Does the 'revelation of Jesus Christ' bring us HS understanding, as Joyce Meyer says?

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The whole thread is about Joyce Meyers' compassionate response to her people listening to her speak through the Spirit of truth in her, she hopes that her congregation can understand what the Spirit is teaching here; this is what this thread is supposed to be about, LOL, like that's even remotely close to come happened. C'est la vie. The Lord leads :)

And, He is leading me to get it back on track....

Chasten ! Excellent, and, yes, I said in an earlier post that Joyce's interpretation of Jesus' 'walk' down the Villa Dela Rosa with the cross on His back and everyone mocking Him, who were filled with who, people? Satan !! There was only God, who was good, watching Jesus carry His own cross up the hill to Golgotha, where He, the man, Jesus, would be propped up on it by having nails through His hands.

I think SOME of you are just really off in your interpretation understanding of Joyce Meyers, and, no, I am not speaking of what ohzone brouhght up, of Jesus not really going to hell in torture state of mind. I don't believe He did either , of course, He didn't go and suffer, it says in Scripture, Titus or Timohy, that He went to 'minister to the spirits in prison.' Right ? :)

But, yeah, YOU have taken this thread of MINE, led by Him, way off topic and I am reeling it back in :)

What we want to know, 'fishes,' ;) , is IF you think it was a good human response of Joyce Meyers to pray for her congregation to have the HOly Spirit help them understand what she was saying. And, of course, being a tv evangelist, with one of the more popular sermon segments on tv, a ton of people in the world saw her gracious, compassionate ask too :)

Now, someone else said this in another thread, I am just going with it , what do you think, is that such a bad idea?
To me it tells me that Joyce Meyers is filled with the Holy Spirit (that's a good thing by the way, for MY BELIEF. And, again, folk like ohzone, stay out of THIS!, this is doctrine, it won't make sense if you don't think you can get 'drunk' in the Spirit).

I just want to say that the HOly Spirit does lead my life, and, I just have to go forth by faith, walking blind almost, knowing that what He wants me to do is what I need to do. The Lord leads.

Now, jinX, sorry, I really shouldn't mention people's names, but she did put me on 'ignore,' the first such act of that kind, oh, well, and, it happened right after I posted Joyce Meyer's 'Statement Of Faith.' So, with that in mind, I will instead post the confessional of Christ beliefs of Joyce Meyers. So, look at it, and, again, I am sorry if you don't like my way of doctrine believing, but, I believe what I believe, it is what makes me who I am. And, I am His. I pray you believe His way for you, too. John 16:13

