Distinction between Pre-trib rapture and 2nd advent
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No Jezreel If you could study the marriage of a Jewish couple just as when Joseph and mary were engaged it was as if they were married, however sometime before the actually wedding the bride is prepared there is some time between her being ready and the wedding, so if the bride is taken up to be prepared, and just the church is then taken out there is no wedding guest to be at the supper, watch these events in rev, I have showed this before but here it is again, i think that the wedding party and what you describe are two separate events But not sure on that right now , here are the events from scriptures
Re 19:6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.Re 19:7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.Re 19:8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
then here by the words used and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, this verse is clearly talking only about the tribulation saints or to say those that went through the tribulation only. if we can establish this then watch what the word of God says
Re 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.Re 20:5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.Re 20:6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but
now a few notes from these verses the ones to live and reign with Him for the thousand years (millennium) are the ones that lived in the great tribulation period. and we establish this from verse 4 neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
the first resurrection is only for the tribulation saints we establish by verse 6 they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. who will reign with Him for the thousand years? those that didn't take on the mark of the beast. this is the first resurrection also . but now note in in verse 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. if the post trib guys state verily boldly, that there is only one resurrection or one more coming of the Lord then I have to ask here who are the rest of the dead that are raised a thousand years after the first resurrection???? this is in a time line here event after event
Re 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re 20:11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.Re 20:12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.Re 20:13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.Re 20:14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Re 20:15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
so let me step any who will haves eyes to see , The Church/ bride is already with their white robes which we don't get before we go to heaven Before the first resurrection which consist of trib. saints/ the wedding party. how did they get ready before the first resurrection? the rapture maybe? the we have the rest of the dead that is not raised until after the thousand year reign so my question if post tribbers have the facts that all will be raised at one time shortly after the day of the Lord who are the rest of the dead that are raised only after the first resurrection and after the thousand year reign of Christ
so now back to jezreel the bride is not raised directly to the wedding but is raised sometime before and made ready in the white robes
Re 19:7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.Re 19:8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
one more thought on this, God has just showed me as I read these scriptures.
Re 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
If Jesus taught the disciples that the raising of the Church and the end time judgement was the same then can some post tribber please explain this .
Mt 19:27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?Mt 19:28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
two points here , peter was told that the twelve disciples would sit on the twelve thrones Judging Israel, so if there is not a pre-trib rapture of the new testament Church how are the twelve disciples already on the twelve thrones before the first resurrection??? then the second is that we can establish that the first resurrection is dealing with the tribulation saints those that refuse to take on the mark of the beast, then look at where they are at , before the twelve thrones of Israel meaning that the ones who's robes are washed during the great tribulations are Jews only!!! praise the Lord for revelation of scriptures
Re 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
If Jesus taught the disciples that the raising of the Church and the end time judgement was the same then can some post tribber please explain this .
Mt 19:27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?Mt 19:28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
two points here , peter was told that the twelve disciples would sit on the twelve thrones Judging Israel, so if there is not a pre-trib rapture of the new testament Church how are the twelve disciples already on the twelve thrones before the first resurrection??? then the second is that we can establish that the first resurrection is dealing with the tribulation saints those that refuse to take on the mark of the beast, then look at where they are at , before the twelve thrones of Israel meaning that the ones who's robes are washed during the great tribulations are Jews only!!! praise the Lord for revelation of scriptures
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The Rapture vs. The Second Coming
The Rapture and the 2nd Coming of Christ are not the same events. The Rapture is when Jesus comes in the air for His Church, but His feet will not touch earth. The 2nd Coming is when Jesus comes back to earth and His feet stand on the Mount of Olives.
Rapture
Second Coming
7 years of Tribulation
In the Old Testament, there were 2 different pictures painted of the Messiah—one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these Scriptures, we see they predicted 2 separate comings of the Messiah—the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have 2 pictures painted, and they don’t look the same. These 2 different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call "The Rapture" and "The Second Coming."
Listed below are 15 differences between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming.
