Don't have to Follow the Bible Law

[livingbygrace]

that is said by Paul, can u give me the one that is said by Jeusus


This is the one that Jesus Said

Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ​

Luke 16: 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. ​

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. ​

1John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. ​

This is what PAUL Said​

Roman 7: 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God​

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree ​

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. ​

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ​

See also: Rom. 10:4, 3:28, Gal. 3:23-25, 5:2-4, 18, 2:19, 21, 16, 4:10, Eph. 2:15, Col. 2:14, 16, Heb. 7:19, 1 Cor. 8:8 and

Do we thern nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law. Rom3:31

If you understood the message of grace Paul preached you would see that he is showing us how to live as Christ taught us to live
He received his message as a revelastion from Christ himself. But may I put something to you?

Christ was hounded by religious people as a lawbreaker, someone who ignored the law

Steven the first Christian martyr was arrested and dragged before the Sanhedrin and stoned to death., by religious people. One of the reasons? He was ignoring the law.

Paul said. Brothers if I am still preaching circumcision,(ie law) why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished. Gal5:11
Paul was persecuted mainly by religious people

Why do you think Paul saw the law as the offence of the cross?

 

[lightMe]

1John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
This one isn't quoting Jesus, but i'm certain Jesus agrees with it.

I don't think you have an understanding what grace is. God's Riches At Christ's Expence

Here is some differences between Law and Grace:

Law is God prohibiting and requiring; grace is God beseeching and bestowing. Law is a ministry of condemnation; grace, of forgiveness. Law curses; grace redeems from that curse. Law kills; grace makes alive. Law shuts every mouth before God; grace opens every mouth to praise Him. Law puts a great and guilty distance between man and God; grace makes guilty man nigh to God. Law says, "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth"; grace says, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Law says, "Hate thine enemy"; grace says, "Love your enemies, bless them that despitefully use you." Law says, do and live; grace says, believe and live. Law never had a missionary; grace is to be preached to every creature. Law utterly condemns the best man; grace freely justifies the worst (Luke 23:43; Rom. 5:8; ! Tim 1:15; 1 Cor. 6:9-11). Law is a system of probation; grace, of favor. Law stones an adulteress; grace says, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." Under law the sheep dies for the shepherd: under grace the Shepherd dies for the sheep.

God changes the Christian from the inside out , not the other way around. My justification comes from Jesus not my good works. And what laws are we not following?

The law of the OT

 

[livingbygrace]

The law of the OT

Those laws were given to Israel. If you feel that Israelites should keep thoise laws, who am I to argue. But if they are attempted to be kept as a righteousness for acceptance into Heaven the cross of Christ is being ignored.

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing. Rom2:21

 

[charisenexcelcis]

what is the answer for this?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven : but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

"If you sin, He is faithful and just to forgive your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness."

 

[loveschild]

THe law lets start collecting animals. Everytime we bat a eye will have to kill some animal.

 

[giantone]

The law of the OT

So what your saying is that Jesus died on the cross for our sins for the fun of it, or in addition to all the burnt offerings of cows and birds and grain. If we still did have burnt offerings thats what they would sell at wall mart or the gas station if they thought they could make a buck.


Hebrews 8

1 ¶Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 ¶But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Jeremiah 31

29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 ¶Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.


Things are coming to pass and the old is fading away. For a time Israel won't see the light but will one day accept Jesus as there Lord, once they do the whole planet will go ape and try to destroy Israel but it won't work. But in the mean time we Christians have chosen well.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I think this one might be a Moslem....

This would be a good study for Muslims and Jews as well. Just browsing this thread the answers to this discussion are contained in the Foundations of the Faith "Covenants and Grace' Study.

 

[ed]

Most christian don't understand like u do. if the teaching of Jesus is Followed then the 700 rules must be followed, if if the teaching of Jesus is not Followed then u are following Paul that is rely different from Jesus teachings.

What the use of all prophet coming all this time teaching on the law. then Paul came saying don't have to follow the Law.

