Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?
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The man in Romans 7:14-25 was a slave to sin and under condemnation. The law exposes sin but it is only the grace of God that saves us and sets us free from the law. This shows that one can remain in bondage to sin when they use willpower alone. We ought to rely on God's power for He is able to break every stronghold of sin. When you allow the Spirit to take control of your life you will see transformation.
It's true that God forgiveness is unlimited but if one truly loves God, they will repent of their sins and purse holiness whereas one who does not love God will deliberately persist in their sins. Assuming you damage your friend's car and you feel remorseful, make amendments, and plead for forgiveness, the fact that they forgive you does not give you the license to repeat the same offense. If you deliberately repeat the same offense it shows insincere repentance.
Remember that the bible says a tree is known by its fruit; in essence an apple tree cannot produce oranges. If Apostle Paul was still living in worldliness while admonishing the churches to abstain from evil, etc, etc., he would have been a classic hypocrite.
It's true that God forgiveness is unlimited but if one truly loves God, they will repent of their sins and purse holiness whereas one who does not love God will deliberately persist in their sins. Assuming you damage your friend's car and you feel remorseful, make amendments, and plead for forgiveness, the fact that they forgive you does not give you the license to repeat the same offense. If you deliberately repeat the same offense it shows insincere repentance.
Remember that the bible says a tree is known by its fruit; in essence an apple tree cannot produce oranges. If Apostle Paul was still living in worldliness while admonishing the churches to abstain from evil, etc, etc., he would have been a classic hypocrite.
There seems to be much misconception of Rom7:14-25
Although Paul may appear to be speaking in the present tense, I would say it is plain he is just continuing on from what he had been saying in verses 7-11. He is showing the result in his own life of what happened when he lived under the law. Bearing in mind he wrote Romans later in his life, would we really think the following was Paul for the whole of his Christian life?
He is sold as a slave to sin(yet in the previous chapter, he says if you are sold as a slave to sin this leads to death)
What he wants to do he cannot do but what he hates to do he keeps on doing
He has the desire to do what is good but he cannot carry it out
What he does is not the good he wants to do, but rather the evil he does not want to do, this he keeps on doing.
He is a prisoner of the law of sin
Paul in the above is a slave of sin, but he says
For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace
So clearly as the Paul in Rom7:14-25 was a slave to sin, he must have been speaking of his life when he was under the law
People then say you believe in sinless perfection, not true at all
In reality we are all between where Paul was then and perfection in the flesh
Remeber what he said:
He had the desire to do what is good but could not carry it out
Is there any Christian on cc who believes they can never do what is right?
I doubt it. And if they did they must be under law.
And if Paul in verses 14-25 was speaking in the present as it were, he would be demanding of others in his letters what he came nowhere near to seeing in his own life. That does not sound to me like Paul
The good news for us is that even when we are faithless Christ remains faithful for he cannot disown his own. But God will allow situations to develop in our lives i
f we are unfaithful that bring us runnig back to him as we see the result of our folly, ever more willing to bow the knee
If a person disowned Christ, that is different, but I think it is mostly, if not always a case of us being faithless at times.
Although Paul may appear to be speaking in the present tense, I would say it is plain he is just continuing on from what he had been saying in verses 7-11. He is showing the result in his own life of what happened when he lived under the law. Bearing in mind he wrote Romans later in his life, would we really think the following was Paul for the whole of his Christian life?
He is sold as a slave to sin(yet in the previous chapter, he says if you are sold as a slave to sin this leads to death)
What he wants to do he cannot do but what he hates to do he keeps on doing
He has the desire to do what is good but he cannot carry it out
What he does is not the good he wants to do, but rather the evil he does not want to do, this he keeps on doing.
He is a prisoner of the law of sin
Paul in the above is a slave of sin, but he says
For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace
So clearly as the Paul in Rom7:14-25 was a slave to sin, he must have been speaking of his life when he was under the law
People then say you believe in sinless perfection, not true at all
In reality we are all between where Paul was then and perfection in the flesh
Remeber what he said:
He had the desire to do what is good but could not carry it out
Is there any Christian on cc who believes they can never do what is right?
