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Baptism is a figure, a symbol, a picture. Baptism is not a part of salvation; it is symbolic of salvation. We are saved, not by water going over our bodies, but by faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation, think again.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Water baptism has never saved a soul. It is the blood of Jesus Christ that saves.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
There is no redemption or remission of sin in water baptism.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Water baptism has never saved a soul. It is the blood of Jesus Christ that saves.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
There is no redemption or remission of sin in water baptism.
OT saints were under the OLD LAW where baptism of Christ did not exist, but Peter does say that Noah and those on the ark were baptized by the flood. The hebrew slaves crossing the red sea was also a form of baptism. There is also John's baptism of repentance which was under the Old Law, and there is quite a bit of cleansing with water in Leviticus.
Where in the bible does it say the thief was or was not baptized? It does not. That is pure speculation and adding to scripture.
Where in the bible does it say the thief was or was not baptized? It does not. That is pure speculation and adding to scripture.
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Luke 23:39-43 relates that Jesus said to that unbaptized but repentant theif "TODAY you will be with me in paradise," and this is an example of NT salvation. Also in Acts 10, Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues before they were baptized. Jesus chose Paul as an apostle to the Gentiles before he was baptized.
Have you all actually looked back to see what other's post before you "like" their comments? MAny of you agree with each other yet contradict each other by your posts.
So far I have seen that:
1. Water baptism is completely insignificant and is nothing more than "dunking" your head in water.
2. Baptism doesn't save us, but we are supposed to do it for no main reason.
3. Baptism doesn't save, but we do it in water to be obedient, real baptism has nothing to do with water though
4. Baptism does save, but it isn't in water
5. Every bible version is flawed so no one can get the real truth from any version. We all have to look in greek texts, and if you disagree with me it is because you don't understand the greek texts.
CAn you people please be consistent? God ain't the author of confusion, but yall sure are!
So far I have seen that:
1. Water baptism is completely insignificant and is nothing more than "dunking" your head in water.
2. Baptism doesn't save us, but we are supposed to do it for no main reason.
3. Baptism doesn't save, but we do it in water to be obedient, real baptism has nothing to do with water though
4. Baptism does save, but it isn't in water
5. Every bible version is flawed so no one can get the real truth from any version. We all have to look in greek texts, and if you disagree with me it is because you don't understand the greek texts.
CAn you people please be consistent? God ain't the author of confusion, but yall sure are!
The bible says nothing about whether the theif was baptized or not. Stop adding to scripture.
Recieving the Holy spirit was a sign in the case of Cornelius. he had recieved the spirit just as Peter began speaking, which means he hadn't heard the gospel. How could he believe if Peter had barely started preaching to them? The gifts they recieved was the let the apostle know they were legit and was truly from God.
Recieving the Holy spirit was a sign in the case of Cornelius. he had recieved the spirit just as Peter began speaking, which means he hadn't heard the gospel. How could he believe if Peter had barely started preaching to them? The gifts they recieved was the let the apostle know they were legit and was truly from God.
So Linda you say baptism is not a part of salvation. Would you be interested to know the Jesus, Peter, and Paul disagree with you? Jesus says He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved Mark 16:16. Peter says to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins Acts 2:38 Also Peter says baptism now saves you 1Pet 3:21. Paul was baptized to have his sins washed away Acts 22:16. Paul lets us know that those of us who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ Gal 3:27. And surely we can agree we must be in Christ to be saved right? He also lets us know that its in baptism that we are buried and rise again a new creature in Jesus Christ Rom 6:3ff. I agree it is the blood of Jesus that washes away a persons sins. But as you see in the bible That action happens when a person submits themselves to the Lords will and is baptized for the fogiveness of sins. Why does it say in Acts 2:41 that the 3000 people who were added were added when they were baptized? why not when they simply believed? You can see in Acts 2:47 that the Lord was adding to the church daily. But Acts 2:41 says they were added when they were baptized. So the Lord adds a person to His church, His body when they are baptized right? You say if you think water baptism is necessary for salvation think again. That's interesting that you say that. I guess since you know more than Jesus, Pete, and Paul you need to correct them and correct all the people in the book of acts who were baptized in order to be saved. I see you say that its a symbol, a picture. Tell that to the eunuch in Acts 8:25-39, who after hearing about Jesus immediately wanted to be baptized in water. I wonder why he did. Perhaps to be saved like the 3000 who were saved when they were baptized back in Acts 2. Also why does Peter after acknowledging God is not a God of partiality Acts 10:34,35; order the gentiles to be baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ in Acts 10:47-48? Perhaps so that the gentiles can receive salvation just like the 3000 Jews back in Acts 2 when they were baptized? Many like to quote Ephesians 2:8,9 Which talks about being saved by grace through faith. But notice who Paul is writing to... the Christians at Ephesus 1:1. Whats interesting about this is before Paul tells these people they are saved by grace through faith, notice what happened earlier when Paul came across men from Ephesus in Acts 19:1-6. Notice how the were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in verse 5. But verse 6 shows they had not received the Holy Spirit until Paul laid His hands on them. So what were they baptized in back in verse 5? would it not be baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins like the other people we read about in the new testament? Acts 2:38, Acts 8:12-18, Acts 10:47,48, etc...
Is every body who when to baptism ritual bear the fruit?
John 15:6
[SUP]6[/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. mean not save.
John 15:6
[SUP]6[/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. mean not save.
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Night_Owl,
Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine and that is what you are teaching. Since you posted your entire post in one huge block w/o any breaks, it was difficult for me to follow. But what I did see is that you are trying really hard to push the Oneness Pentecostal (Jesus Only Acts 2:38) doctrine. Tell me, do you also have to come up out of the water "speaking in tongues" in order to be saved?
Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine and that is what you are teaching. Since you posted your entire post in one huge block w/o any breaks, it was difficult for me to follow. But what I did see is that you are trying really hard to push the Oneness Pentecostal (Jesus Only Acts 2:38) doctrine. Tell me, do you also have to come up out of the water "speaking in tongues" in order to be saved?
I don't know about y'all (yeah, I'm from TX), but the one baptism is of the Holy Spirit. The water baptism testifies the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Yes, we are baptized in water, but the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the one that saves. If you are just dunked and don't let the Holy Spirit lead you, then it is fruitless. I acknowledge my hypocrisy. While I let the Holy Spirit lead me in some things, I am reluctant in others. I think that most Christians are this way to some extent. We want to please God, but sometimes He asks things that we are not prepared to do. I don't know too many Christians that would up and leave everything behind to serve the Lord. It does happen but it is rare (comparatively).
May God give us all the strength to give ourselves totally to Him.
May God give us all the strength to give ourselves totally to Him.