Hi lightMe
Your post seemed to say you are seeking numbers or justification and not seeking the truth. Please know that the Spirit knows the reasons for your actions. Even good actions for the wrong reasons bring at least rebuke.
love
edwin

 

[ed]

I am not a Christian, but I understand where Paul is coming from. A few questions for you.
What is sin defined in the Bible?
Do you know what God's law actually is?
If so, then what is His law?

Hi Israel, The sin of the world is unbelief in Jesus.
God's law is love.
love
edwin

 

[ed]

Ok, lets not ignore them.

1 John 3

John 3

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So how do we believe? How do we accept Jesus? Is it enough to simply say it as most do in paying fine lip service to Him?

Matthew 25:31-46

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

This is how one shows his acceptance or denial of Jesus. Again, another example:

John 15:7-10

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus showed us how to keep the law of God... the ten commandments.

Hi Israel,
I want to comment on your last line. I do no know how to pull it out of your post. Ie Jesus showed us how to keep the law of God......... the ten commandments.
Please Israel, if you try to keep laws you will fail somehow. God does not want you to fail. When you are baptised into Jesus Christ you are baptised into his death so this means you die to the old law. Now the new law is to love one another. (And it is not a new law but the original one) If you love God you will obey Him. So listen to your heart and so what your heart says. See the tramp over there. If your heart says to you ,to invite him home and give him a feed and a bed then do this, This is the law of love. Obeying what you believe God is telling you to do This is what Abraham did. Abraham did not follow any laws.Abraham said to himself, This is God talking to me, I must obey." God wont tell you to rob a bank because if a spirit tells you to rob a bank, just check scripture and see if you think it agrees with the Character of God. God is speaking to you all the time, If you have Christ as your righteousness, and you are called to obey Him. Jesus Christ is very much alive as is God and they have work for you to do if you bother to listen to them, day by day.
love
edwin.

 

[Consumed]

Jesus come to fulfil the laws requirement for the penalty of disboeying the law, the ten commandments, Paul called the law the ministry of condemnation and death, no one could fulfil the requirements given bar Jesus who did as the Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice for all sin, once and for all, putting an end to daily sacrifices of goats and bulls,turtle-doves,yearly lamb, all blood sacrifice. To be circumcised in heart by the two edged sword,one edge the law,the other His Spirit,cuts away the flesh of the heart and leaves us desiring the things of God, being convicted by His righteousness for we are circumcised at heart. We walk in the Spirt, we uphold the law,if we stumble, there is no condemnation in Christ, if we use Gods grace as a liscense to sin,God will not be mocked.
We enter and stand boldly in the throne room of God because we are hidden in Christ Jesus, His righteousness gives us access to the Father, definatly not our own or any other reason, works cannot save,the work of the cross has done it all, to destroy the works of the devil, the devil has no legitimate right now to keep us in bondage being the legalist the devil is. We are saved by grace, grace upon grace,grace and truth, the truth that Jesus paid the penalty of sin to free us.The Father seeks those that worship Him in truth and Spirit, not self righteousness and flesh as the pharasies thought. Cant put new wine in old wine skins, cant mix the law with grace and righteousness found only in Jesus, divide the Word at the cross,the changing of covenants.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (the unbelieving)
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; (the redeemed)
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. (the wicked and evil)

we are no longer convicted of sin if we are redeemed, we are convicted by His righteousness

 

[Israel]

Hi Israel,
I want to comment on your last line. I do no know how to pull it out of your post. Ie Jesus showed us how to keep the law of God......... the ten commandments.
Please Israel, if you try to keep laws you will fail somehow. God does not want you to fail. When you are baptised into Jesus Christ you are baptised into his death so this means you die to the old law. Now the new law is to love one another. (And it is not a new law but the original one) If you love God you will obey Him. So listen to your heart and so what your heart says. See the tramp over there. If your heart says to you ,to invite him home and give him a feed and a bed then do this, This is the law of love. Obeying what you believe God is telling you to do This is what Abraham did. Abraham did not follow any laws.Abraham said to himself, This is God talking to me, I must obey." God wont tell you to rob a bank because if a spirit tells you to rob a bank, just check scripture and see if you think it agrees with the Character of God. God is speaking to you all the time, If you have Christ as your righteousness, and you are called to obey Him. Jesus Christ is very much alive as is God and they have work for you to do if you bother to listen to them, day by day.
love
edwin.