I doubt it. And if they did they must be under law.
And if Paul in verses 14-25 was speaking in the present as it were, he would be demanding of others in his letters what he came nowhere near to seeing in his own life. That does not sound to me like Paul
The good news for us is that even when we are faithless Christ remains faithful for he cannot disown his own. But God will allow situations to develop in our lives i
f we are unfaithful that bring us runnig back to him as we see the result of our folly, ever more willing to bow the knee
If a person disowned Christ, that is different, but I think it is mostly, if not always a case of us being faithless at times.
Hi Ellie
I agree, sanctification is by the Spirit. I don't know if you were resoponding to my post in the above. I realise I did not mention the Holy Spirit in it as I was just meaning to generally refer to my belief as to when in his life Paul was speaking of in Rom7:14-25. I do in most of my posts on this subject stress the importance of the role of the Spirit, but if I misled anyone by failing to do so in this instance I can only sincerely apologise
I agree, sanctification is by the Spirit. I don't know if you were resoponding to my post in the above. I realise I did not mention the Holy Spirit in it as I was just meaning to generally refer to my belief as to when in his life Paul was speaking of in Rom7:14-25. I do in most of my posts on this subject stress the importance of the role of the Spirit, but if I misled anyone by failing to do so in this instance I can only sincerely apologise
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Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?
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My answer to that question is an unequivocal YES!
My answer to that question is an unequivocal YES!
It seems that scripture in James has to do with putting off the old man [flesh] with the word of God and putting on the new man, which is created in righteousness. Isaiah - the person apparently was with God at one time because it says: let him return unto the Lord, for he will abundantly pardon. I don't believe anyone has said that we continue to live in sin but we come to God just as we are. . . .Just as I am. . .but that thy blood was shed for me and that thou biddest me come to thee Oh Lamb of God . . I come.
We come to God just as we are. . . We repent and we are forgiven and become a part of the household of God. We are born again with God's spirit and he through the holy spirit works in us to perfect [mature] us - It is a growing process. Just as children grow our walk with God grows - For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
For this cause also thank we god without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
It is the holy spirit working in us and scripture that perfects [matures] us unto all good works - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
There's just one other thing I would like to say - if we attack a new believer with "you have to stop this or that" we hurt their new relationship with God by legalism - We encourage, we exhort with the word but we never belittle someone because they may be slow in letting go of some behavior that is not the best for them - we leave that to the word of God to convict, and to the Holy Spirit to convict. BTW, for some of the self righteous responses: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . . .
A lot of varied answers in this thread.
What is clearly evident is that many people, in their minds, disconnect "yielding to God" from "forgiveness."
Isaiah said this...
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah clearly stated, without question, that if a wicked and unrighteous man forsakes his way and his thoughts and returns to the Lord then the Lord will have mercy and grant pardon.
Many people simply do not believe that verse applies to them. They believes in various doctrines which negate the plain words of Isaiah.
We read in Proverbs this verse...
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
If that verse is applied to the pornography addict then it is very clear that a pornography addict must confess and forsake his sins in order for forgiveness to be granted. Yet it is clearly evident that many people don't believe that verse applies either.
Jesus gave a parable of the Prodigal Son it is very clear that the prodigal son forsook the pig pen and confessed his sins to his father BEFORE he was restored.
Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Right before Jesus told that parable He said this...
Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Yet so many who profess to "believe the Bible" hold to a doctrine where forgiveness can be granted IN THE PIG PEN.
Psychomom asked this question...
Well the Holy Spirit is already in the world convicting of sin, righteousness and judgment. If one who is engaged in sin is to yield to that conviction then this will happen...
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
A godly sorrow will begin to manifest which will work a genuine repentance experience. The prodigal son experienced godly sorrow in the pig pen which resulted in a genuine repentance where his mind changed regarding his rebellion. Due to this change of mind he left the pig pen and sought mercy from his father. Is it any different for a pornography addict?
Paul listed some of the fruits of a godly sorrow...
