Does the BIBLE describe a coming Nuclear War?

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VCO

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AND THIS IS LITERAL TOO.

Zechariah 14:1-21 (HCSB)
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You {144,000} will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
10 All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
11 People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
14 Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
15 The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
20 On that day, ⌊the words⌋ HOLY TO THE LORD will be on the bells of the horses. The pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling basins before the altar.
21 Every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts. Everyone who sacrifices will come and take some of the pots to cook in. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.
 

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OKAY, let me POSE another question.

Do I think, Born Again Christians will get to see the start of World War III?

Since I believe in a PRE-Tribulation RAPTURE, 100%, and WWIII is Part of the Great Tribulation, the answer to that question is absolutely: NO!

The War that the LORD coming back to destroy Nations at Attached Israel, is not Part WWIII, that war ended with the invading armies LOOTING JERUSALEM.

Let me Prove that statement to you.

Zechariah 14:1-9 (NLT2)
1 Watch, for the day of the LORD is coming when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you!
2 I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. (That is WWIII.) The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past. (After WWIII has Ended.)
4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south.
5 You will flee through this valley, for it will reach across to Azal. Yes, you will flee as you did from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all his holy ones with him.
6 On that day the sources of light will no longer shine,
7 yet there will be continuous day! Only the LORD knows how this could happen. There will be no normal day and night, for at evening time it will still be light.
8 On that day life-giving waters will flow out from Jerusalem, half toward the Dead Sea and half toward the Mediterranean, flowing continuously in both summer and winter.
9 And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day there will be one LORD—his name alone will be worshiped.

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Like I said, that is Part of the Great Tribulation.

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Zechariah 14:5 (NLT2)
5 You will flee through this valley, for it will reach across to Azal. Yes, you will flee as you did from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all his holy ones with him.

Yes, I believe the Bible should be translated LITERALLY, when it is not obviously Symbolism.


How many are SAVED?

More than Some!

LESS than Most!

Because of this Verse:

Mark 3:28 (NASB)
28 "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;"

Trust that JESUS did it all to save you, DO NOT THINK YOUR WORKS CAN SAVE YOU! Those are a way to Love HIM back.
 

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What is Obvious Symbolism:

It is like:

Jeremiah 49:22 (NCV)
22 The LORD is like an eagle swooping down and spreading its wings over the city of Bozrah. . . .

HE is not an Eagle, obvious Symbolism
 

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The 101st airborne division is heading to the Ukranian border with a huge amount of munitions....

Also US Naval assets are being greatly increased in the area.

This is the dumbest thing I have seen yet.

Here in America politics is always decrying about how the "other side is so stupid". And sometimes they are right in that our political leaders get bad advice from people who are absolutely ignorant on what to do.

Russia must be having a similar problem.
Putin invaded Ukraine on bad advice. Really bad advice.

Not that long ago Russia was a strategic partner of NATO. They helped with Afghanistan, Iraq, and North Korea and all sorts of things. They were rapidly working towards being more that just a strategic partner...they were wanting to join.
Now that to them NATO is "bad" they invaded Ukraine and because of Switzerland and Finland they just had an increase of 1000 KM of border increase with full NATO members. Those two joined solely because of Russian aggression. Ukraine has a very long memory....they are never going to forgive Russia for this invasion. Worse than Czech republic or Slovakia even dreamed of.

The Russian economy is in ruins. The lack of oil sales is hurting. The banking issues are overwhelming. The young professional people who could work outside of Russia have left Russia. (Brain drain)

The lack of imports of food, medicines, and clothing is getting worse not better.

Today it must suck to be in Russia....

They have a chance....it's going to be expensive...but they can reverse their fortunes.
 

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The 101st airborne division is heading to the Ukranian border with a huge amount of munitions....

Also US Naval assets are being greatly increased in the area.

This is the dumbest thing I have seen yet.

Here in America politics is always decrying about how the "other side is so stupid". And sometimes they are right in that our political leaders get bad advice from people who are absolutely ignorant on what to do.

Russia must be having a similar problem.
Putin invaded Ukraine on bad advice. Really bad advice.

Not that long ago Russia was a strategic partner of NATO. They helped with Afghanistan, Iraq, and North Korea and all sorts of things. They were rapidly working towards being more that just a strategic partner...they were wanting to join.
Now that to them NATO is "bad" they invaded Ukraine and because of Switzerland and Finland they just had an increase of 1000 KM of border increase with full NATO members. Those two joined solely because of Russian aggression. Ukraine has a very long memory....they are never going to forgive Russia for this invasion. Worse than Czech republic or Slovakia even dreamed of.


