doubt that it is the Red Sea in the N.T.

So what does that mean for what you had done? You chose another definition for the Hebrew word.

Look at pneuma.



Now are you going to allow someone to choose another definition for the Holy Spirit with demon? No.

Then why be confusing His words when there is a Reed Sea located on the other side of the Saudi Arabian Peninsula next to Egypt from where the actual crossing took place which is located on the map as at the Red Sea?



Did you bother to read your second quote?

That video was not taken at that place. It was located on the other side of the Saudi Arabia of that Red Sea.

You chose to see Reed of Sea by an errant reference and at a Wikipedia source too.

Marcelo shown a video that was not taken place in Egypt's River Delta, but in the actual Red Sea.
Scripture is the sole authority for facts, I used wikiP to show the word Reed or Yam Suph not it location

1Kings 9:26 And Sovereign Shelomoh built a fleet of ships at Etsyon Geḇer, which is near Ĕyloth on the shore of the Sea of Reeds*, in the land of Eḏom.

*5488. suphStrong's Concordance
suph: reeds, rushes
Original Word: סוּף
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: suph
Phonetic Spelling: (soof)
Short Definition: red
 

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My recollection was off on what land it was the Hebrews had crossed across to the actual Red Sea Crossing since they had crossed over The Red Sea into the area of Saudi Arabia, but it sure wasn't from The Egyptian River Delta.
This video you provided uses Exodus Revealed's footage while claiming to debunk it. It's just some guy that made a video he has never actually been there like the makers of Exodus Revealed...

Yet the Reed Sea properly called the Yam Suph is not a shallow body of water... That video is misleading in it's presentation of facts.

This video is the truth IMO;
[video=youtube;yTnqRpXKcaQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTnqRpXKcaQ[/video]
 
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This video you provided uses Exodus Revealed's footage while claiming to debunk it. It's just some guy that made a video he has never actually been there like the makers of Exodus Revealed...

Yet the Reed Sea properly called the Yam Suph is not a shallow body of water... That video is misleading in it's presentation of facts.

This video is the truth IMO;
[video=youtube;yTnqRpXKcaQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTnqRpXKcaQ[/video]
If you are going to doubt visual evidence of chariot wheels underwater at the actual location of the Red Sea as well as the two pillars placed there on either side of the crossing by King Solomon to commemorate that crossing, then I cannot help you. And just because it was found by Ron Wyatt, whom was accused of being a fraud, it does not make the visual evidence as fraudulent. Anyone can go there and see the one pillar and a flag marker by Arabian authority attesting to its existence.

 

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If you are going to doubt visual evidence of chariot wheels underwater at the actual location of the Red Sea as well as the two pillars placed there on either side of the crossing by King Solomon to commemorate that crossing, then I cannot help you. And just because it was found by Ron Wyatt, whom was accused of being a fraud, it does not make the visual evidence as fraudulent. Anyone can go there and see the one pillar and a flag marker by Arabian authority attesting to its existence.

No I don;t doubt it, you are saying Im saying that. The video of the chariot wheel and pillar Solomon put up at the crossing location is FROM the video "Exodus Revealed" The guy in your video used the Eoxduis Revealed video's findindgs then claims he is "proving" to debunk. How can one use evidence in the Yam Supf then say it's not in the Yam Suph? Also Solomon put up the pillar in the location he thought the crossing happened, the Yam Suph.

and lol is that the guy he claims to be debunkin actually standing in front of the pillar?
 
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No I don;t doubt it, you are saying Im saying that. The video of the chariot wheel and pillar Solomon put up at the crossing location is FROM the video "Exodus Revealed" The guy in your video used the Eoxduis Revealed video's findindgs then claims he is "proving" to debunk. How can one use evidence in the Yam Supf then say it's not in the Yam Suph? Also Solomon put up the pillar in the location he thought the crossing happened, the Yam Suph.

and lol is that the guy he claims to be debunkin actually standing in front of the pillar?
Okay. Your video supports Ron Wyatt's discovery as the guy in the video went there to see for himself too.

The reference from Wikipedia had stated the Reed Sea as being of the Egyptian River Delta from which I was contending that it cannot be; but the actual Red Sea since both videos places that location of the actual Red Sea crossing in the gulf of across from Arabia rather than Egypt. Since there is a false teaching out there that the crossing was at the River Delta, I would advise you to reference the Red Sea rather than the Reed Sea instead for clraity's sake. It is as the map says today.
 

Hizikyah

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Okay. Your video supports Ron Wyatt's discovery as the guy in the video went there to see for himself too.