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[h=1]List of Confessions by Joyce Meyer[/h] by Joyce Meyer Joyce shares a list of confessions that remind herself of God's love and power.
I love all people, and I am loved by all people.
I prosper in everything I put my hand to. I have prosperity in all areas of my life – spiritually, financially, mentally, and socially.
All my children have lots of Christian friends, and God has set aside a Christian wife or husband for each of them.
All my household are blessed in their deeds: we’re blessed when we come in and when we go out.
I take good care of my body. I eat right, I look good, I feel good, and I weigh what God wants me to weigh.
I operate in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which are tongues and interpretation of tongues, the working of miracles, discerning of spirits, the word of faith, the word of knowledge, the word of wisdom, healings, and prophecy.
I know God’s voice, and I always obey what He tells me.
The love of God has been shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Ghost.
I do all my work excellently and with great prudence – making the most of all of my time.
I am creative because the Holy Spirit lives in me.
I love to pray. I love to praise and worship God.
I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress. I will speak forth the righteousness of God all the day long.
I have humbled myself, and God has exalted me.
I am a giver. It is more blessed to give than to receive. I love to give! I have plenty of money to give away all the time.
I cast all my care on the Lord for He cares for me.
I don’t give the devil a foothold in my life. I resist the devil, and he has to flee from me.
I don’t have a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind.
I am not afraid of the faces of man. I am not afraid of the anger of man.
I am a new creature in Christ: old things have passed away, behold, all things are new.
I have died and have been raised with Christ and am now seated in heavenly places.
I am dead to sin and alive unto righteousness.
I am a doer of the Word. I meditate on the Word all the day long.
I am not passive about anything, but I deal with all things in my life immediately.
I do not judge my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus after the flesh. I am a spiritual man and am judged by no one.
I take every thought captive unto the obedience of Jesus Christ, casting down every imagination, and every high and lofty thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.
I am a responsible person. I enjoy responsibility, and I rise to every responsibility in Jesus.
I have been set free. I am free to love, to worship, to trust with no fear of rejection or of being hurt.
I have compassion and understanding for all people.
I catch the devil in all of his deceitful lies. I cast them down and choose rather to believe the Word of God.
I am anointed of God for ministry. Hallelujah!
Work is good. I enjoy work. Glory!
I have a teachable spirit.
I do not think more highly of myself than I ought to in the flesh.
Pain cannot successfully come against my body because Jesus bore all my pain.
I am a teacher of the Word.
I lay hands on the sick, and they recover.
I do what I say I will do, and I get where I am going on time.
I don’t hurry and rush; I do one thing at a time.
God opens my mouth, and no man can shut it. God shuts my mouth, and no man can open it.
The law of kindness is in my tongue. Gentleness is in my touch. Mercy and compassion is in my hearing.
As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he; therefore, all of my thoughts are positive.
I do not allow the devil to use my spirit as a garbage dump by meditating on negative things that he offers me.
I am a believer not a doubter.
No weapon that is formed against me shall prosper, but every tongue that rises against me in judgment, I shall show to be in the wrong.
I am slow to speak, quick to hear, and slow to anger.
I cast out devils and demons; nothing deadly can hurt me.
I never bind a sister or brother with the words of my mouth.
I am always a positive encouragement. I edify and build up; I never tear down or destroy.
I will cry to God Most High Who performs on my behalf and rewards me.
My son has a sweet personality, and he is not rebellious.
I don’t speak negative things.
My children love to pray and study the Word. They openly and boldly praise God.
My children make right choices according to the Word of God.
I am an obedient wife, and no rebellion operates in me.
My husband is wise. He is the king and priest of our home. He makes Godly decisions.
I use my time wisely. All of my prayer and study time is wisely spent.
I walk in the spirit all of the time.
All that I own is paid for. I owe no man anything except to love him in Christ.
I love to bless people and spread the Gospel.
I am an intercessor.
I receive speaking engagements in person, by phone, and/or by mail every day.
My daughter operates in Godly wisdom and discipline, and she is full of energy.
I never get tired or grow weary when I study the Word, pray, minister, or praise God; but I am alert and full of energy. And as I study, I become more alert and more energized.
I will study the Word of God. I will pray.
I do not hate or walk in unforgiveness.
I do not fear. I am not guilty.
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I believe Jesus went to speak to the spirits who were in prison (Sheoul) when He died and that the veil tore and many prisoners were set free. I want to say 'all' were set free, but will leave it at 'many.' :)

I believe that Joyce Meyers NEVER committed blasphemy, which is a DENIAL of the Holy Spirit. Nope ! She didn'T do that, when she was speaking about Jesus going to hell is what is spoken of.

I believe Joyce Meyer has the Holy Spirit in her and is, therefore, Christ's, sealed with His inheritance, just as Scripture says that those who receive Him are sealed with the promise of inheritance (in the Kingdom of God in Heaven).

I believe that Joyce Meyers is a lady who mostyl speaks to women but men enjoy her ministry too, it's about Jesus, who wouldn't :) There is for YOU a personal relationship with Jesus to be gone through, He will tell you. Many THINK God only speaks to us through Scripture, but He speaks in MANY ways, like taking our son up a hill with a knife and wood and no lamb in sight, taking his only son was Abraham. And, some God speaks too through getting in trouble with a rich dude's wife, of no fault of his own, in fact, the one I'm thinking of did the right thing, fleeeeeeee! But, Joseph still wound up in prison :( Life isn't fair when that kind of stuff happens is it? I mean, just the thought of Abe taking Isaac up that hill, his only son, going with the intent of KILLING him, I mean, Abe kept saying 'the Lord will provide,' but Abe had to be thinking, 'I don't see a lamb for sacrifice. I am going to kill my son. UH-AHHHHHHHH !!!!

Now, last time I got in a heated discussion with a thread like this similar, except about women preachers and teachers not to preach nor teach men , I posted Meyers' statement of faith when someone made an assumption that I, 'in fact,' literally speaking, refuted of Joyce Meyers' God-fearing, God-following, God-faith-filled ministry. So.... she put me on ignore' because of that. Guess the 'truth' hurt.


