Does the 'revelation of Jesus Christ' bring us HS understanding, as Joyce Meyer says?

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I made bold the belief in ONE God part because some think that because Joyce Meyers said that the Son of God was dead IS not what she belives, she believes in ONE God..... :)

The audio of 'Jesus in hell' from 20 years ago recorded message may be not right exactly in all parts, (all sermoners make mistakes, it's called 'humanity,' what Jesus showed us on Earth, by the way :) ) , Anyway, she BELIEVES in ONE God... ./ Got that? One God :) Jesus is God

UMM Green the Muslims believe in one God also,does that mean believe in the one true God?
 
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UMM Green the Muslims believe in one God also,does that mean believe in the one true God?
Read Joyce statement of faith, you will get your own answer to your strange question there, sarahem7s :)
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oh, by the way, machined, I gave you your nic based on being a finely oiled machine. you know, 'machined,' but is a travesty to see that kind of slander of me said, but, like I said, it's forgiven and I am SURE and certain, 100% sure, you will NOT slander me and abiding won't 'like' posts that slander others either, that's not provoking you I hope and pray, that's just speaking truth. Revelation? The Lord leads. We are to Love Him with all our everything and love others next, so, name-calling is OUT :)
 

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...not being facetious, but your friend that died, sorry she did, she's in Heaven now, we can hope and pray, but hopefully you did NOT mock her because she had the faith of Abraham
i wish for this one quick moment i could meet you on the street.
you wouldn't like it at all.
 
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ohzone, c'Mon, c'Mon, you, too??

He called me a disparaging take on my name?? No?
'Meangreen' is a juice drink? oh, really, LOL.

HEY! Wake up, ohzone, it was mean!!! But, yeah, we all slam each other's doctrine on here. but person? WHEN have I slammed YOU personally, ohzone?? Nevvvvver. But, yeah, sure, nice thing to say, real Love there , ohzone, and, oh, zone, WHAT would you say to me on the street?? oh, zone, I know, the Lord leads, you just having an in-abiding moment to support slander on people on c.c. no worries, you are forgiven. The Lord forgives as soon as you GIVE 'it' to Him. *green realizes the revelation of discipline for wrong words said to a fellow Christian and Christ believer as Hisself is REALLY touched some nerves. Well then, IF you make disparaging mark's to person's person , the Lord knows, I just go with what I believe Lord's shown me for Holy Spirit revelation, the thread us supposed to be about revelation about Jesus Christ on your life. His Spirit who LIVES in you leading you, in SPIRIT and in TRUTH . :)

Machines, your forgiven, man, God forgives you but your attack on ME because of what I simply believe along with Meyers is your choice to 100% come clean. again, I box everyone, and, its NOT disparaging, and, IF it is, TELL ME, I will call you something else. simple. be nice, Love others as you would yourself and God is first Loved by you, but you are to love others or you don't know Him. :(
 
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Joyce Meyers prayed that the congregation would be enlightened to the revelation that she felt she had received from the Lord. That isn't necessarily bad, but I would personally be very wary of listening to her 'revealed revelation' when she has been quoted as saying some things that are vastly incorrect. Here is an example...

"He (Jesus) could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin."

I would ask Mrs. Meyers: at what point is God able to stop being God? :confused:

Some would even call this heresy.
Joyce is not perfect, just forgiven, hopesprung :) she has Him living in her, and, IF she Does not, God be the judge. He LIVES in us :) He reveals ALL to us. All. Joyce does not act like antichrist to me, shepreaching how word and al of of what ohzone brought up of her sermons was REALLY dated, like 20 years ago. hmmm, please, see her statement of faith now, I say ')
 
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all i know is that in the book of acts they sold property to help one another, rather than take money of poor people to build their mansions.
 

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ohzone, c'Mon, c'Mon, you, too??

He called me a disparaging take on my name?? No?
'Meangreen' is a juice drink? oh, really, LOL.