The reference from Wikipedia had stated the Reed Sea as being of the Egyptian River Delta from which I was contending that it cannot be; but the actual Red Sea since both videos places that location of the actual Red Sea crossing in the gulf of across from Arabia rather than Egypt. Since there is a false teaching out there that the crossing was at the River Delta, I would advise you to reference the Red Sea rather than the Reed Sea instead for clraity's sake. It is as the map says today.
OK seems we both misunderstood eachother, my apologies. Yeah it is amazing evidence, praiseYah! for leaving physical testimony! The most scoffed at story in the Word have pohysical proof it is true! SO awesome!
 

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[h=1]Archaeological Looting and the Destruction of Cultural Heritage[/h] Robin Ngo
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The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) analyzed satellite images to document the destruction of Syria’s World Heritage sites as a result of ongoing warfare. The images here show the old city of Aleppo on December 6, 2011 (top), and on July 14, 2014 (bottom). One can observe that the roof of the Suq al-Madina has been damaged (green arrow), the minaret of the Great Mosque has been destroyed (red arrow), two craters have developed on the eastern wall of the mosque (blue arrows) and several structures in the vicinity have suffered heavy damage (yellow arrows). Images: ©2014, DigitalGlobe Analysis, AAAS.

Archaeological looting
is a global issue that threatens the preservation of our shared cultural heritage. In the Middle East, archaeological looting and the deliberate destruction of archaeological sites and monuments amid ongoing warfare have captured international attention. Antiquities looted from sites in Syria and northern Iraq and
subsequently trafficked are
one of the main sources of funding for
the Islamic State, the Sunni extremist group referred to as ISIS or ISIL. What, if anything, can be done to protect these objects and sites?
In “Is It Possible to Protect Our Cultural Heritage?” in the March/April 2015 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, BAR editor Hershel Shanks examines local and international efforts to address the archaeological looting and devastation of sites in the Middle East. In Shanks’s view, these efforts, while laudable, have thus far been ineffective in protecting cultural property.
Continuous conflict has left thousands of archaeological sites in Syria and Iraq—including those of the Bronze, Iron, Greek, Roman, Byzantine and Islamic periods—vulnerable. The culturally diverse ancient city of Dura-Europos, where one of the earliest Christian house-churches was discovered, has been heavily pillaged over the past few years. In July 2014, ISIS militants blew up the mosque that housed the traditional tomb of the prophet Jonah in Mosul, Iraq. According to a report from September 2014, five of the six World Heritage sites in Syria “exhibit significant damage” due to ongoing warfare.
Cultural heritage experts believe that ISIS militants have been responsible for much of the archaeological looting going on in Syria and northern Iraq since the rise of the rebel group. Criminal networks seeking to profit from the turmoil, however, are also to blame. The Art Newspaper reports that there has been a 133% rise in Syrian objects imported into the United States.

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Trafficking in antiquities has been compared to other lucrative criminal enterprises, including the drugs and arms trade. Read more about the antiquities market in “Sold to the Highest Bidder: Antiquities as Cash Cows.”
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The aftermath of archaeological looting is often visible in the landscape in the form of lunar-like craters. Seen here are craters at an ancient cemetery site southeast of the Dead Sea in Jordan. Photo: Hershel Shanks.

How effective would the placement of guards be for on-the-ground protection of vulnerable archaeological sites in this region?
A story recounted in the New York Times offers a glimpse of the danger of such a situation: Maamoun Abdulkarim, director general of antiquities and museums in Damascus, relayed the tragic fate of a ranger who guarded several sites in the eastern Syrian city of Deir al-Zour—he was beheaded.
There are myriad efforts by professionals, government organizations and concerned citizens to address the loss of cultural heritage in conflict areas. The Safeguarding the Heritage of Syria Initiative is building a database to document the destruction of Syrian sites and artifacts—thus preserving at least the memory of cultural treasures. The Combatant Command Cultural Heritage Action Group trains U.S. military personnel to protect cultural property during operations. The International Council of Museums published the Emergency Red List of Syrian Cultural Objects at Risk to make art and heritage professionals and law enforcement officials aware of looted Syrian antiquities that may resurface in the art market.
In his BAR article, Shanks remarks, “While we should applaud those who are devoting themselves to protecting cultural property, there seems to be no effective means to prevent the destruction amid the turmoil gripping the Middle East. Much of the professional effort is devoted to documenting the destruction, rather than preventing it.”
In the face of this bleak—but frank—sentiment, it is nevertheless commendable that greater awareness is being raised for the value of our shared cultural heritage. Greater awareness can inspire more vigilance and better ideas for the protection of cultural property.
Speaking at the “Heritage in Peril: Iraq and Syria” event at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York on September 22, 2014, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said, “The fight to protect the cultural heritage of Iraq and Syria isn’t just about shared values. It’s about protecting a shared legacy […] ISIS forces the people of Iraq and Syria to pay for their cultural heritage in blood. We are determined instead to help Iraqis and Syrians protect and preserve their heritage in peace. That’s our common responsibility.”
 