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[h=1]List of Confessions by Joyce Meyer[/h] by Joyce Meyer Joyce shares a list of confessions that remind herself of God's love and power.
I love all people, and I am loved by all people.
I prosper in everything I put my hand to. I have prosperity in all areas of my life – spiritually, financially, mentally, and socially.
All my children have lots of Christian friends, and God has set aside a Christian wife or husband for each of them.
All my household are blessed in their deeds: we’re blessed when we come in and when we go out.
I take good care of my body. I eat right, I look good, I feel good, and I weigh what God wants me to weigh.
I operate in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which are tongues and interpretation of tongues, the working of miracles, discerning of spirits, the word of faith, the word of knowledge, the word of wisdom, healings, and prophecy.
I know God’s voice, and I always obey what He tells me.
The love of God has been shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Ghost.
I do all my work excellently and with great prudence – making the most of all of my time.
I am creative because the Holy Spirit lives in me.
I love to pray. I love to praise and worship God.
I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress. I will speak forth the righteousness of God all the day long.
I have humbled myself, and God has exalted me.
I am a giver. It is more blessed to give than to receive. I love to give! I have plenty of money to give away all the time.
I cast all my care on the Lord for He cares for me.
I don’t give the devil a foothold in my life. I resist the devil, and he has to flee from me.
I don’t have a spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind.
I am not afraid of the faces of man. I am not afraid of the anger of man.
I am a new creature in Christ: old things have passed away, behold, all things are new.
I have died and have been raised with Christ and am now seated in heavenly places.
I am dead to sin and alive unto righteousness.
I am a doer of the Word. I meditate on the Word all the day long.
I am not passive about anything, but I deal with all things in my life immediately.
I do not judge my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus after the flesh. I am a spiritual man and am judged by no one.
I take every thought captive unto the obedience of Jesus Christ, casting down every imagination, and every high and lofty thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.
I am a responsible person. I enjoy responsibility, and I rise to every responsibility in Jesus.
I have been set free. I am free to love, to worship, to trust with no fear of rejection or of being hurt.
I have compassion and understanding for all people.
I catch the devil in all of his deceitful lies. I cast them down and choose rather to believe the Word of God.
I am anointed of God for ministry. Hallelujah!
Work is good. I enjoy work. Glory!
I have a teachable spirit.
I do not think more highly of myself than I ought to in the flesh.
Pain cannot successfully come against my body because Jesus bore all my pain.
I am a teacher of the Word.
I lay hands on the sick, and they recover.
I do what I say I will do, and I get where I am going on time.
I don’t hurry and rush; I do one thing at a time.
God opens my mouth, and no man can shut it. God shuts my mouth, and no man can open it.
The law of kindness is in my tongue. Gentleness is in my touch. Mercy and compassion is in my hearing.
As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he; therefore, all of my thoughts are positive.
I do not allow the devil to use my spirit as a garbage dump by meditating on negative things that he offers me.
I am a believer not a doubter.
No weapon that is formed against me shall prosper, but every tongue that rises against me in judgment, I shall show to be in the wrong.
I am slow to speak, quick to hear, and slow to anger.
I cast out devils and demons; nothing deadly can hurt me.
I never bind a sister or brother with the words of my mouth.
I am always a positive encouragement. I edify and build up; I never tear down or destroy.
I will cry to God Most High Who performs on my behalf and rewards me.
My son has a sweet personality, and he is not rebellious.
I don’t speak negative things.
My children love to pray and study the Word. They openly and boldly praise God.
My children make right choices according to the Word of God.
I am an obedient wife, and no rebellion operates in me.
My husband is wise. He is the king and priest of our home. He makes Godly decisions.
I use my time wisely. All of my prayer and study time is wisely spent.
I walk in the spirit all of the time.
All that I own is paid for. I owe no man anything except to love him in Christ.
I love to bless people and spread the Gospel.
I am an intercessor.
I receive speaking engagements in person, by phone, and/or by mail every day.
My daughter operates in Godly wisdom and discipline, and she is full of energy.
I never get tired or grow weary when I study the Word, pray, minister, or praise God; but I am alert and full of energy. And as I study, I become more alert and more energized.
I will study the Word of God. I will pray.
I do not hate or walk in unforgiveness.
I do not fear. I am not guilty.
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Anyway, I will try and not have any one else put me on 'ignore,' the Lord leads, some will, I know, that's there own doing, and, I pray the Lord is leading their life, but here is Joyce Meyers' confessions of what she believes in Christ Jesus as her Lord and Saviour :)
 
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did i read correct...a person wont understand meyers teaching or believe it unless
they believe in getting "drunk in the spirit"?
makes sense?
 