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Godly sorrow produces a carefulness, a clearing, indignation, fear, a vehement desire, zeal and revenge. Then in the end Paul says it produced a clearing of oneself in the matter (of sin).
Clear in the Greek is...
Clear - G53 - hagnos
From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: - chaste, clean, pure.
Is there a clearing if one is still engaged in the act of viewing pornography? There most certainly cannot be.
Has repentance been redefined in the modern era of church theology? Has the fruit of a godly sorrow that WORKS a repentance UNTO salvation been eliminated from the modern gospel message?
I'll leave that one for you all to figure out.
Note:- Regarding Psychmom's question. If it were true that true righteousness was manifested via an individual yielding to the Spirit of God would not repentance be a dynamic by which one is brought into a state of yielding?
What is clearly evident is that many people, in their minds, disconnect "yielding to God" from "forgiveness."
Isaiah said this...
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah clearly stated, without question, that if a wicked and unrighteous man forsakes his way and his thoughts and returns to the Lord then the Lord will have mercy and grant pardon.
Many people simply do not believe that verse applies to them. They believes in various doctrines which negate the plain words of Isaiah.
We read in Proverbs this verse...
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
If that verse is applied to the pornography addict then it is very clear that a pornography addict must confess and forsake his sins in order for forgiveness to be granted. Yet it is clearly evident that many people don't believe that verse applies either.
Jesus gave a parable of the Prodigal Son it is very clear that the prodigal son forsook the pig pen and confessed his sins to his father BEFORE he was restored.
Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Right before Jesus told that parable He said this...
Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Yet so many who profess to "believe the Bible" hold to a doctrine where forgiveness can be granted IN THE PIG PEN.
Psychomom asked this question...
Well the Holy Spirit is already in the world convicting of sin, righteousness and judgment. If one who is engaged in sin is to yield to that conviction then this will happen...
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
A godly sorrow will begin to manifest which will work a genuine repentance experience. The prodigal son experienced godly sorrow in the pig pen which resulted in a genuine repentance where his mind changed regarding his rebellion. Due to this change of mind he left the pig pen and sought mercy from his father. Is it any different for a pornography addict?
Paul listed some of the fruits of a godly sorrow...
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Godly sorrow produces a carefulness, a clearing, indignation, fear, a vehement desire, zeal and revenge. Then in the end Paul says it produced a clearing of oneself in the matter (of sin).
Clear in the Greek is...
Clear - G53 - hagnos
From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: - chaste, clean, pure.
Is there a clearing if one is still engaged in the act of viewing pornography? There most certainly cannot be.
Has repentance been redefined in the modern era of church theology? Has the fruit of a godly sorrow that WORKS a repentance UNTO salvation been eliminated from the modern gospel message?
I'll leave that one for you all to figure out.
Note:- Regarding Psychmom's question. If it were true that true righteousness was manifested via an individual yielding to the Spirit of God would not repentance be a dynamic by which one is brought into a state of yielding?
has Skinski resolved his obsession with yetzer hara (Hebrew: יצר הרע for the definite "the evil inclination"), or yetzer ra (Hebrew: יצר רע for the indefinite "an evil inclination") refers to the inclination to do evil, by violating the will of God. The term is drawn from the phrase "the imagination of the heart of man [is] evil" (Hebrew: יֵצֶר לֵב הָאָדָם רַע,yetzer lev-ha-adam ra), which occurs twice in the Hebrew Bible, at Genesis 6:5 and 8:21, yet
can i get a summary?
can i get a summary?
has Skinski resolved his obsession with yetzer hara (Hebrew: יצר הרע for the definite "the evil inclination"), or yetzer ra (Hebrew: יצר רע for the indefinite "an evil inclination") refers to the inclination to do evil, by violating the will of God. The term is drawn from the phrase "the imagination of the heart of man [is] evil" (Hebrew: יֵצֶר לֵב הָאָדָם רַע,yetzer lev-ha-adam ra), which occurs twice in the Hebrew Bible, at Genesis 6:5 and 8:21, yet
can i get a summary?
can i get a summary?