The Russian economy is in ruins. The lack of oil sales is hurting. The banking issues are overwhelming. The young professional people who could work outside of Russia have left Russia. (Brain drain)

The lack of imports of food, medicines, and clothing is getting worse not better.

Today it must suck to be in Russia....

They have a chance....it's going to be expensive...but they can reverse their fortunes.

If it is GOD's PLAN, and HIS TIMING, it is not DUMB. It is HIS WILL.

Zechariah 14:2 (NJB)
2 For I shall gather all the nations to Jerusalem for battle. The city will be taken, the houses plundered, the women ravished. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be ejected from the city.

Zechariah 14:5 (NJB)
5 The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. And Yahweh my God will come, and "all" the holy ones with him. {NOTE: This is after the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.}

Not Most, it says ALL the Saints of all time. So much for the Old Testament Saints, not being part of the RAPTURE of the SAINTS. And that PROVES Pre-Trib to be absolutely the TRUTH.

2 Kings 19:25 (ESV)
25 “Have you not heard that I determined it long ago? I planned from days of old what now I bring to pass, that you should turn fortified cities into heaps of ruins,

Isaiah 46:11-12 (NIV)
11 . . . What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.

12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness.


My wife would get so excited talking about the Second Coming, saying "I am going to get to ride a white horse again!" Because she had a back injury and surgery in the early 20's, that Prevented her from ever riding a horse again. The bible says we all ride with Christ coming back from the Wedding of the Lamb.


The Lord called her HOME in November of 2015. I dearly miss her.

Revelation 19:11-16 (NJB)
11 And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse appear; its rider was called Trustworthy and True; in uprightness he judges and makes war.
12 His eyes were flames of fire, and he was crowned with many coronets; the name written on him was known only to himself,
13 his cloak was soaked in blood. He is known by the name, The Word of God.
14 Behind him, dressed in linen of dazzling white, rode the armies of heaven on white horses.
15 From his mouth came a sharp sword with which to strike the unbelievers; he is the one who will rule them with an iron sceptre, and tread out the wine of Almighty God's fierce retribution.
16 On his cloak and on his thigh a name was written: King of kings and Lord of lords.
 

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Zechariah 14:5 (NLT2)
5 You {144,000} will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.

Remember WE are called out to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, even as much as Seven Years before that event. That is clearly GOD dealing with ISRAEL, notice WE COME WITH HIM. Some may teach the ridiculous theory that we are the 144,000, and we go through the Tribulation, even more ridiculous.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 3:10-11 (ESV)
10 Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
11 I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown
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THE ONLY SAFE PLACE IS IN HEAVEN FOR THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB.

Revelation 7:1-8 (ESV)

1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea,
3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.

We are in heaven MONTHS or YEARS before that event.

Joshua 1:5 (NIV)
5 No one will be able to stand up against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.

DO YOU BELIEVE, GOD KEEP HIS PROMISES?


Genesis 17:19 (NCV)
19 God said, “No, Sarah your wife will have a son, and you will name him Isaac. I will make my agreement with him to be an agreement that continues forever with all his descendants.

Deuteronomy 12:28 (NASB)
28 "Be careful to listen to all these words which I command you, so that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God.

Isaiah 57:16 (GW)
16 I will not accuse you forever. I will not be angry with you forever. Otherwise, the spirits, the lives of those I've made, would grow faint in my presence.

Jeremiah 3:12 (HCSB)
12 Go, proclaim these words to the north, and say: Return, unfaithful Israel. ⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration. I will not look on you with anger, for I am unfailing in My love. ⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration. I will not be angry forever.
 

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You know that when GOD Pours out HIS WRATH on whole world, WE ARE IN A PLACE OF SAFETY, in heaven at the Wedding of the Lamb. Most people, including those who think we go through TIBULATION, have no idea or a false idea of how BAD the TRIBULATION OF GOD WILL BE. Most of REVELATION should be translated LITERALLY. Yes their are some of Revelation, that should be translated as Symbolism, but most of it is LITERAL.

Revelation 6:12-17 (NASB)
12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood;
13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth (stars are Meteors so it is LITERAL), as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. (That part is Symbolism.)
14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
(That is Literal.)
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; (EVERY person left will be extremely terrified, but we are in heaven.)
16 and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; (WE are at the Wedding of the Lamb.)
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

I BELIEVE IT WILL HAPPEN LITERALLY:

Massive Meteor Showers!
Earthquakes so massive, every Mount and Island will move!
Shear Terror from the WRATH of GOD THE FATHER and the Lamb!

AND LOOK WHAT ELSE HAPPENS LITERALLY!
You can read it Literally, and it is is Terrifying, Rev. 7:1- Rev. 18:24.