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don't get off topic Ab, this thread is only about the awesomeness of Joyce and how awesome Green thinks she is, all other opinions,scriptural or not will not be tolerated. Of coarse I am being sarcastic, but yet it is sort of true.

I believe in gifts of the Spirit and I am not allowed to disagree with MeanGreen either.

MeanGreen, why can you have a doctrinal belief and that makes you who you are and that is what's what, but nobody else can have a different doctrinal view point and have that be who they are and what makes them them and that be ok?

The Machine

PS I feel the Lord is leading me to disagree with your endorsement of Joyce....now what? I'll pray the Lord leads you the way you are supposed to be lead.....God Bless
 
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don't get off topic Ab, this thread is only about the awesomeness of Joyce and how awesome Green thinks she is, all other opinions,scriptural or not will not be tolerated. Of coarse I am being sarcastic, but yet it is sort of true.

I believe in gifts of the Spirit and I am not allowed to disagree with MeanGreen either.

MeanGreen, why can you have a doctrinal belief and that makes you who you are and that is what's what, but nobody else can have a different doctrinal view point and have that be who they are and what makes them them and that be ok?

The Machine

PS I feel the Lord is leading me to disagree with your endorsement of Joyce....now what? I'll pray the Lord leads you the way you are supposed to be lead.....God Bless
IF THE LIGHT IN YOU IS DARKNESS HOW GREAT IS THAT DARKNESS :mad:
Who do you think the Lord is talking to!!! Wake up Green
 
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Peace be with you, to understand SPIRITUAL Teachings one must posses spiritual discernment, if not these Teachings can be considered nonsense to those who do not have (1 Corinthians 2; 13-15).
May be servant Joyce M. is praying for those who do not yet have, so that they may also discern her teachings (Luke 11; 13)?
 
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Peace be with you, to understand SPIRITUAL Teachings one must posses spiritual discernment, if not these Teachings can be considered nonsense to those who do not have (1 Corinthians 2; 13-15).
May be servant Joyce M. is praying for those who do not yet have, so that they may also discern her teachings (Luke 11; 13)?
The heart of the matter is and always will be does her gospel line up with the gospel of Christ? If so no problem if not she is a false teacher. It's not what I say but it is what the Bible says. The plumb we are given is that SHE MUST BE IN LINE with scripture. No ifs,ands or buts about it. So does her gospel line up with scripture? Yes or no.
 
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Peace be with you, make sure you will not be judged by CHRIST. for teachers will be greatly judged. You don't even know me and your first impression stinks like the pattern of this world, lacking humble and humility. GOD bless you.
 
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Peace be with you, make sure you will not be judged by CHRIST. for teachers will be greatly judged. You don't even know me and your first impression stinks like the pattern of this world, lacking humble and humility. GOD bless you.
UMMM But doesn't the Bible say this

2 Timothy 3

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.[SUP]2[/SUP]People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money,boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents,ungrateful, unholy, [SUP]3 [/SUP]without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,[SUP]4 [/SUP]treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— [SUP]5 [/SUP]having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, [SUP]7 [/SUP]always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

Ephesians 5

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light [SUP]9 [/SUP](for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) [SUP]10 [/SUP]and find out what pleases the Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. [SUP]14 [/SUP]This is why it is said:
“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”


[SUP]15 [/SUP]Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, [SUP]16 [/SUP]making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,[SUP]19 [/SUP]speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, [SUP]20 [/SUP]always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 6

These are the things you are to teach and insist on. [SUP]3[/SUP]If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,[SUP]4 [/SUP]they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions [SUP]5 [/SUP]and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

So again does she preach the gospel of Christ or another gospel?
 
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I just want to know why Joyce Meyers can be in the wrong for praying for her congregation to receive revelation of what she's saying to them.
because sometimes the things she says is NOT in the Bible and many believe the spirit within her is not the HOLY Spirit.

I do believe that God sends His Holy Spirit who teaches us, but one should not pray to receive the revelation of what SHE is saying to them but what GOD has already revealed through HIS SON Jesus Christ.

morning Greenie :) luvs ya! hugs. :)
 
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Ariel82

Be careful, this has been brought up and MeanGreen gets upset and says that there is nothing wrong with Joyce and we should not say anything against her ministry. He believes that she is doing Gods word and we are not worthy to judge Joyce in any way. This may sound unscriptural but MeanGreen has vowed to shred any scripture that you may use to prove your point and has stated that he will not tolerate any critique of Joyce or her doctrine.

