Does water baptism save us

[saved1975]

Baptized in Holy Spirit?
Can you tell us of Holy Spirit?
What is Holy Spirit?
Is Holy Spirit merely speaking tongue ?
For instance, The Holy Spirit came upon the 120 disciples at Pentecost, did Perter speak in TONGUE? or just spoke in his language ?

The Holy Spirit is more then speaking in tongues, There are the gifts of the Spirit, 1 Cor 12.
There is sweet fellowship with the Holy Spirit.
He guides us into all truth, He gives us power, He Anoints us. He shows us things to come.

As for tongues, There are eight God given manifestations, [Operations] of tongues that God has given to His Church, And they are all important, Foreign languages Acts 2: 4--11, Being just one of the manifestations of tongues.

Peter spoke in tongues, Acts 2: 4 says they were ALL filled with the Spirit and spoke in tongues, And that would include Peter.

In every Biblical account of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, They all spoke in tongues, Making tongues the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Water baptism is where sins are remitted, Acts 2:38, so how could they be saved BEFORE their sins were remitted?

Acts 10:44 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."

"While" could mean at the beginning, in the middle or near the end of his speaking.

But Acts 11 tells us what "while' means > The Holy Ghost fell on them as Peter began to speak, not during or near the end. In Acts 10:44, Peter did not tell people what to believe or to believe until near the very end of his sermon. And Peter did not tell them what they ought to do, verse 6, how to work righteousness and be accepted with God, v35 until he commanded them to be water baptized.

Acts 10:25 Peter meets with Cornelius and 25-33 Cornelius and Peter are basically having a conversation between themselves then in 33b Cornelius said "we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God v34 Then Peter opened his mouth . . . . and preached the gospel. And WHILE he spake - so while he was speaking. The words are recorded that he spoke. People have to hear the gospel to believe!!!!! [faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God] Peter preached Christ and him crucified in v 38 - the holy Spirit fell on those Gentiles, they spoke with tongues and magnified God v45. THEN, THEN, THEN "Can any forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the holy Spirit as well as we?" v47

Some people will go to any extent to be right. . . . .

 

[peacefulbeliever]

When one approaches the bible with a preconceived mindset, [as faith only], then he does not look to explain the reason/purposes of baptism and God making baptism the point where He saves men, but he looks to try to explain it out of the bible. The preconceived idea (faith only) comes before everything in the bible and the bible has to be made to fit around that preconceived idea.
I do not know why God chose water baptism as the point He saves, nor will I question God on why He did, I just accept it with faith. It could be Naaman wondered and did not understand why God required him to dip in the Jordan river 7 times, or Israel did not understand why they had to march around Jericho's walls and do certain things, the point being, don't question why God wants it done, just do it in faith. God has reasons for the things He does and just because I may not understand them gives me no right to disobey God.

And you could be speaking of yourself, also.

No one has said that we should disobey God. Water does not save you - water does not give birth to a new creation in you - water does not give birth to the spirit that dwells within you. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? The only way the Spirit of God can dwell within you is to be born again of the Spirit. = That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

[saved1975]

Quote, Does water baptism save us ? I read your answers above and I see your confusion of ITEMIZATION that is your problem

The love of God,his grace ,commandments repentance obedience faith fear of God water baptism Mat 21:25 Mark 16:16 acts 2:38 1 Peter 3:21 Preaching the gospel of the kingdom,

All the above are inseparable and you should not ITEMIZE THEM.

1 Tim 6:3-5 V 3. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to WHOLESOME WORDS, even the words of our Lord Jesus
Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, v 4. he is proud,knowing nothing but is obsessed with disputes and
arguments over words, from which come envy,revilling, evil suspicions, e,t,c,... God Bless...

According to the original Greek, Baptism in Mk 16: 16. 1 Pet 3: 21,
Is the expression of our ALREADY salvation, NOT the medium, The symbol, NOT the cause of salvation.

1 Pet 3: 21 says baptism is just a figure, a symbol of salvation.

As For Acts 2: 38. In the Greek there are subjects, verbs, persons and numbers, And they all have to agree in order to build a doctrine, And,
"Repent ye" , And, "You shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost", Both agree in person and number.
Whereas "Be baptised every one of you", Are different persons and numbers, And they don't agree with, "Repent and receive the Holy Ghost".
So there is no way that water baptism saves.
To understand the Bible, You need to know what the Old Testament Hebrew and the New Testament original Greek texts says, As the translators can mislead us.

 

[Hoffco]

I would like to know ,how many of you who don't believe obeying God has a part in our salvation, are not obeying God in church attendance, water bap, witnessing for Jesus. If you fail to do these duties as a Christian, you properly are not saved. Love Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Good translations don't mislead us. New King James ,New Amer Standard are good .the New International is bad. paraphrases can not be trusted.,like The Living Bible. Hoffco

 

[notuptome]

Works are all about our sanctification. Works have no part in our salvation.

God deals with each and every soul on an individual basis. Only God know who has received Christ and who has not. Man cannot determine with absolute certainty the eternal state of another.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Hoffco]

"The water of the word of God saves. Jesus "washes us with the word of God" "born again by the word of God" Hoffco

 

[saved1975]

Good translations don't mislead us. New King James ,New Amer Standard are good .the New International is bad. paraphrases can not be trusted.,like The Living Bible. Hoffco

Every Bible version that I have read, Has mislead us in places.

 

[Linda70]

This is what preconceived ideas create.

Acts 22:16 plainly says Saul would wash away his sins by being baptized and being baptized is calling on the name of the Lord.


