Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

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Hi, I'm studying to shew myself approved unto God and I'm not certain as to whether the rest that still "remaineth therefore...to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9)--written to the Hebrews who were keeping the Sabbath day--was meant to say that they would have "another" rest as in "in addition" ("For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterwards have spoken of another day" - Heb. 4:8) or "another" as in "a different."

...Like if someone gave you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple, and then they handed you a second apple ("another" apple), or if someone handed you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple," and then took the original apple they gave you and then give you a different apple instead ("another apple"). Thanks:)
 

GraceAndTruth

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I guess if you are a Jew then do as the Jews do.
I prefer to follow the example of the apostles and fellowship/worship on Sunday, 1st day of the week.

Keep whatever day you like, the real meaning of worship is that EVERY day is a worship day.
 

Hevosmies

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Another one..............

There is nothing "moral" about not working on a particular day.

ALSO remember to do all the OTHER THINGS the Bible commands for sabbaths, not just resting.
Bring out the sacrifices.
 
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Another one..............
Another one what?

There is nothing "moral" about not working on a particular day.

This I thought may be to do with what Jesus said were the greatest commandments, the first four commandments being to do with loving God and the last six commandments to do with loving others. I'm not attempting to argue either way but simply to understand why Christians still keep 9 out of the 10 but not the 4th, and so I appreciate your comments... May I ask if you would say that Jesus' command that Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind" in Matthew 22:37 might include at least the first three commandments?

ALSO remember to do all the OTHER THINGS the Bible commands for sabbaths, not just resting.
Bring out the sacrifices.
But there is new priesthood new, our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek, the Lord Jesus Christ whereby we may enter into the holy of holies with boldness by His ever-so-precious blood (the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world), and God was never pleased with animal sacrifices anyway... I'm not exactly sure what one thing has to do with the other (as what I've just said is very clear in Scripture but if the weekly 7th day of rest was abolished I'm still searching for it in God's word...) I appreciate your patience for me
 

MattforJesus

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Hi, I'm studying to shew myself approved unto God and I'm not certain as to whether the rest that still "remaineth therefore...to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9)--written to the Hebrews who were keeping the Sabbath day--was meant to say that they would have "another" rest as in "in addition" ("For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterwards have spoken of another day" - Heb. 4:8) or "another" as in "a different."

...Like if someone gave you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple, and then they handed you a second apple ("another" apple), or if someone handed you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple," and then took the original apple they gave you and then give you a different apple instead ("another apple"). Thanks:)
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

When a person receives the Spirit then they have a spiritual rest, but some would not hear, but want to hold unto the physical sabbath.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way including the physical sabbath day, for they were contrary to us, which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation, but the body is of Christ by the Spirit, which is a spiritual rest.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

So since it is a spiritual rest by the Spirit we can come together, and worship everyday, which when the Church started the saints were coming together everyday to praise God, not only on Saturday.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When a person receives the Spirit the kingdom of God is within them, and they belong to the kingdom of God that is spiritual, and not of this physical earth.

God created all things in 6 days, and rested on the 7th day, and instituted the sabbath day as a day of physical rest for the nation of Israel.

But Jesus went away to prepare a place for the saints, which is their final destination to dwell forever, and they are strangers on earth, seeking a new home, and belong to that new earth, and heaven, so they celebrate that creation, which is spiritual, so it is a spiritual rest for them.

When we receive the Spirit we are obeying the sabbath, and it is a spiritual rest in the New Testament.

Like Israel had to obey the physical sabbath as commanded by God, in the New Testament we have to obey the spiritual sabbath, receiving the Spirit, and that spiritual rest as commanded by God, for He commands all people to repent, and acknowledge the truth.

But God said some would not hear.
 

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You'll find many arguments against the Sabbath.
The most popular one is that it is only for the Jews.
God Gave us the Sabbath before there was any Jew or Gentile.
God gave the law not to steal and not to take the Lords name in vain and no one has any issue about them.
There is no place in the bible where the Sabbath was changed and if you study the places that refer to the law being ended it is the ceremonial law that points to Christ that ended at the cross.