The Machine
 
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Last night I went to the (Thread Information) below at the bottom of this thread. I didn't know this was available! so I recommend you all to go there and read the posts. Joyce Meyer has already been the topic here on CC since 2007 pro and con. You guys who don't like Joyce Meyer have already been on there too., and now posting the same 1991 recordings like you do on this thread- that JoyceM no longer endorses. That was 22-23 yrs ago! Those of us who have been listening to her have not heard this because she has not preached it. :rolleyes: Is it any wonder we are more up to date in our opinions about Joyce than many of you who don't like her and still depend on those old recordings??

I feel responsible to post this info because of how much Joyce Meyer has helped me in my walk being used of God over the years. Not only me but millions of others have come to Christ as He has used this godly lady. As I read and listened to the posts from 2007-12 on those who appose JM I see they are using the same 1991 recordings to condemn her. Don't you guys feel ashamed? And the words u use to make fun us us, your christian brothers and sisters calling us immature, sad, unbiblical and helping someone spread heresy ????? :(

I think what is so discouraging GreenNnice is the way people run to condemn a Christian sister or brother. Like it's a mission. Why is it not a mission to talk well of others like the Bible says. So many have been lifted up out of the pit by the preaching of many preachers on TV. Many who have been house bound and without family or support. God uses the tv and radio and computer by putting His people there too. What an opportunity to get the Word of God all over the world!! :D And what better place to hear the Word of God but in our homes when we get up in the middle of the night or sitting infront of the tv lonely? What an opportunity!!!!!! Being met where we are. Praise God for His love. Some people would never feel worthy to even go to a church. God meets people where they are and does a work and heals them and then they r able to go out to meet in church.

Prostitutes, theives, mentally and emotionally damaged people and religious people have been touched by the Love of God because condemnation is all they knew all thier lives. Is it any wonder healing for damaged emotions is such a need on our planet?

I agree with you FredJames when you wrote about things being spiritually discerned. We can have all the Bible knowledge, write long college papers on what the Bible says but not understand any of it because it needs to be spiritually decerned. The Holy Spirit must open our eyes of understanding. The Love of God is what draws people not the condemnation of God. He let's us know we are sinners but then He says "For God so loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son., that whosover believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16

We come to Him knowing He will not reject us. His Love is spread abroad in our hearts. :D He loved us when we were by nature children of wrath...
when we were yet sinners Christ died for us. :D We can come boldly to the throne of GRACE :D all because of Jesus and not our own righteousness.

When i was learning to drive, my dad yelled and made me feel unable to ever learn how to drive- pointing out my failure and mistakes constantly. Then I got in the car with my sister in law and she encouraged me and didn't yell. I changed and was able to learn. Gods grace allows us to be who we are -unworthy, and yet He loves us. We come as we are with our sin and our mess. He takes it and gives us His righteousness. He then teaches us how to change by the power of Jesus. :) He said without Him we can do nothing. He is the Vine we are the branches.

The things u posted GreenNnice from Joyce's site about what she believes are the positive things she keeps saying and trusting God to work in her life- reminding herself daily of God's promises to her. Although I don't speak in tongues, i have my own list of truths God has for me in His word and I also pray and say them. Words matter. But terms like positve thinking, name it claim it., have been taken out of context here. TheMachine was ok with me and my interpretation of "name it claim it" maybe because he hadn't judged me yet? but had already judged Joyce by those 1991 recordings?

God is good and He wants us to walk in daily joy. Giving thanks to Him always. The joy of the Lord is our strength. Love others the way we have experienced how God loves us. Copy Him and love our brothers and sisters and the unsaved. We don't have enough information to judge anyone in their hearts. Only God can judge a heart.

Those old recordings must be taken in context with what is preached and taught by joyce today. we can't expect a person to be able to fix all the years of their life and ministry in just a few words. It is always our responsibility to think the best of every person and find out who they are now. -Love covers a multitude of sin., -God didn't send His son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved. I'm typing by memory. God bless you guys.



