Doubting the salvation of someone just because they don't believe as you do.

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ChristsArmorBearer

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Ooops forgot to apologize,
I was mistaken in thinking you were talking about the rapture thread but I guess we needed to hear that too. You made some very good points, I don't think people should judge whether someone is saved and if they were to die today go to hell for believing any doctrine. If they believe in Christ and the work He did then and repent, they are saved.
I hope you didn't take offence to my response because I believe others that have posted in your thread needed to hear what I had to say concerning caring about endtime scripture.
Not offended at all. In fact I don't mind a healthy debate from time to time. However if you must know, think about the most heated debate in CC where there at least two threads going on about it at any given time. That should clue you in.
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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I still think it's funny how none of the more opinionated people, who seemingly love to interject their opinions in almost every thread, have yet to address this one.

I hope you all help me keep this thread alive until we get some answers.
 
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I could dig far deeper into this, exposing not only doctrinal error but also historical atrocities, but I won't. I would much rather appeal to their heart and their sense of reason. To treat them in the same manner that they have treated others would only serve to make me out to be hypocrite.

With that being said, chill out man. Your macho routine isn't impressing anyone.


THAT IS THE POINT I AM MAKING

I am more worried about my walk in GOD
and the real issues GOD has directed US BELIEVERS to be dealing with
RATHER
than dedicating a thread
to lets cry and complain
BUT
since this is your thread
YOU accomplish whatever it is your trying to achieve
 

superdave5221

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I totally agree that noone should be proclaiming who will and will not go to hell. However, many in here have oversimplified salvation to the point that all you have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and you are immediately saved from that point forever, no matter what you do. And any conditions that might apply, like baptism and faithful obedience, are works and therefore have no effect. James says that even Satan and his demons believe in Jesus. If it is so easy to get into heaven, why did Jesus say that narrow is the way to life, and broad is the path to destruction? Didn't Jesus realize how easy it is to be saved? [sarcasm] If I am now saved, I guess I no longer need to read my Bible, or go to church. [more sarcasm] Brethren we must not be deluded into thinking that we have no responsibility in our salvation. We must always teach each other in love, and not condemn, but teach we must! Do not let Luther's scribbling the word "sola" in the margin of his Bible at Romans 3:28 lead us astray. Pray to God for guidance, in Jesus' name, in sincerety, and He will lead you unto the Truth.
 

pickles

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I PERSONALLY FROM ALL THAT I AM THANK YOU

In the church I am the Associate Pastor we have a man with CERABAL PALSY
and he happens to be the PROPHET of the HOUSE-CHURCH
HIS influence on me is greater than anyone I know
and when I see him NEVER complaining
BUT
always finding more and more reasons to thank GOD for
I get inspired by him
He always tells me
I may be in this wheel chair for this life brother
BUT in the next
You will NEVER catch me
With his attitude and such positivity
and to just look upon him most see defeat and someone who is looking for a hand out
HE NEVER
uses his handicap to justify
the LACK
of reason for serving our GREAT GOD
SO PICKLES
I am sorry you feel alone
but
like my great friend
the Prophet JOHN (little john) WINTERS
I get soo inspired by GOD
when I see him make no excuses
THAT INSURGES ME
I FIND MANY OTHER reason to live for GOD that much more
AND
I forget
there are many
who like him and in his situation
HAVE NOT FOUND
that same great COMFORT and STRENGTH
in GOD
I DO APOLOGIZE
FOR GETTING CARRIED AWAY
Apology accepted.
God bless, pickles
 

pickles

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i admire the time and commitment you have towards prayer , plz call out my name* Denise* and remember my family during your prayer time :)
Thankyou Denise, you and your family are in my prayers.
God bless, pickles
 