HEY! Wake up, ohzone, it was mean!!! But, yeah, we all slam each other's doctrine on here. but person? WHEN have I slammed YOU personally, ohzone?? Nevvvvver. But, yeah, sure, nice thing to say, real Love there , ohzone, and, oh, zone, WHAT would you say to me on the street?? oh, zone, I know, the Lord leads, you just having an in-abiding moment to support slander on people on c.c. no worries, you are forgiven. The Lord forgives as soon as you GIVE 'it' to Him. *green realizes the revelation of discipline for wrong words said to a fellow Christian and Christ believer as Hisself is REALLY touched some nerves. Well then, IF you make disparaging mark's to person's person , the Lord knows, I just go with what I believe Lord's shown me for Holy Spirit revelation, the thread us supposed to be about revelation about Jesus Christ on your life. His Spirit who LIVES in you leading you, in SPIRIT and in TRUTH . :)

Machines, your forgiven, man, God forgives you but your attack on ME because of what I simply believe along with Meyers is your choice to 100% come clean. again, I box everyone, and, its NOT disparaging, and, IF it is, TELL ME, I will call you something else. simple. be nice, Love others as you would yourself and God is first Loved by you, but you are to love others or you don't know Him. :(
your defense of heretik joyce meyer was at ellie's expense.

"...not being facetious, but your friend that died, sorry she did, she's in Heaven now, we can hope and pray, but hopefully you did NOT mock her because she had the faith of Abraham"

couldn't care less about your squabble with the Machine.
 
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your defense of heretik joyce meyer was at ellie's expense.

"...not being facetious, but your friend that died, sorry she did, she's in Heaven now, we can hope and pray, but hopefully you did NOT mock her because she had the faith of Abraham"

couldn't care less about your squabble with the Machine.
No, it was not at psychomommy's expense, she said that her friend was believing God would save her friend from dying of cancer and God told her that He would get her through and He did not. I simply brought up the story of faith of abraham, ohzone, and, that story could have ended differently, Abraham was a knife-plunge away from killing his son and, because of abraham's faith God counted it as righteousness, which is simply a right standing with God. But......

.....do you think that abraham could have not had faith, saying 'God will provide' going up the mountain, not once, but twice, or three times, to his asking son, Isaac, walking up that mountain. He had faith that God would provide, but there is NO guarantee that we KNOW that God WOULD 100% for sure stop Abraham from killing his son. God did stop Abraham's hand. But could he not of? You bet ! That is what faith is, it's believing in God EVEN AFTER something bad happens. God would have got Abraham through even IF he'd been asked to go through with killing his son, like God did not want to do but knew that the only way to save man to relationship with Him again was to go through with the horrible crucifiction of His only BEGOTTEN Son. That is how God works, and, ellie's friend, hopefully, prayerfully, did not lose FAITH or BLAME God because He did not save her friend from dying to cancer.

Bad things DO happen to good people, who live their life born of God, but God gets them through, as His spirit leads their spirit through the hardship, pain, bad thing that's happened. He knows the EXACT plan for ellie's friend before she was born and her friend's friend died of cancer BECAUSE it was His plan :) How's that for revelation for you, :) and, my post, ohzone, was for encouragement, that was all . The Lord leads :) You're just mis-taking what I said, milady. :)
 
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i wish for this one quick moment i could meet you on the street.
you wouldn't like it at all.
Funny. While reading your posts, I often think the same thing about you meeting me.
 
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Ah, nah, no need for this here ^^^^ , hollyone, let the Lord lead, His Spirit lives in you, let Him lead you where He wants you to go, there's never a need to fight fire with fire, psychomommy hopefully, prayerfully, knows what I meant when I said 'mocking,' I meant that we should not mock another's way of believing in God, and, I just said that I hope she would be supportive to her friend's friends loss despite thinking that God did not really talk to her. friend, and, again, that is just a doctrine difference. (And, YES! Absolutely. I believe God DID talk to her friend, comforting her in her loss, letting her know or STILL WILL let her know WHY her friend had to die :) Our abba Father LEAVES no questions unanswered for us, He always will tell us WHEN we ask Him. So, yes, ellie's friends frienbd surely was comforted by God, who used others to sympathize :) ) Because why? Because, He talks to those who will listen, that's a guarantee, and, Ask ANYTHING IN MY NAME (that's 'IN THE NAME OF JESUS') and it shall be given to you. Now, could a friend die when you ask them to live?? Of course. That 'ask' will be IN according to His WILL for your life :) Sometimes, too, that will of His for you will be tough to stomach :( But, it will STILL be Love, for God is Love :)

, and, He speaks through His spirit working through us, as we take steps
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faith, knowing the road may be tough but it's going to good, walkable, because it's His way for us and He is The Way, the only way Home for us :) "...you follow Me." John 21:22
 
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"Blasphemy" is different than what Joyce Meyers does in your 'Devil' paragraph, ohzone, when one blasphemies it is DENYING God, this above would be considered simply a definition of false teaching, but, if she pulled the sermon off the shelves then she must have saw that what she was saying was false. That said.....