Read the following.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

There is still sin around today. When you take away the laws that define what sin is, you are no longer a sinner in your own eyes.

When the commandment comes and reveals sin, i don't like it because my conscience burns. You can do two thing - deny the law and make reasons why those laws do not exist or - repent. By grace alone are we saved but like Paul states we don't make void the law because of grace.

Remember the context, Jesus came to a people that were keeping the laws, But for the wrong motives. They were hypocrites. They wanted Gods protection and wanted to be great (lifted up) in the world. This motive lead them to miss Jesus and they didn't keep the law out of love for God. They didn't see the depth of love in the law. To love there neighbour and Love God is the bases of the laws but they loved themselves.
 

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Yus - when the law ended the sabbath became irrelevant - just as it did when Christians died to the law with Christ.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

By trying to keep the sabbath as a Christian you are commiting adultery by still being married to Moses.
 

TMS

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This subject can get confusing when the bible takes about 1) not keeping the law because we are saved by grace and the law ending at the cross. 2) not making void the law through grace and obeying the law if you love Jesus. The Bible seems the contradict itself.

It makes sense when you understand who Paul was talking to. The context of the times. The Jews were strict about the ceremonial and moral laws and taught that you had to keep them to the finest detail to be saved. Paul understood that the ceremonial laws were a shadow of the cross and that the cross had made them useless. Paul also understood that we are not saved by keeping any laws because we have all failed and come short of righteousness. Christ is our righteousness and by faith in Christ alone can we receive justification (seen as clean) and sanctification (power to overcome). We see another law that can not be done away with. There must be a law pointing out sin today just as there was a law pointing out sin in the days of Adam and Eve. No law = no sin. There is sin today because we need a saviour today so there must be a law. This law can have many names but God gave it to us in the Ten commandments. These are moral laws that have always been here. Don't try to take the 4th command away and exclude it. God left in in the 10 for a reason, He wrote it with His finger for a reason and said REMEMBER it for a reason.

I ask this--- If the law can be changed, why did Jesus need to die?
 

TMS

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Yus - when the law ended the sabbath became irrelevant - just as it did when Christians died to the law with Christ.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

By trying to keep the sabbath as a Christian you are commiting adultery by still being married to Moses.
Is sin still around today? Which law are we breaking that makes us sinners??

We became dead to the consequences of the law because Christ paid the penalty of breaking the law.

If you sin today, Christs blood can cover you. But not law means no blood is needed. I still need the blood of Christ today because there is a law condemning me of sin today.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Notice that the Law is written on our heart and in our minds.

By Christ living in me i become transformed into His image, born again, renewed, the law is a reflection of Gods Character and i will reflect that character when Christ writes the laws in my mind and on my heart.

God is not lawless.

Moses did not give the Sabbath to us, God did.
If you don't commit Adultery with people you know are you obeying the Law? Yes, does mean you are "committing adultery by still being married to Moses"
By not taking the LORDS name in vain are obeying the old covenant?
 
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I still need the blood of Christ today because there is a law condemning me of sin today.
Did you mean to say that the law would be condemning you of sin today had you not the blood of the Lamb of God (and that the law is still in effect but that you're not judged by it but still commanded to keep it)?

Also, I appreciate everyone's feedback, I'm thankful for it and I welcome more... What might also those who read this and care to reply think of Jesus saying to not even think that He came to abolish the law (Mat 5:17) but that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until heaven and earth pass and all is fulfilled (v. 18)? Also, about the meaning of the Greek word 'cheirographon' ('handwriting' in Col. 2:14) as a legal charge against the King of kings (who was falsely accused yet paid for our sins in full once and for all when He suffered and died for us on the cross....) ? Surely by grace through faith are we saved, but did Jesus also, while blotting out the record of sins against God's elect, also blot out His Father's commandments? I certainly have some studying of Scripture to do, thank you all very much for your patience with me...
 