 
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IF THE LIGHT IN YOU IS DARKNESS HOW GREAT IS THAT DARKNESS :mad:
Who do you think the Lord is talking to!!! Wake up Green
My 'light's' not hidden, doubleUdee :)
did i read correct...a person wont understand meyers teaching or believe it unless
they believe in getting "drunk in the spirit"?
makes sense?
you read incorrect, abidingsquirrel. A person will have His spirit in them, or, all truth won't be revealed to them. Being 'drunk in the spirit' is something that some experience, some don't, don't judge :)

The heart of the matter is and always will be does her gospel line up with the gospel of Christ? If so no problem if not she is a false teacher. It's not what I say but it is what the Bible says. The plumb we are given is that SHE MUST BE IN LINE with scripture. No ifs,ands or buts about it. So does her gospel line up with scripture? Yes or no.
Yes, it is in line with Scripture, like I've been saying all along in this thread, sarahm7s, we are human, we have humanity in us, and, it's not good, none of it, if you read Romans 3 you will understand that truth. We ALL sin, but we are also ALL covered by the blood of Christ, we are cleansed from all unrighteousness. Without the shedding of 'blood,' there is no freedom for man. Christ's blood set the captives' free, the veil was torn. This is NOT symbolic meaning, this is not 'dispensational,' as some like to call it, it is literal, truth :) Joyce Meyers, in her ministry, unveils the truth, she does not false teach, she embellishes, as do ALL pastors, they all add their own HUMANITY to their sermons, their own DESCRIPTIONS of how things went, LIKE Joyce Meyer describes of Jesus' carrying His own cross and others mocking Jesus as He went in His humanity to His own torture, as humanity, some who probably loved him surely began to shout insults at Him, and, Satan DID love that seeing of Jesus' treatment by mankind 'killing' Him.

Go listen to her sermon on television right now, sarahsarah, milady, and, puh-leeeeaase, don't do what one person decided to do on this thread (which was completely off topic by the way, oh course, I'm not mentioning any names, ohzone :D, oh I love ya, you know it, milady :) ) did, sarahm7s.

But, yeah, no fruit in regurgitating old stuff that Meyers did. Like I said, she could have made mistakes because we ALL have made past mistakes. Jesus forgives us though, surely, He forgave Meyers if she WAS preaching Scripture not in line with the Word she studies daily. S0 , why do you persecute her over this, I mean, how many posts belittled her for her 'Jesus going to Hell' sermon that they didn't like. Asinine. How many ? Why not just take it to God and get over it then? Why not NOW see what she is doing in her sermons??? So, you don't agree with her doctrine, her 'drunk in the Spirit' teaching, fine? Don't listen to it, but, surely, donn't call her a viper and a poison and blah this, blah that. :( That is the opposite of 'Love,' and, your comments have nothing to do with judging Joyce Meyers' rightenousness, that is, her right standing with God. You just don't believe what she believes. OK? So what? Move on !!!!!!! :)


To Machined: I believe that Joyce Meyers has the Holy Spirit in her and, to you, anariel, milady, , I believe that she is speaking in the Spirit. Not going to go back to her interpretation of Jesus in hell, but what Meyers speaks of her description of Jesus being flogged and mocked (Satan puts these kinds of evils in our mouths) is dead-on correct. Satan watched and laughed and was saying things like , 'What are you going to do now, King of the Jews?' Hey, 'The Devil' himself entered Judas, that was the knock that got 'the ball rolling' for Jesus going to be betrayed and killed in a conspiracy plot against Jesus. And, why call me 'meangreen,' what's so mean in saying what I believe, and, NO, I have NEVER knocked you for your beliefs, as I told, tribers, just YOUR judgment on Joyce Meyers that is imbalanced belief, going on her past, a few incidents of then, but NOT on her whole, which is the same foundation as you, I, everyone on c.c. who is a Christian, the foundation is Jesus Christ, He is the rock on whom we stand, on whom we build, and, on whom we should care to read His truth and have His spirit REVEAL (give revelation, understanding) of His truth for us :) , faith fully walking in Him, with Him, in our life, being prepared for any situation He presents us, even asking us to go up a mountain with our only son , with orders from God to kill him. We are not to ask, we are to pray, and, go :) The Lord leads.