...I do not see what is so wrong here. Jesus the man died, and, THAT is who the Devil THOUGHT He was speaking, too, and, the Devil was mocking and cursing the man on the tree, who WAS feeling human pain on that cross and was feeling the wherewithall and coming-on of human death :( "Cursed is the man who hangs on the tree," right, ohzone, Hebrews, that's Scripture, by the way :D

OK, just kidding around, I know you know your Scripture pretty good, ohzone although sometimes I think you are too historical with the understanding of it all and not revolutionary thinking enough of how God wants to reveal things to you that MAY seem wrong, like, an example, of killing your own son, just because God says so, ala Abraham, Isaac, but, yeah, milady, you just need to pray to Him more, I think, and, the revelation of what's being said right now in this particular thread about Joyce Meyers will come to you and you will understand that Meyers was speaking of THE MAN that the Devil was stomping on and NOT Christ, for God cannot die, He is alpha and omega....... Satan's understanding of Christ was finite, not God's :)
For all we know, maybe the devil did think he'd won. Can anyone prove either way what the devil actually thought during that time?
 
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*Wondering if anyone around here's ever heard of symbolism.*
 
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For all we know, maybe the devil did think he'd won. Can anyone prove either way what the devil actually thought during that time?
Sounds like some truth to that there said, christabelle, milady :)

Who knew ?

Did anyone know but God Himself what His Son Jesus was going through and what Satan was THINKING He was putting Jesus through, but it was all His plan, wasn't it :)
 
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Oh, and, psychomommy, not being facetious, but your friend that died, sorry she did, she's in Heaven now, we can hope and pray, but hopefully you did NOT mock her because she had the faith of Abraham, that she believed God's words to her (revelation? Yes, revelation!!) that God would heal her and she, hopefully, has enough of a faith that NOT all things we go through in life happen PERFECT as we want, but I flat-out guarantee you, things happen PERFECT for His plan for our lives, including your friend who died who prayed, maybe even 'in the name of Jesus,' for her friend to be healed of cancer. Well, God works how He wants in us, and, NOT everyone who gets healing lives. Some die. It's ALL in God's plan. :)

Divine healing is active in the lives of people today through Jesus, who is the Healer. Healing includes physical, mental, emotional and spiritual restoration.



No, it was not at psychomommy's expense, she said that her friend was believing God would save her friend from dying of cancer and God told her that He would get her through and He did not. I simply brought up the story of faith of abraham, ohzone, and, that story could have ended differently, Abraham was a knife-plunge away from killing his son and, because of abraham's faith God counted it as righteousness, which is simply a right standing with God. But......

.....do you think that abraham could have not had faith, saying 'God will provide' going up the mountain, not once, but twice, or three times, to his asking son, Isaac, walking up that mountain. He had faith that God would provide, but there is NO guarantee that we KNOW that God WOULD 100% for sure stop Abraham from killing his son. God did stop Abraham's hand. But could he not of? You bet ! That is what faith is, it's believing in God EVEN AFTER something bad happens. God would have got Abraham through even IF he'd been asked to go through with killing his son, like God did not want to do but knew that the only way to save man to relationship with Him again was to go through with the horrible crucifiction of His only BEGOTTEN Son. That is how God works, and, ellie's friend, hopefully, prayerfully, did not lose FAITH or BLAME God because He did not save her friend from dying to cancer.

Bad things DO happen to good people, who live their life born of God, but God gets them through, as His spirit leads their spirit through the hardship, pain, bad thing that's happened. He knows the EXACT plan for ellie's friend before she was born and her friend's friend died of cancer BECAUSE it was His plan :) How's that for revelation for you, :) and, my post, ohzone, was for encouragement, that was all . The Lord leads :) You're just mis-taking what I said, milady. :)
I'll try to address this. Briefly.

Firstly, to you and to Holly, what zone said, I think, was in defense and out of love for a friend (me ♥).
And she did say, "for this one quick moment". Ever felt that way because you believed a friend whom you love was being attacked? My guess is you both could say, "yes".