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[h=1]First-Ever Philistine Cemetery Unearthed at Ashkelon[/h] Megan Sauter
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Kathryn Marklein articulates a 10th–9th century B.C.E. burial in Ashkelon’s Philistine cemetery, the first ever to be discovered by archaeologists. Photo: Megan Sauter.

The first and only Philistine cemetery ever discovered has been found outside the walls of ancient Ashkelon. As one of the major Philistine city-states during the Iron Age, Ashkelon was
a significant Mediterranean port and boasted a thriving marketplace. Excavations at Ashkelon have revealed many details about how the Philistines lived: the kind of houses they built; the food they ate; the plates, bowls, cups, pots and jars they made; the tools and weapons they used; the jewelry they wore; the imports they bought; the way they made clothes; and much more.
Now Ashkelon has yielded the Philistines themselves.
Directed by Lawrence E. Stager, Dorot Professor of the Archaeology of Israel, Emeritus, at Harvard University, and Daniel M. Master, Professor of Archaeology at Wheaton College, the Leon Levy Expedition to Ashkelon discovered the Iron Age cemetery in 2013 and began excavating it extensively in 2014. Three seasons of significant investigation have revealed previously unknown details of the Philistines in death—and life. First of all, the cemetery provides a window into Philistine burial practices.
“Ninety-nine percent of the chapters and articles written about Philistine burial customs should be revised or ignored now that we have the first and only Philistine cemetery found just outside the city walls of Tel Ashkelon, one of the five primary cities of the Philistines,” said Lawrence E. Stager.
Various theories have been proposed about Philistine burial practices: Some thought that the Philistines were burned at death, like Patroclus and other figures in Homer’s Iliad. Others connected late 13th-century B.C.E. Egyptian anthropoid ceramic coffins with the Philistines. While a cemetery has been found at Azor (dated to the Iron Age 1), located at the northern boundary of Philistia, Ashkelon’s cemetery is the first to be found in the heartland of Philistia—and the first to be indisputably Philistine. As such, it is the standard for measuring all other burials claimed to be Philistine, such as the tombs found at Tel Farah (South) and near Tel Eitun, which were found beyond the limits of Philistia but argued by some to be Philistine. All of these “Philistine” burials and practices must be reevaluated in light of Ashkelon’s cemetery—as should perhaps the cemeteries found at Ruqeish (dated to the Iron Age 2) and Erani (Iron Ages 1–2), located at Philistia’s southern and eastern boundaries, respectively.
Senior staff Adam Aja, Sherry Fox and Daniel Master discuss a 10th–9th century B.C.E. burial from Ashkelon’s cemetery. Photo: ©Tsafrir Abayov/Leon Levy Expedition.

More than 210 individuals have been excavated from Ashkelon’s cemetery. Their burials have varied from simple pit interments and cremations in jars to interments in ashlar-built tombs—with the most frequent being pit interments. Grave goods dated from the 11th–8th centuries B.C.E. accompanied some of the Philistine burials. The most common items included in Philistine burials are small juglets. Storage jars, bowls and juglets have been found next to many individuals; these installations consist of a storage jar standing upright with a bowl sitting on its top opening and a juglet resting inside the bowl.
Ashlar-built tomb chambers from Ashkelon’s cemetery. Photo: Megan Sauter.

Many of the decorated juglets from the cemetery were imported from Phoenicia. This is not surprising since the Philistines had close ties with Phoenician cities of the central Lebanese coast, such as Tyre, Sidon and Byblos. This close relationship is reflected in the Hebrew Bible (see, e.g., Jeremiah 47:4). From other excavated areas at Tel Ashkelon dated to the 12th–7th centuries B.C.E. (the Iron Age), we see that the largest portion of Ashkelon’s imports came from Phoenicia.



