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Nehemiah6

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You are all over the place. Can you show the calculation in the 70 week prophesy that brought you to 33 AD (when Jesus dies) as the end of the 69th week?
Actually it works out to 30 AD. See The Chronology of the Old Testament by Martin Anstey for detailed calculations.
 
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Oh poor garee...you have taken all that time and effort to try to make more clear to me what point you were trying to make and it has STILL gone right over my head. I'm so sorry. I'll try to read it one more time and see if I find some understanding. Very sorry!
Thanks for trying .

How do you understand the difference between signs as a observation like sign of the times , and signs and wonder which Christ said because he is not bring anymore .Its an evil generation that does seek after them as a signs and wonders gospel.. See any difference?
 

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605 BC – Nebuchadnezzar begins to reign in Babylon
-19yrs

586 BC- Nebuchadnezzar takes captives from Judah (Daniel and the rest- Jer 52:12)
-70yrs of captivity and Daniel prays.

516 BC-.A heavenly decree is given to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan 9:23)
-49 yrs of rebuilding

467 BC – Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)
-33 yrs

434 BC- Remainder of 62 weeks
-434 yrs (62 X7=434)

0 – There’s no 0 BC but this is the exact time the messiah is born, dividing the two time periods.
+33yrs The life of messiah here on Earth

33 AD- Messiah is killed
-33 yrs– Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)

0 back to zero (The antichrist comes but is restrained until the gospel is spread to all the nations by the disciples and apostles- the two witnesses)

+3.5 yrs (half of the last 7 yrs where the apostles and disciples spread the gospel as a witness to the nations)

3.5 AD The antichrist takes reign of the world and first order is to kill the two witnesses.

+3.5yrs (figurative and must be calculated – his (antichrist’s) number is 666. So hemust rule for a total of:
3.5 x 666 x360/365.25=2297.49 yrs

3.5 AD +2297.49yrs= 2300.99yrs

Dan 8:14 He saidto me, "For 2,300eveningsand mornings;then the holyplace will be properlyrestored."

When antichrist starts to reign, that's what is referred to us the abomination that makes desolate. He defiles the men's hearts (not a physical place) because men's heart is the temple of God.
 
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Noose

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Actually it works out to 30 AD. See The Chronology of the Old Testament by Martin Anstey for detailed calculations.
I have seen these calculations- they don't add up.
 
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Thanks for trying .

How do you understand the difference between signs as a observation like sign of the times , and signs and wonder which Christ said because he is not bring anymore .Its an evil generation that does seek after them as a signs and wonders gospel.. See any difference?

Um...oh I feel so sorry for you having to put up with my denseness!

Signs of the times are things to look for and know that your Redemption draws near. (To me.) These are the things the prophets and Jesus spoke of happening in the last days. They are the signs and wonders God will show on earth and in the sky.

I DO understand that He spoke to those who were always asking Him to give a sign to prove who He was, that the only sign there was going to be to prove who He was, was the sign of Jonah, who was in the belly of the fish for three days and nights and that He was speaking of His resurrection in this.

But...I'm not sure that helps...:confused:
 
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You are all over the place. Can you show the calculation in the 70 week prophesy that brought you to 33 AD (when Jesus dies) as the end of the 69th week?

You asked when the abomination would take place. Not when the end of the 69th week takes place. So your being deceptive, I was not all over the place. I was explaining to you why I could not give you an answer.

As for when messiah would come? Read nehimiah, when the king gave the decree to restore the city of jerusalem (in the month of nisan in the 20th year of king artexerxes, found in neh 2) you will get you the start point. count 69 weeks (483 years according to the hebrew calender) and you will arive to the time Jesus was introduced to jerusalem

 
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The time of reformation which marked the beginning of the last days has come over two thousand literal years ago. Something many dismiss.

The Jews who were temporally used as shadows in parables for the time then present lost that honor at the time of reformation .

The veil is rent marking the beginning of the last days in respect to the signified thousand year a unknown amount of time .

The reformation caused the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.

When looking at the parable we should apply the prescription below. It can keep our focus up after the eternal, not horizontal after the temporal things seen. We walk by the unseen faith principle the light of God's word not by sight after the literal

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


There is no more temporal Holy place as that seen used as a shadow to represent the unseen eternal .
Exposing the uncovered Jews like the unconverted gentile that have no Spirit of Christ is a tribulation that will never occur again

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, "imposed on them" until the "time of reformation".

Again the time of reformation exposed the the outward Jew as the antichrists (many) that were already there .
The time was future to jesus, future to paul. And future to John, who wroite revelation in about 90 AD)

They did nto start 2000 years ago, the church did. The times of refreshing are yet future event, which jesus will happen in the end, even the discples knew there was a time of the end, and jesus said it will happen AFTER we see the signs. Which have not yet occured.

The church did nto replace Isreal.
 
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605 BC – Nebuchadnezzar begins to reign in Babylon
-19yrs

586 BC- Nebuchadnezzar takes captives from Judah (Daniel and the rest- Jer 52:12)
-70yrs of captivity and Daniel prays.

516 BC-.A heavenly decree is given to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan 9:23)
-49 yrs of rebuilding

467 BC – Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)
-33 yrs

434 BC- Remainder of 62 weeks
-434 yrs (62 X7=434)

0 – There’s no 0 BC but this is the exact time the messiah is born, dividing the two time periods.
+33yrs The life of messiah here on Earth

33 AD- Messiah is killed
-33 yrs– Attempt to change times and seasons (will explain)

0 back to zero (The antichrist comes but is restrained until the gospel is spread to all the nations by the disciples and apostles- the two witnesses)

+3.5 yrs (half of the last 7 yrs where the apostles and disciples spread the gospel as a witness to the nations)

3.5 AD The antichrist takes reign of the world and first order is to kill the two witnesses.

+3.5yrs (figurative and must be calculated – his (antichrist’s) number is 666. So hemust rule for a total of:
3.5 x 666 x360/365.25=2297.49 yrs

3.5 AD +2297.49yrs= 2300.99yrs

Dan 8:14 He saidto me, "For 2,300eveningsand mornings;then the holyplace will be properlyrestored."

