Dual Covenant Theology, (Church) & (Israel) Dispensationalism's Deception

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JaumeJ

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It seems to be apparent that the covenant and promise in one given to Abraham is the true covenant given, taught, and clarified by Messiah.
 
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No. I sure didn't. I thought I knew Scriptures, even referring to myself as a sort of "Biblical Master," but I hadn't a clue. I wasn't sharing the Truth because it wasn't within me. Now, I have shared the Gospel with hundreds . . . completely unafraid. Why? Because I have finally been saved. Before, I was not much different from a Biblical Pharisee, Sadducee, or "teacher of the Law." I thought I understood the Word of God, but I was totally deceived.
lets pray someone gets the gospel to them before it is too late
 
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lets pray someone gets the gospel to them before it is too late
All that the Father has given to Christ, He shall not lose one. All things are worked out in accordance with the will of God. So I agree . . . we need to get busy!
 

PennEd

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I didn’t even know I was a dispensationalist until someone spoke so angrily about it yrs ago. Their vitriol caused me to examine it. I found this definition of it. I hold very closely to this. From GotQuestions:


Question: "What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A dispensation is a way of ordering things—an administration, a system, or a management. In theology, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time; each dispensation is a divinely appointed age. Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program. Classical dispensationalism identifies seven dispensations in God’s plan for humanity.


Whole article: https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html
 

Nehemiah6

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There are people even on this forum that promote a two gospel concept. The OP is refuting it
No, the OP is promoting the false Replacement Theology idea that confuses the Church with Israel.

Also the OP should not be making false allegations. Dispensationalists do not teach two Gospels and two New Covenants. Hyper-Dispensationalists may do so, but there is a big difference.
 

kaylagrl

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I didn’t even know I was a dispensationalist until someone spoke so angrily about it yrs ago. Their vitriol caused me to examine it. I found this definition of it. I hold very closely to this. From GotQuestions:


Question: "What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A dispensation is a way of ordering things—an administration, a system, or a management. In theology, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time; each dispensation is a divinely appointed age. Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program. Classical dispensationalism identifies seven dispensations in God’s plan for humanity.


Whole article: https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html

Yes, I agree. God has a separate plan for Israel from the church as we come to end times. But I do not believe they are saved differently than anyone else. Different purposes as a people, but still come by the cross.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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No, the OP is promoting the false Replacement Theology idea that confuses the Church with Israel.

Also the OP should not be making false allegations. Dispensationalists do not teach two Gospels and two New Covenants. Hyper-Dispensationalists may do so, but there is a big difference.
Well both are wrong. There is no replacement and there is no dispensations. Everyone who has ever been a child of God has been by faith. Even the old testament gentiles, and there are some called by name. By faith grafted into the family of Abraham. They saved by their faith that God would save his people. Us by faith that God has saved his people, all through faith in Christ.
 
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Well both are wrong. There is no replacement and there is no dispensations. Everyone who has ever been a child of God has been by faith. Even the old testament gentiles, and there are some called by name. By faith grafted into the family of Abraham. They saved by their faith that God would save his people. Us by faith that God has saved his people, all through faith in Christ.
Again.

Dispensations do not say how people are saved, It is a way to differentiate different times in mankind's history. In a way that can help us view things in their time frame. It is seperating the hisoty of man into different categories. We even do this in secular science, to make it easier to understand different era's or ages or dispensations.

Also if you look at the book of eph 1 and eph 3. you will see the word dispensation used in context of the church age, and a later age.
 

posthuman

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if your talking about the fanatics. As I said, I know they are out there. But to say all dispensationals believe this is an outright fabrication. I know many all over the US. And non of the churches I have been to teach that perverted view
So is the 'two gospels' thing rightly called 'hyperdispensationalism?'

That's the word I've been using
 

p_rehbein

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There are people even on this forum that promote a two gospel concept. The OP is refuting it
There are many who go for that Two Gospel thingy, but there is no doubt that there are Two Covenants.

1st Covenant: Law

New Covenant: Grace

Jesus and the Apostle Paul, Isaiah, and God ALL made this very clear.

Maybe the OP didn't mean to deny two Covenants, but that is what I read.........anyhoo
 

p_rehbein

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Having said that, I have serious concern for the growing acceptance of "dual covenant theology." It promotes the idea that Jewish people have a separate path to salvation through the Abrahamic or Mosaic covenants. In other words, Jews don't need Jesus for personal salvation.
Ok, if this is what you mean by Dual Covenants......then, YES, I FULLY AGREE that there is ONLY ONE way to eternal life. This is made very clear by Jesus in His Ministry, and the Apostle Paul throughout his Epistles.

I have seen people who think ALL Jews will receive eternal life come the day of Judgement...........and they are very, very wrong. They work this out with the Parable of the Vine and the branches (natural and unnatural). What they do not admit is that when ALL of that Passage of Scripture is read and understood, it CLEARLY shows that the ONLY WAY the Jews who were cut out will be grafted back in is IF they confess the name of Jesus, and become believers in Him! In other words, convert to Christianity.

That key verse is Romans, Chapter 11 verse 23

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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There are many who go for that Two Gospel thingy, but there is no doubt that there are Two Covenants.

1st Covenant: Law

New Covenant: Grace

Jesus and the Apostle Paul, Isaiah, and God ALL made this very clear.

Maybe the OP didn't mean to deny two Covenants, but that is what I read.........anyhoo
That is scriptural. The law is not a gospel, failure to understand law and gospel is a serious error.
 

Truth7t7

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Well both are wrong. There is no replacement and there is no dispensations. Everyone who has ever been a child of God has been by faith. Even the old testament gentiles, and there are some called by name. By faith grafted into the family of Abraham. They saved by their faith that God would save his people. Us by faith that God has saved his people, all through faith in Christ.
100% correct

Old testament faith, New Testament faith

Old covenant blood sacrifice for sin

New covenant blood sacrifice for all on the cross of Calvary, finished!

God has one covenant with man, the blood shed upon Calvary, simple
 

Truth7t7

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Ok, if this is what you mean by Dual Covenants......then, YES, I FULLY AGREE that there is ONLY ONE way to eternal life. This is made very clear by Jesus in His Ministry, and the Apostle Paul throughout his Epistles.

I have seen people who think ALL Jews will receive eternal life come the day of Judgement...........and they are very, very wrong. They work this out with the Parable of the Vine and the branches (natural and unnatural). What they do not admit is that when ALL of that Passage of Scripture is read and understood, it CLEARLY shows that the ONLY WAY the Jews who were cut out will be grafted back in is IF they confess the name of Jesus, and become believers in Him! In other words, convert to Christianity.

That key verse is Romans, Chapter 11 verse 23

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
John Hagee in Texas is leading the pack in Dual Covenant Theology, yes a different path of salvation for Jews

Many teach Jews just sorta limp through the back door into a Millennium, where they rule the earth, big smiles.

There are "Many" Zionist Christian groups doing the same

Watch Hagee in his own words state, Jesus Never Claimed To Be Messiah To The Jews?
 

Blackpowderduelist

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