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So, hopefully, that last post of mine, as led by Him, i hope and pray this with ALL my posts, don't you know :) I pray it can be some revelation in to who I see Joyce Meyers as, an understanding of her being filled with the Holy Spirit, 'sealed,' just like I pray that you are too. :)
 
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Ezekiel 34:1-10 [SUP]1 [/SUP]And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. [SUP]6 [/SUP]My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; [SUP]8 [/SUP]As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; [SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; [SUP]10 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

Even if the teaching was right, the attitude is wrong when a shepherd feeds off of the flock instead of feeding the flock. This is what makes the majority of televangelists wrong from the start. It's not God's will that they eat the flock. It's not God's will for them to be uncaring for the poor. Some are like a black hole...... everything goes in, and nothing comes out. When televangelists refuse to show their financial records, it's not just to cover up how much money they made........ it's also to cover up the fact that they didn't give anything to other ministries because they themselves are not givers.
 
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Peace be with you, because of Grace and my unworthiness as a servant of GOD for CHRIST who dearly loves HIS lambs and sheeps and goats (to change) as for they also exist among us until the day of harvest (judgement day). On that day with you and me present HE will separate once and for all one's eternal destiny of destinies. After given (also talents) chances and time again and again while here on earth to learn and to grow using the True Life-Giving instruction's of the New Covenant (and also the Old Covenant acting as a custodian to lead one into the New) of the MESSIAH's manual guide(Holy Bible) to workout one's salvation in fear and trembling.
Isn't these are scary to listen to? When are one by the help of the LORD's Holy Scripture receive conviction after conviction of foolishness and then continue/keep/abide in HIS Word encouraged, (after all it is only the FATHER's love and will for HIS children) for one to grow to become wise everyday?
 
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Peace be with you, please judge to distinguish between the spirit of error and the spirit of truth. Remember 'the spirit' and not the person. Use scriptures to justify falsehood in that person with quote of hers and yours for others to clearly understand the statements of falsehood is to be true, to keep/stay away from. This is because in respect, humble and humility to the only Judge who is still of grace and truth?
As it is written; 'No one need to tell to the LORD about others for HE already know everything about them (also you and me).' 'Let vengeance be mine.' 'Do your own work well.'
In the Gospel as it is written, once the disciples (us) of JESUS complained about someone who is not of them was casting out demons out there. Shall they stop that person? JESUS replied; 'Let him be, that he may not speak evil against the kingdom of GOD. Those who are for us are not against us.'
GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST is blessed forever and ever, Amen.
 
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This will probably be the last I post on the topic. Forgive the length of the post.

Ladylynn; like I said in another post, if you or MeanGreen or whomever wish to cheer for and advocate for Joyce M , cool beans, that is your choice. If she has helped you personally awesome!

From my stand point:
To point out a heretical teaching is scriptural also to point out an unbiblical teaching is scriptural and therefore as a brother in Christ I am allowed, according to scripture to point out the err of Joyce Meyer or whatever false teacher is being promoted. We actually have a BIBLICAL responsibilty to do so. I have not verbally attacked anyone in these posts, although I was facetious with MeanGreen but his humor and diction seem to indicate that he is able to handle that as he also dishes it out in kind. I don’t feel ashamed at trying to prevent a person who has never heard of WOF doctrine or the things surrounded in the WOF camp from becoming snared in the trap of false teaching. We are to be our Brothers (and Sisters) keeper. I wouldn’t expect you to feel ashamed at being on the other side of a conversation, regardless if my opinion differed from yours or not.I have been on the other side of the discussion with folks like Zone,Ab and others that I am currently in agreement with on this topic, I would never expect them or me to be shamed in our opposite stances, that would not be loving at all. I would expect them to be encouraged and strengthened in knowing that I want to help them as much as they want to help me in our collective walks with Christ.Our passion on either side shows in the determination we have for our point, which we also see as BIBLICAL points. What is discouraging is watching people defend heretical teaching and using “God told me so” as a means to prevent other opinions from being posted. God Bless your passion for Him and enthusiasm for knowing Him, I pray that you will continue to grow in the knowledge of our Holy Father, His Glorious Son and Wonderful Comforter.

Ok Mr.Green Jeans! Your post #114 is awe inspiring! Well not really, but it is easily picked apart, or as you like to say shredded! I only need your first paragraph so here it is:

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” Yes, it is in line with Scripture, like I've been saying all along in this thread, sarahm7s, we are human, we have humanity in us, and, it's not good, none of it, if you read Romans 3 you will understand that truth. We ALL sin, but we are also ALL covered by the blood of Christ, we are cleansed from all unrighteousness. Without the shedding of 'blood,' there is no freedom for man. Christ's blood set the captives' free, the veil was torn. This is NOT symbolic meaning, this is not 'dispensational,' as some like to call it, it is literal, truth
Joyce Meyers, in her ministry, unveils the truth, she does not false teach, she embellishes, as do ALL pastors, they all add their own HUMANITY to their sermons, their own DESCRIPTIONS of how things went, LIKE Joyce Meyer describes of Jesus' carrying His own cross and others mocking Jesus as He went in His humanity to His own torture, as humanity, some who probably loved him surely began to shout insults at Him, and, Satan DID love that seeing of Jesus' treatment by mankind 'killing' Him.”