TMS

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By blotting out the law, everyone from that point would not be guilty, and not need Christs blood to save them.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

All have sinned for sin is the transgression of the law and by the law is the knowledge of sin. The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin, yet we establish the law.
 

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What might also those who read this and care to reply think of Jesus saying to not even think that He came to abolish the law (Mat 5:17) but that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until heaven and earth pass and all is fulfilled (v. 18)?
Not one jot nor tittle is removed from the law until all is fulfilled because the law is used to judge and condemn the unrighteous at the end of this age, whereas those who clothe themselves in the righteousness of Christ through the covering of His shed bled through faith in His propitiatory sacrifice on our behalf are not condemned under the law, for we are reconciled to God and have attained to eternal life.

 

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Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?
1. If you would do a search on CC you will probably find a dozen threads about the Sabbath and Sabbatarianism. But firstly, the sabbath was given to Israel, not the Church.

2. While the Sabbath commandment is the 4th commandment, the principles of spiritual Sabbath-keeping were shown to us by Christ, who said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath. Which means that Jesus decides what is genuine Sabbath-keeping and what is not. Therefore through Paul He says: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Col 2:16.17)

3. The example of Christ shows that the true Sabbath would include (1) worship, (2) rest, and (3) good works. Christ consistently and deliberately healed on Sabbath days to show that He is Lord of the Sabbath. And He would not allow the traditions of men to determine the meaning of the Sabbath, when His disciples were rebuked for plucking grains of wheat and eating them on the Sabbath.

4. These Sabbath principles were transferred to the Lord's Day, which then began to be recognized as the Christian Sabbath for a long, long, time.

5. If you wish to go to the extreme, you can observe both the 7th day sabbath (no work or loafing around) and the 8th day Lord's Day (worship), as long as you do not pretend that you are more spiritual than those who simply observe the Lord's Day in all sincerity.

6. The Christian's true Sabbath is the spiritual and eternal rest which is found through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption (Heb 4:3,10,11): For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world... For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
 

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someone must have linked this site to a s.d.a site, they sure do keep coming...............
 

Hevosmies

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If you wish to go to the extreme, you can observe both the 7th day sabbath (no work or loafing around) and the 8th day Lord's Day (worship), as long as you do not pretend that you are more spiritual than those who simply observe the Lord's Day in all sincerity.
I rest every day of the week to make sure I keep the sabbath.
I know some of you are reading this from your work computers instead of resting. Oy vey!

I hate the SDA churches doctrines.The fakeness makes me sick.

"oh we love you :) Saved by grace through faith :)(btw if you dont half-way keep the sabbath and if you go to church on sunday in the future you will get the mark of the beast and go to hell, saved by grace though!)"
 
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someone must have linked this site to a s.d.a site, they sure do keep coming...............
I have an honest question and I'm studying to know the truth of God's word... I just joined hours ago and I've been called "they" and "another one" already...

To those who defend your beliefs, ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you for a reason oft he hope that is in you with meekness and fear, and for your courteous replies I thank you :)
 
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I have an honest question and I'm studying to know the truth of God's word... I just joined hours ago and I've been called "they" and "another one" already...

To those who defend your beliefs, ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you for a reason oft he hope that is in you with meekness and fear, and for your courteous replies I thank you :)
I wouldn't worry over it, probably has not one thing to do with the fact you just joined and immediately started posting only in a Sabbath keeping thread...:sneaky::whistle:;)
 
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I still need the blood of Christ today because there is a law condemning me of sin today.
That's too bad that you're not in Christ! There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus; Romans 8:1.
 
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I wouldn't worry over it, probably has not one thing to do with the fact you just joined and immediately started posting only in a Sabbath keeping thread...:sneaky::whistle:;)
Not worried, all good... Pecentage-wise the replies to my original post have been edifying, give thanks always 🙂 This is like a very important thing if someone doesn’t know... Anyway, a lot of great answers here, it’s seeming to me like the Decalogue was part of the Mosiac covenant which we’re no longer under, but I have lots of study to do, prayers would be awesome —Michael