pickles

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Beautiful Pickles... I am with carpetmans wife in the request that you include my family in your prayers. I know you already have & I thank you for that. You truly have a Mary heart & we are blessed to have you here.
Thankyou imoss, and your right, I already do pray for everyone here every night.
I will remember you and your family again and more.
Just all know that it is not by my streangth, but by the grace of Jesus that I am able to pray.
God bless, pickles
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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I totally agree that noone should be proclaiming who will and will not go to hell. However, many in here have oversimplified salvation to the point that all you have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and you are immediately saved from that point forever, no matter what you do. And any conditions that might apply, like baptism and faithful obedience, are works and therefore have no effect. James says that even Satan and his demons believe in Jesus. If it is so easy to get into heaven, why did Jesus say that narrow is the way to life, and broad is the path to destruction? Didn't Jesus realize how easy it is to be saved? [sarcasm] If I am now saved, I guess I no longer need to read my Bible, or go to church. [more sarcasm] Brethren we must not be deluded into thinking that we have no responsibility in our salvation. We must always teach each other in love, and not condemn, but teach we must! Do not let Luther's scribbling the word "sola" in the margin of his Bible at Romans 3:28 lead us astray. Pray to God for guidance, in Jesus' name, in sincerety, and He will lead you unto the Truth.
I agree bro. I find it quite odd that those who insist that one believe a certain way to be saved also preach heavily against "works" however, by insisting that one must believe as they do in addition to Christ crucified do to be saved, they themselves are promoting "works".
 

wattie

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to be honest the strongest condemnation/ doubting of salvation in other christians I have seen has come from Calvinists.

Every time.. it is mainly people from this kind of theology who do the doubting and condemning.. it is uncanny.

Anyway.. I can never know for certain by looking at a person's behaviour or works if they saved.. and so cannot condemn another professing christian. Only God knows that for sure.

But I do know that if someone hasn't entrusted their salvation with Jesus.. then they aren't saved. But again.. hard to tell.

A Jehovahs Witness could have trusted Jesus for their salvation
Many Catholics do
A Mormon could
Even a New Ager could.. if it at some point they understood they need salvation through Jesus.

Eternal salvation is something that anyone can get.. and can even be revealed through looking at God's creation.. eg.. the invisible attributes of God are clearly seen through things He has made.. even His eternal power and Godhead, so they are without excuse.

Someone can be genuinely saved.. and then genuninely misled after salvation. The salvation isn't undone by the misleading
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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to be honest the strongest condemnation/ doubting of salvation in other christians I have seen has come from Calvinists.

Every time.. it is mainly people from this kind of theology who do the doubting and condemning.. it is uncanny.
You hit the nail on the head. Their entire doctrine is based on one man can not judge another man's heart then they turn around and do the same thing that they preach against by insisting that you must believe as they do to be saved. Is this not the same sort of thing that Jesus condemned the pharisees for?
 
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Yea, whenever someone doesn't agree with me the first thing I do is say, Lord, is he right? And then I look through the scriptures to see if what he's saying is true. Sometimes a person spouts pure heresy. But even then, I do my best to listen. And then explore what he has said. Usually I don't need to work too hard to disprove an idea when it clearly contradicts scripture, but sometimes some people say things that are so amazing, I just need to find out if they are true.

So to all of you, be like the noble Bereans!
Act 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.
Act 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
 
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kujo313

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Recently in another thread, someone who professes to be a pastor or preacher of some sort began to publically denounce the salvation of others simply did not agree with his doctrine. While this thread is not to debate or discuss that doctrine, others who share that doctrine started jumping on the boat saying that if you don't have the faith to believe this way then you do not have the faith to be saved. - The funny thing is that anyone could have just as easily turned their own point around on them and said that if they did not have the faith to believe that God could save someone and work in their despite the fact that these people do not believe the same way as they do, this lack of faith could be a sign they do not have the faith to be saved as well. However, seeing as I neither believe that or want to sound self righteous as they do by making such claims, we'll put an end to that accusation now.

Anyhow, my first question to you is:

If someone truly believes in Christ for their salvation, that Christ came to this earth to die on a cross for our sins and that in order to be saved we must believe in him and him alone for our salvation, what gives you the right to proclaim that anyone else is unsaved?

My second question, by criticisizing and alienating those who believe very simular to you yet may disagree on a few small points, do you not realize or even care that you are possibly doing more damage to the Body of Christ as a whole thus you could be percieved by God and others as "a worker of iniquity"?

My third question, do you not realize that by insisting that no one can be saved unless they believe as you do, that others may begin to look at you not as loving christians but as heretical and dangerous cult such as Jahova's Witnesses and Mormons have been viewed as over the last several centuries?

God's Army is the only army that attacks its injured.
 
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