Peter quoted Joel's prophecy in acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

This prophecy was fullfiled in Acts 2:38:


Acts 2:21---------call upon the name of the Lord>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saved
Acts 2:38---------repent and be baptized>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>remission of sins


"Saved" is equivalent to "remission of sins", and since there is just one way to be saved, then "calling upon the name of the Lord'" is equivalent to "repent and be baptized".
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Acts 16:34 "And he brought them up into his house, and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, with all his house, having believed in God."

The participle 'having believed' includes ALL the jialer had done, inlcuding his repentance in wshing their stripes and being baptized.

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I do not have the time now, but if you like, we can go over 1 Cor 1 Monday, Lord willing, and see that it is actually proof text for the necessity of water baptism, ok?

This is exactly what false teachers teach. False teachers use Acts 22:16 as they do with Acts 2:38 and other "proof-texts". In light of all of the rest of the New Testament's teaching on this subject,it is a known fact (because Scripture interprets Scripture) that this verse means that Paul's sins were washed away when he called upon the name of the Lord and not when he was baptized (Romans 10:13).

 

[Hoffco]

Works are all about our sanctification. Works have no part in our salvation.

God deals with each and every soul on an individual basis. Only God know who has received Christ and who has not. Man cannot determine with absolute certainty the eternal state of another.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

you speak directly against the very words of God, 2thess.2:13 "...God...chose you for salvation through the sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, WHY are you sooo blind? God has blind you , because you will not receive the whole word of God. Love Hoffco

 

[tnhoot]

No, we are only saved by belief and acceptance in Christ. Water baptism is the step taken by Christians after salvation to signify the death of (sin) and the beginning of life (salvation). It also is an example we follow as Christ himself was baptized by John. It is not required though for salvation, example - the thief on the cross that repented to Christ as they were crucified had no chance for water baptism, yet attained paradise.

 

[Hoffco]

This is exactly what false teachers teach. False teachers use Acts 22:16 as they do with Acts 2:38 and other "proof-texts". In light of all of the rest of the New Testament's teaching on this subject,it is a known fact (because Scripture interprets Scripture) that this verse means that Paul's sins were washed away when he called upon the name of the Lord and not when he was baptized (Romans 10:13).

Sooo, the Bible lied,.? "arise wash away you sins" be baptized calling on the name of the Lord" love hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

No, we are only saved by belief and acceptance in Christ. Water baptism is the step taken by Christians after salvation to signify the death of (sin) and the beginning of life (salvation). It also is an example we follow as Christ himself was baptized by John. It is not required though for salvation, example - the thief on the cross that repented to Christ as they were crucified had no chance for water baptism, yet attained paradise.

I am not saying ,water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, but in the normal way God saves us, it is one of many things God says e must do o be saved, "he that endues to the end will be saved. "fight the good fight of faith" , confess Jesus to men, live holy lives, don't be ashamed of Jesus, all these are required to be saved. love hoffco

 

[Linda70]

Sooo, the Bible lied,.? "arise wash away you sins" be baptized calling on the name of the Lord" love hoffco

When you take that verse out of context, that is the "logic" you come up with. But when you compare Scripture with Scripture, you will be able to understand that Paul was already saved when he called upon the name of the Lord (Romans 10:9-13). Scripture interprets Scripture...and Scripture teaches that "believer's" baptism always FOLLOWS salvation/regeneration. Water never has and never will "wash" away sins. It's the precious blood of Jesus Christ that washes away all sin.

1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

No, the Bible didn't lie.....you folks who teach baptismal regeneration are pulling these verses out of context and not interpreting them according to what the "whole counsel of God" teaches. You are the ones teaching a false doctrine.

 

[Jabberjaw]

You obviously haven't read the Greek that I gave for Acts 2: 38.

Your Greek for Acts 2:38 does not remove the requirement for baptism.

 

[Linda70]

Believer's baptism (by immersion) is an ORDINANCE of the Church. It is NOT a requirement for salvation. It ALWAYS FOLLOWS salvation. We get baptized BECAUSE we are saved, not IN ORDER TO get saved. Don't put the cart before the horse.

The Ethiopian eunuch:

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

The Philippian jailor:

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

The requirement for baptism is repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ....as seen in the case of the Ethiopian eunuch and the Philipppian jailor (and his house). The Word is preached, people BELIEVE, and believer's baptism FOLLOWS....in that order.

 

[Jackson123]

Believer's baptism (by immersion) is an ORDINANCE of the Church. It is NOT a requirement for salvation. It ALWAYS FOLLOWS salvation. We get baptized BECAUSE we are saved, not IN ORDER TO get saved. Don't put the cart before the horse.

The Ethiopian eunuch:

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

The Philippian jailor:

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

The requirement for baptism is repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ....as seen in the case of the Ethiopian eunuch and the Philipppian jailor (and his house). The Word is preached, people BELIEVE, and believer's baptism FOLLOWS....in that order.

Yup, suppose the Ethiopian die before the baptism ritual, He save anyway.

The OT people like Abraham, David or Elijah save without water baptism.

 

[Butch5]

I have a friend that's an alcoholic but he has been water baptized so his church says he is saved and that's where grace comes in

While water baptism is the way in which one obeys the Gospel and Peter did say that baptism saves, one must walk with Christ in obedience. If not the baptism will be of little use.

 

[Cassian]

I am not saying ,water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, but in the normal way God saves us, it is one of many things God says e must do o be saved, "he that endues to the end will be saved. "fight the good fight of faith" , confess Jesus to men, live holy lives, don't be ashamed of Jesus, all these are required to be saved. love hoffco

How can you be saved at all, if not baptised. One cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, which is the Body of Christ UNLESS one be born from above by water and the Spirit. It is why Christ used water for His own baptism, He sanctified water to be used to convey His grace. It is the scriptural definition of being a believer.