Secondly, to compare people who believe the lies of the prosperity 'gospel' to Abraham is patently ridiculous.
Abraham had God's Promise that through his son Isaac the Messiah would come, and Abraham believed that Promise.
He knew that God would be faithful to that specific Promise, no matter what. He knew that if it were to be necessary, God would raise Isaac from the dead in order to fulfill that Promise.

Lastly, no. I certainly did NOT mock this family member, whose sister had died as she did.

mock: (v.) 1) treat with contempt
...............2) imitate with scorn and derision

synonyms: laugh at; make fun; ridicule; spoof

I am not sure how you reconcile the last line of your first post (which I assume is from Joyce Meyers?) with what you said in your second post, though.
Of course God still heals! Just not on command.

That's all I have to say on this matter.

Over and out.
 

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Sounds like some truth to that there said, christabelle, milady :)

Who knew ?

Did anyone know but God Himself what His Son Jesus was going through and what Satan was THINKING He was putting Jesus through, but it was all His plan, wasn't it :)
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SATAN SATAN SATAN????

we owed a debt to GOD - not SATAN.
 
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I just want to get this correct. GreenNnice it is ok for you to call whomever by whatever clever quip you come up with on their name, and they are to never take offense but if you take offense to someone doing the same it must be said in an offensive way by the other person? I told you why I wrote what I wrote take it or leave it. I can't control the way you take it any more than I can control you spewing and cheering the heresy that you choose. You cannot speak of my intent any more than you can speak of Joyce Meyers intent.

You are really trying hard to vilify me, yet you have chosen no real response to any of my posts.
Man up! You have made claim that the Lord is leading you in this argument for Joyce Meyer, yet you don't seem to be doing a great job of it. You just quote her website and post how everyone is to focused on 20 years ago when I gave you more than enough "mistakes" that she has posted on her website today and is SELLING to her "millions of believers".

So stop avoiding the real topic because you think I am a big meany or whatever. I've apologized if I offended you as that was not my intent, I don't need you to express your forgiveness to me every post to everyone you disagree with on this topic, but I would like you to address the real questions being asked of you like an adult, with out mocking or guilt play.
Have a good day GreenNnice.

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I'll try to address this. Briefly.

Firstly, to you and to Holly, what zone said, I think, was in defense and out of love for a friend (me ♥).
And she did say, "for this one quick moment". Ever felt that way because you believed a friend whom you love was being attacked? My guess is you both could say, "yes".


Secondly, to compare people who believe the lies of the prosperity 'gospel' to Abraham is patently ridiculous.
Abraham had God's Promise that through his son Isaac the Messiah would come, and Abraham believed that Promise.
He knew that God would be faithful to that specific Promise, no matter what. He knew that if it were to be necessary, God would raise Isaac from the dead in order to fulfill that Promise.

Lastly, no. I certainly did NOT mock this family member, whose sister had died as she did.

mock: (v.) 1) treat with contempt
...............2) imitate with scorn and derision

synonyms: laugh at; make fun; ridicule; spoof

I am not sure how you reconcile the last line of your first post (which I assume is from Joyce Meyers?) with what you said in your second post, though.
Of course God still heals! Just not on command.

That's all I have to say on this matter.

Over and out.
You can go back to your original post if you want, psychomommy, but you said that your friend was believing that God would heal her friend of cancer and he did not. I just said, I hope you did not mock her for her belief, you put a :( so what's one to think. It's your doctrinal opinion of God not having spoken to her which I simply disagree with.

As for Abraham, I was not speaking to the promise of God's for Messiah's coming through Isaac, although that is a good point to bring up, milady :)

This example of Abraham is one of 'faith,' understanding God's plan from beginning to end of a given situation, as Scripture says, God will never leave us or forsake us, even though it might seem He does when things get REALLY bad in our life. :( But, He is there :)

This again simply speaks of someone (me) who believes that God did, indeed, comfort your friend who had a friend die of cancer. I believe the same as your friend, el, and, it is simple: God speaks to us before, during, after circumstances in our life that are hard to go through, like a family member loved one dying. :)
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machined, I am not villifying you, I simply have to speak because you spoke in the first place, called me 'meangreen.' I do NOT ever, that I know of, disparage someone with their nic I give them, as I said, IF you feel that it's disparaging you, let me know, you will know--quickly--that I will not call you that name anymore.