In addition to the many ceramic vessels from Ashkelon’s cemetery, jewelry, amulets and weapons have also been discovered. Individuals were found wearing delicate silver earrings, as well as bronze necklaces, bracelets, earrings and rings. A few bracelets with alternating bronze and carnelian beads and necklaces with alternating carnelian beads and cowrie shells were found; although the strings that originally connected these beads had long deteriorated, the beads themselves stayed in their original positions.
Cemetery excavation supervisor Adam Aja examines a 10th–9th century B.C.E.burial during the excavation of the Philistine cemetery by the Leon Levy Expedition to Ashkelon. A small juglet rests on the Philistine’s cheek. Photo: ©Tsafrir Abayov/Leon Levy Expedition.

Amulets and scarabs were found with some individuals, as were weapons. Notably, one warrior was buried with a quiver full of bronze arrows. This discovery was made by Adam Aja, Assistant Curator of Collections at the Harvard Semitic Museum and the Expedition’s Assistant Director, who supervised the excavation of Ashkelon’s Philistine cemetery. Although the cemetery has produced a large quantity of grave goods, the majority of the Philistines were buried without personal items.
The difference between Philistine burials and other burials in the region is compelling. The earlier Canaanites, as well as the Israelites and Judahites of the Iron Age, buried their dead in two steps. They first laid out their dead—usually on a bench in a tomb—and waited for the corpses to deflesh. Then about a year later, they gathered the deceased’s bones into niches in the tomb—repositories—where the bones were mixed with those of their ancestors. This process is not seen in Ashkelon’s Philistine cemetery, which has instead yielded many fully articulated skeletons. Sometimes burial pits would be dug again, and new individuals would be laid on top of previous burials—with their own grave goods—but the earlier burials were not intentionally disturbed. Relationships between those buried in the same pits and tombs are currently being investigated.
Not only does Ashkelon’s cemetery shed light on Philistine burial practices, but it also illuminates the Philistines as a people group.
“After decades of studying what the Philistines left behind, we have finally come face to face with the people themselves,” said Daniel M. Master, Co-Director of the Leon Levy Expedition to Ashkelon. “With this discovery we are close to unlocking the secrets of their origins.”
The Bible records that the Philistines, Israel’s archenemy, came from Caphtor (see, e.g., Amos 9:7). Many correlate Caphtor with the island of Crete. An Aegean heritage for the Philistines lines up well with the archaeological finds from Philistia. Modern excavations at the Philistine sites of Ashdod, Ekron, Ashkelon, and Gath (Tell es-Safi)—four city-states of the Philistine Pentapolis—have demonstrated that the Philistines brought their own distinctive types of pottery, building styles, weapons, jewelry and weaving with them when they settled on the southern coast of Israel around the 12th century B.C.E.

Ashkelon’s cemetery supports the Philistines’ distinctness from their neighbors and may be able to connect the Philistines to related populations in the Aegean world. Bone samples of the cemetery’s population are undergoing DNA testing, radiocarbon dating and biological distance studies (the degree of genetic relatedness). The results of these investigations may give us a better picture of the Philistines’ heritage, when Ashkelon’s cemetery was in use, and how the population of the cemetery was related to one another.
Skull from a Philistine burial from Ashkelon’s cemetery dated to the 10th–9th century B.C.E. Photo: ©Tsafrir Abayov/Leon Levy Expedition.

Sherry Fox, the head forensic anthropologist analyzing Ashkelon’s Philistine burials, has already identified some of the illnesses and traumas that plagued the Philistines. Her team’s study of the material is sure to yield many other insights into the Philistines, such as common traits and average life span. Although their investigations are just beginning, Fox and her team have noted a curious phenomenon: The vast majority of the individuals from Ashkelon’s cemetery are adults. Just a small percentage is children and infants. In a culture that surely experienced high rates of infant mortality, this is surprising. Where did the Philistines bury all of their babies? This question warrants further investigation.
The discovery of Ashkelon’s cemetery was announced today, July 10, 2016, at a press conference in Jerusalem and coincides with the opening of Ashkelon: A Retrospective, 30 Years of the Leon Levy Expedition, an Israel Museum exhibition at the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum in Jerusalem. The exhibit features discoveries from the Philistine cemetery, as well as artifacts uncovered from recent excavations at Tel Ashkelon that are representative of the site’s long, diverse occupational history from the Chalcolithic period through the Crusades. Highlights include the famous Canaanite silver calf (dated to the 16th century B.C.E.) that was found in a shrine on Ashkelon’s ramparts and beautiful imported Greek pottery from Ashkelon’s Philistine marketplace that was well-preserved due to Nebuchadnezzar’s destruction of the city in 604 B.C.E.
2016 marks the final season of the Leon Levy Expedition to Ashkelon, which began excavating the site in 1985. The discovery of the Philistine cemetery is a nice addition to 30 years of extraordinary finds at Ashkelon.