Judaism holds to Yetzer Ra and Yetzer Tov. Yetzer Ra defined as "evil inclination" in a context of one being drawn away by the passions of the flesh in order to violate Yetzer Tov which is the moral conscience.
Yetzer Ra is temptation not evil in and of itself. Sin is when one YIELDS to it.
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Cain sinned because he yielded to fleshly passions instead of ruling over his fleshly passions like God told Him to do.
Thus...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sin is brought forth when one yields to the lusts of the flesh in violation of conscience.
Those who are Christ's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
and thus...
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Therefore...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
All clear scriptures.
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sin is brought forth when one yields to the lusts of the flesh in violation of conscience.
Those who are Christ's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
and thus...
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Therefore...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
All clear scriptures.
Skinski
How about, just to do something different for a change, to break out of the mould as it were, see if you could go one day on this website discussing a different topic. It would do you good!
There's some interesting threads around. Then you can come back to your holiness debates, fresh and reinvigorated as it were.
There's a thread entitled
'Ten horns of the leopard bear Lion'
Why not give that a go
How about, just to do something different for a change, to break out of the mould as it were, see if you could go one day on this website discussing a different topic. It would do you good!
There's some interesting threads around. Then you can come back to your holiness debates, fresh and reinvigorated as it were.
There's a thread entitled
'Ten horns of the leopard bear Lion'
Why not give that a go
A
skinski makes alot of good points but to me lacks in teaching
how!
And seems a little unrealistic as much as allows no growth in grace and knowledge.
And the putting on of the new man with relevant scripture. So that a person can
have the victory. Thats why Romans is so long.
Like as if we should have or expect some confidence in out flesh(self will)
Surely a person must be willing to give up his sin to be honest about his repentance.
Is that the only part of the gospel we preach? Is that enough? Isnt there more?
Didnt Paul say he was a nurse to his converts?
how!
And seems a little unrealistic as much as allows no growth in grace and knowledge.
And the putting on of the new man with relevant scripture. So that a person can
have the victory. Thats why Romans is so long.
Like as if we should have or expect some confidence in out flesh(self will)
Surely a person must be willing to give up his sin to be honest about his repentance.
Is that the only part of the gospel we preach? Is that enough? Isnt there more?
Didnt Paul say he was a nurse to his converts?
A
lusting after a woman is a sin. but its all out there in a westernized culture, pray and continue ti ask God to help you. Also start finding out about eastern cultures, especially the woman from thailand look into a meditation called natural grounding. it will make you lose your desire for wesernized women and porn and truley start to value and have a deeper respect for all women as a whole. It was suggested to me because i had alot of anger issues with women i couldnt stand them and now i know what it must of felt like when Adam first saw Eve she was pure woman not some fake fomous actress or premaddona lol hope it helps.
Thus...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sin is brought forth when one yields to the lusts of the flesh in violation of conscience.
Those who are Christ's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
and thus...
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Therefore...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
All clear scriptures.
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sin is brought forth when one yields to the lusts of the flesh in violation of conscience.
Those who are Christ's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
and thus...
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Therefore...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
All clear scriptures.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? By no means. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
okay skinski.
so the desire; lust; concupiscence.....[sex while unmarried - you said JESUS had this concupiscence,...or for porn, or homosexual attraction, etc] is not sin, right?
just the act....be specific.
While the other topics may be interesting my concern is with people entering the kingdom and the issues which will prevent them, namely sin and the false doctrines which excuse it.
There is no sin in love.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
There is no sin in love.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Thus...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sin is brought forth when one yields to the lusts of the flesh in violation of conscience.
Those who are Christ's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
and thus...
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Therefore...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
All clear scriptures.
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Sin is brought forth when one yields to the lusts of the flesh in violation of conscience.
Those who are Christ's have done this...
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
and thus...
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Therefore...
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
All clear scriptures.
Romans 7:8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead
Actually Skinski, there is something that puzzles me. Why were you so insistent Paul never sinned in Rom7:7-11, for you believe he was speaking of his life pre conversion, not as a Christian