Rapture Second Coming
1 Jesus coming FOR His Church. John 14:1-3, 1 Thess 4:14-17
1 Jesus coming WITH His Church Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14
2 Caught up with Him in the air 1 Thess 4:13-18
2
Jesus' feet touch the earth Zech 14:4, Rev:19:11-21
3 Christians taken first, unbelievers are left behind. 1 Thess 4:13-18 3 Wicked are taken first, the righteous (Tribulation saints) are left behind.Matt 13:28-30
4 Purpose: To present the Church to Himself and to the Father 2 Cor 11:2, Rev. 19:6-9
4 Purpose: To execute judgment on earth and set up His Kingdom Jude 14-15,Rev 19:11-21, Zech 14:3-4
5 MARRIAGE: Marriage of Lamb in heaven after the Rapture 5 WAR: Marriage is followed by war on earth at the 2nd coming
6 Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) 1 Cor 15:52
6 Slow coming, people will see Him come back.Zech 12:10 Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7
7 Only Christians will see Him 1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52
7 Every eye will see Him Rev. 1:7
8 Jesus descends with a shout(for resurrection) 1 Thess 4:16
8 No shout mentioned Rev. 19:11-21
9 A resurrection takes place 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-54
9 No resurrection mentioned Rev 1:7, 19:11-21, Zech 12:10, 14:4-5
10 Can happen at any time Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6
10 Occurs at end of 7 years of Tribulation Dan 9:24-27Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8
11 No angels are sent to gather (resurrected people don't need angels to help them)
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Angels sent forth to gather people together for judgment Matt 13:39, 41, 49, 24:31, 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-10
12 Spirits of those dead in Christ return with Jesus to receive their their resurrected bodies 1 Thess 4:14-16
12 Christians return with Jesus in already resurrected bodies riding on white horses. Rev 19:11-21
13 Jesus does not return on a white horse
13 Jesus returns on a white horse Rev 19:11
14 For the Church only (those in Christ) 1 Thess 4:14-17
14 For redeemed Israel & Gentiles Rom 11:25-27, Matt 25:31-46
15 A message of hope and comfort 1 Thess 4:18, Titus 2:13, 1 John 3:3
15 A message of judgment Joel 3:12-16, Rev 19:11-21, Mal 4:5
The Rapture and the 2nd Coming of Christ are not the same events. The Rapture is when Jesus comes in the air for His Church, but His feet will not touch earth. The 2nd Coming is when Jesus comes back to earth and His feet stand on the Mount of Olives.
Rapture
Second Coming
7 years of Tribulation
In the Old Testament, there were 2 different pictures painted of the Messiah—one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these Scriptures, we see they predicted 2 separate comings of the Messiah—the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have 2 pictures painted, and they don’t look the same. These 2 different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call "The Rapture" and "The Second Coming."
Listed below are 15 differences between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming.
Rapture Second Coming
1 Jesus coming FOR His Church. John 14:1-3, 1 Thess 4:14-17
1 Jesus coming WITH His Church Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14
2 Caught up with Him in the air 1 Thess 4:13-18
2
Jesus' feet touch the earth Zech 14:4, Rev:19:11-21
3 Christians taken first, unbelievers are left behind. 1 Thess 4:13-18 3 Wicked are taken first, the righteous (Tribulation saints) are left behind.Matt 13:28-30
4 Purpose: To present the Church to Himself and to the Father 2 Cor 11:2, Rev. 19:6-9
4 Purpose: To execute judgment on earth and set up His Kingdom Jude 14-15,Rev 19:11-21, Zech 14:3-4
5 MARRIAGE: Marriage of Lamb in heaven after the Rapture 5 WAR: Marriage is followed by war on earth at the 2nd coming
6 Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) 1 Cor 15:52
6 Slow coming, people will see Him come back.Zech 12:10 Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7
7 Only Christians will see Him 1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52
7 Every eye will see Him Rev. 1:7
8 Jesus descends with a shout(for resurrection) 1 Thess 4:16
8 No shout mentioned Rev. 19:11-21
9 A resurrection takes place 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-54
9 No resurrection mentioned Rev 1:7, 19:11-21, Zech 12:10, 14:4-5
10 Can happen at any time Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6
10 Occurs at end of 7 years of Tribulation Dan 9:24-27Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8
11 No angels are sent to gather (resurrected people don't need angels to help them)
11
Angels sent forth to gather people together for judgment Matt 13:39, 41, 49, 24:31, 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-10
12 Spirits of those dead in Christ return with Jesus to receive their their resurrected bodies 1 Thess 4:14-16
12 Christians return with Jesus in already resurrected bodies riding on white horses. Rev 19:11-21
13 Jesus does not return on a white horse
13 Jesus returns on a white horse Rev 19:11
14 For the Church only (those in Christ) 1 Thess 4:14-17
14 For redeemed Israel & Gentiles Rom 11:25-27, Matt 25:31-46
15 A message of hope and comfort 1 Thess 4:18, Titus 2:13, 1 John 3:3
15 A message of judgment Joel 3:12-16, Rev 19:11-21, Mal 4:5
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