Does scripture mean ended when it speaks of Christ fulfilling?

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Blik

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The Greek word that is translated by the word “fulfill” is “pleroo”. Go check any good concordance and it will tell you it means to fill up, to accomplish. But, in our modern English vernacular fulfill gives the sense of something that is ended. Rather, the true meaning of fulfill is to “fill full” or “fill up”. If we ask a gas station attendant to “fill ‘er up” (or to pleroo) we do not mean to end it. God does not mean ‘ended’ when we are told that Christ fulfilled. In the same way scripture does not mean “ended” when we are told Christ fulfilled. Scripture means to bring to its fullest extent.

Please tell us if you agree or disagree, and why.
 
Dino246

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Perhaps you could give some evidence beyond your own assertion that "fulfill" carries the sense of "end".

I would agree if you had used the word, "completed", but "ended" is not the same thing.

That said, the Jewish religion ended in AD 70 because its purpose had been fulfilled.
 
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Dino246 said:
Perhaps you could give some evidence beyond your own assertion that "fulfill" carries the sense of "end".

I would agree if you had used the word, "completed", but "ended" is not the same thing.

That said, the Jewish religion ended in AD 70 because its purpose had been fulfilled.
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WOW!!! This interpretation of scripture not only questions whether Paul thought like a Jew or a Roman, but puts the entire OT into question. What exactly was destroyed in AD70 with the temple, did it destroy God's way in the world? What is the "Jewish religion" ? Do we have a new religion in Christ or was Christ always part of our world? Why did God create the Jewish race, and what do they mean to us? We are told that we are not to use rituals that were given to the Jews for their help but to use what they stood for only. Is this the "Jewish religion"? What a can of worms.
 
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Blik said:
WOW!!! This interpretation of scripture not only questions whether Paul thought like a Jew or a Roman, but puts the entire OT into question. What exactly was destroyed in AD70 with the temple, did it destroy God's way in the world? What is the "Jewish religion" ? Do we have a new religion in Christ or was Christ always part of our world? Why did God create the Jewish race, and what do they mean to us? We are told that we are not to use rituals that were given to the Jews for their help but to use what they stood for only. Is this the "Jewish religion"? What a can of worms.
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The Jewish religion required meticulous obedience to the Law as given to Moses. After the destruction of the Temple (and indeed, most of the Israelites), the Jews could not practice their religion anymore. After their centuries of rebellion, God put an end to it.

I said nothing about Paul, or God's way in the world. As for the can of worms, I'm just bringing your attention to what you opened.
 
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Dino246 said:
The Jewish religion required meticulous obedience to the Law as given to Moses. After the destruction of the Temple (and indeed, most of the Israelites), the Jews could not practice their religion anymore. After their centuries of rebellion, God put an end to it.

I said nothing about Paul, or God's way in the world. As for the can of worms, I'm just bringing your attention to what you opened.
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My 95 year old brain must be getting tired out, I brought in Paul, not from your comments but from my current study of his writings, wondering if he wrote as a Jew or gentile. I'm sorry.

I don't think you have captured the essence of the "Jewish religion" as we are told of it being practiced throughout the OT. Even in Christ's day there were many different sects. As Christians we are only interested in the principles of our God, and our God is also their God. They even know of God's grace. Our God has told us he will never forsake them and that they were created for our benefit.

I think you must be thinking of the fleshly practices of the Jews, the Judaism. Way back in the first chapter of Isaiah the Jews were told that such as the practice of sacrifice was not right if it was done like the pagans did, not as God had asked them to use sacrifice. This was many years before our Lord sent Christ. John, in Revelations, spoke of a church whose members were using fleshly circumcision as being truly circumcised, done in error. It was always the truth that worship was to be done in spirit and truth, even when Jews were told to use fleshly practices to help them with their worship.
 
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The original Israel here in this age was headed by God and governed by the Priesthood………..Perhaps it was led by certain chosen men such as Joshua and David, but Israel was a Theocracy, there was never any suchthng as Judaisme. If this is not understood when learning from Jesus, Yeshua, I am afraid nothing is understood.
 
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Blik said:
My 95 year old brain must be getting tired out, I brought in Paul, not from your comments but from my current study of his writings, wondering if he wrote as a Jew or gentile. I'm sorry.

I don't think you have captured the essence of the "Jewish religion" as we are told of it being practiced throughout the OT. Even in Christ's day there were many different sects. As Christians we are only interested in the principles of our God, and our God is also their God. They even know of God's grace. Our God has told us he will never forsake them and that they were created for our benefit.

I think you must be thinking of the fleshly practices of the Jews, the Judaism. Way back in the first chapter of Isaiah the Jews were told that such as the practice of sacrifice was not right if it was done like the pagans did, not as God had asked them to use sacrifice. This was many years before our Lord sent Christ. John, in Revelations, spoke of a church whose members were using fleshly circumcision as being truly circumcised, done in error. It was always the truth that worship was to be done in spirit and truth, even when Jews were told to use fleshly practices to help them with their worship.
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While the Jews did manage to miss the point rather seriously, the fact remains that the Law prescribed outward actions that were no longer possible after 70 AD. The Jewish religion ended.

The outward actions that mark a person as a follower of the Jewish religion are not required of those who are in Christ.
 
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