I would have to disagree with you Ed. We must remember that the absence of law is lawlessness! God is a Spirit and as such, His ten commandments are spiritual laws and forever binding.

 

[Israel]

Hi Israel,
I want to comment on your last line. I do no know how to pull it out of your post. Ie Jesus showed us how to keep the law of God......... the ten commandments.
Please Israel, if you try to keep laws you will fail somehow. God does not want you to fail. When you are baptised into Jesus Christ you are baptised into his death so this means you die to the old law. Now the new law is to love one another. (And it is not a new law but the original one) If you love God you will obey Him. So listen to your heart and so what your heart says. See the tramp over there. If your heart says to you ,to invite him home and give him a feed and a bed then do this, This is the law of love. Obeying what you believe God is telling you to do This is what Abraham did. Abraham did not follow any laws.Abraham said to himself, This is God talking to me, I must obey." God wont tell you to rob a bank because if a spirit tells you to rob a bank, just check scripture and see if you think it agrees with the Character of God. God is speaking to you all the time, If you have Christ as your righteousness, and you are called to obey Him. Jesus Christ is very much alive as is God and they have work for you to do if you bother to listen to them, day by day.
love
edwin.

I would have to disagree with you Ed. We must remember that the absence of law is lawlessness! God is a Spirit and as such, His ten commandments are spiritual laws and forever binding.

Genesis 26:1-6

And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.

2And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. 6And Isaac dwelt in Gerar:

In Revelation, we find that the saints kept the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. We must learn how to obey these ten commandments spiritually as people tend to only focus on the letter. Cain knew it was wrong to kill his brother before that law was written at mount sanai. I do agree on the love, but you must realize that these ten in spirit, in fact speaks of love! We must learn how not to make a graven image in the spirit. How not to take His name in vain. How to truly obey the Sabbath. To fully understand these is to truly be set free!

 

[ed]

Ok, lets not ignore them.

1 John 3

John 3

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So how do we believe? How do we accept Jesus? Is it enough to simply say it as most do in paying fine lip service to Him?

Matthew 25:31-46

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

This is how one shows his acceptance or denial of Jesus. Again, another example:

John 15:7-10

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus showed us how to keep the law of God... the ten commandments.

I would have to disagree with you Ed. We must remember that the absence of law is lawlessness! God is a Spirit and as such, His ten commandments are spiritual laws and forever binding.

Hi Israel. I do not speak of an absence of "law" but of a new covenant. This is to love one another. And if we love God we will obey Him. By obedience to God we will fulfill the law. God's character is still the same. He still is the God of the 10 commandments and He will never ask us to disobey the spiritual aspect of the laws. Please look at the 10 commandments and see how love completes all of them. The Sabbath is very difficult. Personally, I have come to terms with God over the Sabbath. This involved a couple of trials and some small suffering. I feel it is a personal issue for each individual, unless they have faith enough to dedicate their life to Jesus. And faith is a gift from God also. Just give thanks for where we are in Him. I have mentioned the Sabbath on another thread.
love
edwin

 

[Consumed]