Machined, thanks for the apology, the Lord leads, it is good we apologize to Him when we know we've wronged someone. I did my accentuation of this 'mean green' situation because it will have you feeling better, in the end, and, more respected on c.c. too, finely bore fellow, plus, it's just not something that needs done when you are disagreeing with someone's doctrine, to ATTACK that person's person; this is a lesson for ALL of us, we are not to do things that hurt others' person because they simply don't think the same way as you regarding God's work done in a woman, in this case, Joyce Meyers, who is now no longer revelation to you, and, I believe the Holy Spirit brings complete understanding to her in her ministry DESPITE, yes, she's made mistakes in the PAST and, even so, now, as you said, machined, I don't want to answer your questions, as I said, they are divisive and not going to be solved by our human understanding of a spiritual matter that God must reveal to you in your heart . And, good news, He will, always, reveal His truth to you, He is ONLY who will reveal His truth to you, and, He can quite easily, He LIVES in you :)

p.s. : I had a pair of blue Levis that I dyed green in high school, wore them many times after that, they were a ripe, pea green color, and, they were with me for many, many years , so, calling me 'green jeans' certainly works for me, bro :)
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I just want to get this correct. GreenNnice it is ok for you to call whomever by whatever clever quip you come up with on their name, and they are to never take offense but if you take offense to someone doing the same it must be said in an offensive way by the other person? I told you why I wrote what I wrote take it or leave it. I can't control the way you take it any more than I can control you spewing and cheering the heresy that you choose. You cannot speak of my intent any more than you can speak of Joyce Meyers intent.

You are really trying hard to vilify me, yet you have chosen no real response to any of my posts.
Man up! You have made claim that the Lord is leading you in this argument for Joyce Meyer, yet you don't seem to be doing a great job of it. You just quote her website and post how everyone is to focused on 20 years ago when I gave you more than enough "mistakes" that she has posted on her website today and is SELLING to her "millions of believers".

So stop avoiding the real topic because you think I am a big meany or whatever. I've apologized if I offended you as that was not my intent, I don't need you to express your forgiveness to me every post to everyone you disagree with on this topic, but I would like you to address the real questions being asked of you like an adult, with out mocking or guilt play.
Have a good day GreenNnice.

The Machine
LOL, anariel, that is one good drink I can tell, by the way, I made a mean-green kale soup in the Vitamix a couple months ago, veggie lovers delight, it was smoooth tasting, like budduh :)
 
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So...we have a family member caught up in the WOF movement. She got cancer, and believed her faith would heal her.
She "claimed" healing.
She believed faith alone was what was required to be made well. Her words were all positive, and she allowed no talk of anything but being made well by her faith.
She believed her sister died of cancer ONLY because she didn't believe hard enough.

We held her funeral yesterday. :(

"The power of life and death is in the tongue" does NOT mean what these people teach it does.
It's a destructive teaching, and not Biblical.
Our family's story is just one of many, sadly, and it kinda makes me angry.

You can go back to your original post if you want, psychomommy, but you said that your friend was believing that God would heal her friend of cancer and he did not. I just said, I hope you did not mock her for her belief, you put a :( so what's one to think. It's your doctrinal opinion of God not having spoken to her which I simply disagree with.

Green...if Almighty God had spoken to ANYONE telling them someone would be physically healed, I, for one, would expect NOTHING LESS than that outcome. I should think any believer would be of that opinion.


This again simply speaks of someone (me) who believes that God did, indeed, comfort your friend who had a friend die of cancer. I believe the same as your friend, el, and, it is simple: God speaks to us before, during, after circumstances in our life that are hard to go through, like a family member loved one dying. :)
Perhaps you might like to go back to my original post.
Too many pronouns? Alow me to rephrase it, I hope more clearly.

We have a family member, Alice, who got caught up in the WOF movement. Alice got cancer, and believed her faith would heal her.
Alice
"claimed" healing. Alice believed faith alone was what was required to be made well. Alice's words were all positive, and Alice allowed no talk of anything but being made well by her faith.
Alice believed her sister died of cancer ONLY because she (her sister) didn't believe hard enough.

We held Alice's funeral yesterday.
:(
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The unhappy face emoticon was because we lost a family member, not because of some 'doctrinal' difference.