Dualism

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Precisely. So is it not possible for G-d to have created evil, as Isaiah seems pretty clearly to say, but we make it worse and more prevalent through our sin?

If there's anything I'm knowledgable about, it's the Tanakh (read: Old Testament) :p
both, but especially the first idea - God did not create evil. He never intended or taught humans to sin. We figured out how to misuse His creation to exalt our own egos, all by ourselves. Which led to the morality of worldliness or evil, the law of this world.
 
Jan 22, 2010
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both, but especially the first idea - God did not create evil. He never intended or taught humans to sin. We figured out how to misuse His creation to exalt our own egos, all by ourselves. Which led to the morality of worldliness or evil, the law of this world.
Well, I agree with all of that, but I was saying that G-d also created evil :p I think the two can be separated, personally. G-d created evil, but we created sin when Adam disobeyed G-d.
 
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Well, I agree with all of that, but I was saying that G-d also created evil :p I think the two can be separated, personally. G-d created evil, but we created sin when Adam disobeyed G-d.

oh man....

So what is evil?
 
Jan 22, 2010
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oh man....

So what is evil?
That certainly is the root of the issue, isn't it? I suppose it would have been better if we started out by establishing our definitions of evil :p
 
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Actually satan is still in heaven talking to God all the time. Acusing you and me. Revelations hasn't happened yet has it. You are for or agaisnt God. If you are not fighting satan as God instructed you to then sorry but you have given your power over to satan. Get with it Brothers and Sisters. Start doing your job. God is the highest power. He says for you to put satan under your feet. God bless you all.
 
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Aspen, you have the best posts. You have consistently argued over the idea of dualism, and while I agree that if we focus on the evil of things then we begin to take away from the goodness of God, and give power to the wickedness of evil, I still see a two sided spiritual battle when I read the Word.

Eph. 6: 12
For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked spirits of the heavenly realms.

Rev. 12: 17
Then the dragon became angry at the woman, and he declared war against the rest of her children- all who keep God's commandments and confess that they belong to Jesus.

And, Nuhen, that passage from Isaiah 45 really freaked me out; I love it when the Lord challenges my finite ideas of Him! God bless you all!
 
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And, Nuhen, that passage from Isaiah 45 really freaked me out; I love it when the Lord challenges my finite ideas of Him! God bless you all!
You bet :) Unfortunately, that passage so often gets ignored. It doesn't fit in with our "fluffy" G-d. :)
 
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Aspen, you have the best posts. You have consistently argued over the idea of dualism, and while I agree that if we focus on the evil of things then we begin to take away from the goodness of God, and give power to the wickedness of evil, I still see a two sided spiritual battle when I read the Word.

Eph. 6: 12
For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked spirits of the heavenly realms.

Rev. 12: 17
Then the dragon became angry at the woman, and he declared war against the rest of her children- all who keep God's commandments and confess that they belong to Jesus.

And, Nuhen, that passage from Isaiah 45 really freaked me out; I love it when the Lord challenges my finite ideas of Him! God bless you all!
Thanks - I like your posts too.

We are resisting an inferior, defeated enemy. Our armor is described by Paul in Galatians - it is a nice balance between obedience and love.

It remains me of the stories about enemy soldiers who do not realize a distant war is over and continue to keep watch and strike out feebly from time to time.

The presence of love is what dampens the fallout of people choosing the lesser good in this world and the act of living by love sanctifies us for the next world.