But those who have genuinely surrendered to JESUS CHRIST out of Pure LOVE FOR HIM, totally depending on HIS GRACE for Salvation, you are invited to the Wedding of the LAMB.
 

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For those who think it cannot happen SOON, better read this:

White House: Russian officials visited Iran to view drones
Associated Press - 9h ago
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The White House says Russian officials have visited an airfield in central Iran at least twice in recent weeks to view weapons-capable drones it is looking to acquire for use in its ongoing war in Ukraine.

© Provided by Washington Examiner White House: Russian officials visited Iran to view drones
The administration released the intelligence as President Joe Biden was to meet Saturday with the leaders of six Arab Gulf countries, plus Egypt, Jordan, and Iraq for a regional summit. Biden is expected to lay out a “major statement” explaining his vision for the Middle East as he closes the final leg of a four-day trip meant to bolster U.S. positioning and knit the region together against Iran.


Iran showcased the drones for Russian officials at Kashan Airfield on June 8 and July 15, according to the White House. The administration also released satellite imagery of Shahed-191 and Shahed-129 drones being displayed and in flight on the airfield, while a Russian delegation transport plane was on the ground.
 

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AND THIS IS LITERAL TOO.

Zechariah 14:1-21 (HCSB)
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You {144,000} will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
10 All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
11 People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
14 Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
15 The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
20 On that day, ⌊the words⌋ HOLY TO THE LORD will be on the bells of the horses. The pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling basins before the altar.
21 Every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts. Everyone who sacrifices will come and take some of the pots to cook in. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.
Looking forward to that day.
 

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Looking forward to that day.
I hope I can live long enough to See the Rapture, I am 73. You see I have had 9 strokes, got a Pacemaker put in my chest, and have lived a year longer than any male in my family. The strokes have been 3 major and 6 minis.

If HE calls me HOME early, it will still be a Hallelujah Moment for me. I am sure HE a type of BIG SCREEN for us to watch, and participate in, receiving our GLORIFIED BODY. It is going to be GREAT!

If HE gives us a choice, my house will be on the first big bend on the Crystal River that flow out back of the Throne of GOD.


Guaranteed NO mosquitos or giggers. There is a story behind that thought. I'll tell it to you sometime.
 

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Looking forward to that day.
Here is the REST of the STORY.

Back when I and my wife started to Break Away from the Lutheran Church. We were growing leaps and bounds spiritually through ministries like: Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Ed Young, and Dr. Gil Rugh on TV, and of course Dr. John MacArthur on Christian Radio. All four were the Evangelical type of Pastor, and taught the BIBLE the Same Way. They not only taught the word, but explained what it meant, and how it applied to our lives. It is called Expository Preaching, and it was what I absolutely NEEDED at that time in my life, in the early 80's. Two of the four we Baptists, so in the HUNT for a good Bible Teaching Church, one Sunday we decided to try a local Baptist Church.

That particular Sunday, then had a Missionary from Africa, teaching the Sermon. Toward the End of his sermon, he made this shocking Statement:

"The reason I serve the LORD, is I don't want a little cabin out back on the Crystal River, I want the biggest, fanciest Mansion on the Street of GOLD."

My mouth fell open, in shock. Since when is GREED a reason to serve the Lord.

On the way to the car, I said: "I do not think Greed will be accepted by the Lord, I will take that little Cabin out back on the Crystal River, and be grateful. We will not be back."

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So every time I think about the Cabin on the Crystal River, it looks similar to this.
 

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Russia says they are winning the war, but 75,000 Russians have died in the War.

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Russia's military focus in Ukraine is no longer "only" the east, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said.

What does that threat mean? Is he willing to risk starting WWIII ? ? ?
 

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Do you know what is SAD, is if Israel tried to put the TEMPLE on the so-called Temple Mount. It would START WWIII, for sure.
When I have proven that the TEMPLE belongs on 600 Feet to the South of the Al_Aqsa Mosque Just like Josesphus the Historian SAID.




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And even with the I witnesses to support us. There is cofirmed Truth being shuffled under the table, infavor believing the so called Lie.
 

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Want to hear "When the Rolls are called up Yonder" sung in Russian? This is a group of Christian Russian immigrants, that moved to TEXAS, in a small Town there. I have been listening to them for a long time. The words appear in English at the bottom of the screen. It will bless your socks off, so be prepared:


Now that's better than to talk about war forever,
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Now Simon Khololskiy and his group, they are from Now, in Washington State.
 

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I think I have discovered our March Orders Song to the Wedding of the Lamb?
 

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Some it will be instantaneous, but I think it will take at least as longs as this song.
 

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Oh my, I remember hearing version when I was a kid on Radio.
 

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In SPANISH.