No it isn’t in line with scripture, no it isn’t. Christ was not pummeled by demons in hell. That is NOT in scripture, hence it is a fabrication or ADDITION to scripture which is also , you guessed it, un-scriptural. You say that we are human and that is bad and hence “we ALL sin” and since this is the case, Joyce is allowed to make an error or “embellish” Scripture for theatrical effect and she is forgiven by the blood.

First off, if she is “in line with Scripture” what does she need forgiveness for????

Ahhh, but wait I now present to you some awesomeness! I don’t have to oppose your point here, I actually agree with you on this point (we all need forgiveness and WE ALL SIN) BUT Joyce doesn't agree with US, And I quote Joyce” I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore . And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I’m righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.””
Joyce doesn’t sin Green hence she is not human as you say she is and certainly not bad(she’s in fact (or fiction) righteous!), as you said she is and she does not understand the Scripture you pointed out! Romans 3. Doesn’t understand Romans 3 the way you and I do, yet preaches to millions with YOUR glowing endorsement.

And with one foul quote your new (and I believe Ladylynn mentioned it also) defense of these missteps by Joyce by saying that they were way in the past gets SMOKED because that quote is from 2004.
And because I know you like and know the Scriptures very well let’s quote 1[SUP]st[/SUP] John 1:8-10 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN,WE DECEIVE OURSELVES,AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US. I don’t need you to translate the greek language here, the point is clear.
And just so’s you don’t go thinking I’m gonna hang my hat on just one heretical deception that is more recent than 1993 let’s look into this a bit more.
Here are the following Joyce excerpts and availability:

The blame game started in the Garden. Adam blamed God, 'The woman you gave me.' You know what? Adam was the head of the house, if he was standing there why didn't he say something? Why didn't he say something? Why didn't he do something? I'm not taking that rap anymore! You know the Bible doesn't even necessarily say that God told Eve not to eat of that tree. He told Adam. Maybe Adam didn't tell Eve, I don't know.”

This gem is currently available via amazon.com and joycemeyer.org . Not disavowed but sold today as truth.
Greeny Gen 3:2-3 says that Eve spoke to the serpent “ but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,God has said,”You shall not eat it, nor touch it, lest you die.”WOW! Is that the embellishment that you speak of, or is there a Hebrew mistype in Genesis 3 :2-3? I know there isn’t you don’t have to answer. If Eve wasn't told by God or Adam how was she able to tell the serpent??????

You got a storage bin, a storage locker in heaven that has a lot of stuff in it that needs to be claimed.”

Also 2004 and also currently available on amazon and her website.

We both know that we can’t transfer our heavenly treasures down to earth, right? Scripture says that earthy treasures fade away and get rusty and we aren’t to want them, and nowhere are we to beckon our heavenly treasures here.

words are containers for power they carry creative or destructive power positive or negative power so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow”

God is God and God is good! We don’t follow Him so good things can happen in our lives, He is our good thing happening ,Amen?, and all temporal issues are not to be focused on. We both know that was Paul who said that. And for the record and to stay on point that was 2003 and currently available at the same 2 websites…..

So you see WHY I cannot endorse JM to anybody. I believe that she sows candy laced with poison and calls it good because it is colorful and sweet, yet there is poison in it and enough poison will hurt you. You may think she is Super Spiritual and your Faith Statements that you posted from her website also tell me that she too thinks she is Super Spiritual, but because of her CONSTITENT need to stray away from, add to, or detract from the Holy Bible, for whatever reason, shows me that this tree has some bad fruit on it. Bad Trees cannot bear good fruit, regardless of the millions of people who say look at all that fruit! If the fruit is bad it is pointless. God Bless you GreenNice and I hope and pray that you see that I too am being led by Him and am posting with nothing but love for Him and His children, of which I count myself and yourself by the gift of His grace…..

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Excellent work Machine!