Jesus come to fulfil the laws requirement for the penalty of disboeying the law, the ten commandments, Paul called the law the ministry of condemnation and death, no one could fulfil the requirements given bar Jesus who did as the Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice for all sin, once and for all, putting an end to daily sacrifices of goats and bulls,turtle-doves,yearly lamb, all blood sacrifice. To be circumcised in heart by the two edged sword,one edge the law,the other His Spirit,cuts away the flesh of the heart and leaves us desiring the things of God, being convicted by His righteousness for we are circumcised at heart. We walk in the Spirt, we uphold the law,if we stumble, there is no condemnation in Christ, if we use Gods grace as a liscense to sin,God will not be mocked.
We enter and stand boldly in the throne room of God because we are hidden in Christ Jesus, His righteousness gives us access to the Father, definatly not our own or any other reason, works cannot save,the work of the cross has done it all, to destroy the works of the devil, the devil has no legitimate right now to keep us in bondage being the legalist the devil is. We are saved by grace, grace upon grace,grace and truth, the truth that Jesus paid the penalty of sin to free us.The Father seeks those that worship Him in truth and Spirit, not self righteousness and flesh as the pharasies thought. Cant put new wine in old wine skins, cant mix the law with grace and righteousness found only in Jesus, divide the Word at the cross,the changing of covenants.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (the unbelieving)
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; (the redeemed)
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. (the wicked and evil)

we are no longer convicted of sin if we are redeemed, we are convicted by His righteousness

just read the above,says it all about the law and Jesus

 

[Israel]

Hi Israel. I do not speak of an absence of "law" but of a new covenant. This is to love one another. And if we love God we will obey Him. By obedience to God we will fulfill the law. God's character is still the same. He still is the God of the 10 commandments and He will never ask us to disobey the spiritual aspect of the laws. Please look at the 10 commandments and see how love completes all of them. The Sabbath is very difficult. Personally, I have come to terms with God over the Sabbath. This involved a couple of trials and some small suffering. I feel it is a personal issue for each individual, unless they have faith enough to dedicate their life to Jesus. And faith is a gift from God also. Just give thanks for where we are in Him. I have mentioned the Sabbath on another thread.
love
edwin

I agree that love is the summation of the ten commandments. The Sabbath is not difficult when one realizes that in the spirit, the Sabbath hasn't ended yet. Spiritually, we are still in God's seventh day as we must all be circumcised on the eighth.

 

[ed]

I agree that love is the summation of the ten commandments. The Sabbath is not difficult when one realizes that in the spirit, the Sabbath hasn't ended yet. Spiritually, we are still in God's seventh day as we must all be circumcised on the eighth.

Hi Israel,
That is deep.Maybe a week hanging out and chewing the cud. There is something very special about the Sabbath. I have noted that the 8th day hasn't seemed to happen.
I adore your name.
love,
edwin.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Hi Israel. I do not speak of an absence of "law" but of a new covenant. This is to love one another. And if we love God we will obey Him. By obedience to God we will fulfill the law. God's character is still the same. He still is the God of the 10 commandments and He will never ask us to disobey the spiritual aspect of the laws. Please look at the 10 commandments and see how love completes all of them. The Sabbath is very difficult. Personally, I have come to terms with God over the Sabbath. This involved a couple of trials and some small suffering. I feel it is a personal issue for each individual, unless they have faith enough to dedicate their life to Jesus. And faith is a gift from God also. Just give thanks for where we are in Him. I have mentioned the Sabbath on another thread.
love
edwin

I would go even further and say that the new covenant preceded the old, that Abraham was justified by faith. As for the ten commandments, we are not doing away with them. It is not that the old covenant has been abolished, only that the penalty has been paid. So now, whatever righteousness we have comes from the transformation of our hearts. As for the ten commandments, they remain as a foundational truth.
Regarding the Sabbath, I live in the Sabbath-rest provided by Christ's sacrifice.

 

[Consumed]

I would go even further and say that the new covenant preceded the old, that Abraham was justified by faith. As for the ten commandments, we are not doing away with them. It is not that the old covenant has been abolished, only that the penalty has been paid. So now, whatever righteousness we have comes from the transformation of our hearts. As for the ten commandments, they remain as a foundational truth.
Regarding the Sabbath, I live in the Sabbath-rest provided by Christ's sacrifice.

amen brother, you definatly have a revelation of the cross in its fulness,


Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[loveschild]

THE BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats good enopugh for me!