When antichrist starts to reign, that's what is referred to us the abomination that makes desolate. He defiles the men's hearts (not a physical place) because men's heart is the temple of God.

Oh boy,. I dount we can have any conversation at all.. You need to study daniel. And revelation more closely my friend.
 
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I have seen these calculations- they don't add up.

Did you use hebrew time, or our time, and I think it adds up to 33 ad.. in fact, if we calculate it correctly, it does.
 

Noose

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You asked when the abomination would take place. Not when the end of the 69th week takes place. So your being deceptive, I was not all over the place. I was explaining to you why I could not give you an answer.

As for when messiah would come? Read nehimiah, when the king gave the decree to restore the city of jerusalem (in the month of nisan in the 20th year of king artexerxes, found in neh 2) you will get you the start point. count 69 weeks (483 years according to the hebrew calender) and you will arive to the time Jesus was introduced to jerusalem

That's propaganda, i know the start point, look at the calculation up there. The temple that the antichrist defiles is in the hearts of men; don't you know that God dwells in the hearts of believers?
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This just another form of saying abomination that makes desolate. So, you'll wait for the truth to be cast down physically but i know that it something that continues to happen even now.
 
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That's propaganda, i know the start point, look at the calculation up there. The temple that the antichrist defiles is in the hearts of men; don't you know that God dwells in the hearts of believers?
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This just another form of saying abomination that makes desolate. So, you'll wait for the truth to be cast down physically but i know that it something that continues to happen even now.

It is not propaganda, and it works ut perfectly. If you know it like you claim, you would see it.


No the temple is not the hearts of men, it is a literal temple. You interpret it as the people who it was written it to would interpret it. Daniel would have NEVER interpreted this as symbolic. Your just wrong.

Your destroying the purpose of prophesy by trying to make it a symbolic thing, your making god no more of a prophet than Nostrodumus
 

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It is not propaganda, and it works ut perfectly. If you know it like you claim, you would see it.


No the temple is not the hearts of men, it is a literal temple. You interpret it as the people who it was written it to would interpret it. Daniel would have NEVER interpreted this as symbolic. Your just wrong.

Your destroying the purpose of prophesy by trying to make it a symbolic thing, your making god no more of a prophet than Nostrodumus
Daniel was sick for weeks because he couldn't understand nothing even after explanation from an angel and was told to seal the book, meaning that no one could inter-prate it until the book of Revelation (which has the key to unlock Daniel)- the reason John was told not to seal the book of Revelation.
 
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Noose, it is odd to me to try to grasp prophecy being all symbolic and not also literally happening just as the prophets said it would. I don't understand why it can't be both, really...
 
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Daniel was sick for weeks because he couldn't understand nothing even after explanation from an angel and was told to seal the book, meaning that no one could inter-prate it until the book of Revelation (which has the key to unlock Daniel)- the reason John was told not to seal the book of Revelation.
Yep. And john said those events woudl literally take place. They were not symbolic’’again, a good study of daniel and revelation together would help you. I opened a thread on it awhile ago. If you look it up. Maybe it will help.
 

Noose

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Yep. And john said those events woudl literally take place. They were not symbolic’’again, a good study of daniel and revelation together would help you. I opened a thread on it awhile ago. If you look it up. Maybe it will help.
Ok, let me close my eyes and wait for a seven headed beast to come out of some sea somewhere and punch on people his mark.
 
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Ok, let me close my eyes and wait for a seven headed beast to come out of some sea somewhere and punch on people his mark.

That 7 headed beast represents a literal event, not a symbolic one.

Prophesy has NEVER been a symbolic thing representing a symbolic event, NEVER.

Again, we have Daniel to use to prove this is true

Nebachadnezzar was a literal man, a king of babylon, he was not the head of a statute, or a lion with wings.

when daniel was told after 70 weeks, the city and temple was destroyed, the city and temple lay in ruins, Yet we know the fulfilment, the city and temple were rebuilt, and in 70 ad. The roman army destroyed the city and sanctuary.

It was not a symbolic event,

You interpret prophesy by taking all fulfilled prophesy as a guidline, All past prophesy was literally fulfilled. Hence all future prophesy should be also.
 

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That 7 headed beast represents a literal event, not a symbolic one.

Prophesy has NEVER been a symbolic thing representing a symbolic event, NEVER.

Again, we have Daniel to use to prove this is true

Nebachadnezzar was a literal man, a king of babylon, he was not the head of a statute, or a lion with wings.

when daniel was told after 70 weeks, the city and temple was destroyed, the city and temple lay in ruins, Yet we know the fulfilment, the city and temple were rebuilt, and in 70 ad. The roman army destroyed the city and sanctuary.

It was not a symbolic event,

You interpret prophesy by taking all fulfilled prophesy as a guidline, All past prophesy was literally fulfilled. Hence all future prophesy should be also.
And by literal event you mean there's going to be a time people will be forced to receive some kind of a mark on the forehead and right hand?

70 AD is nothing in that prophesy, a decoy by satan to keep people busy. Jesus said it needed wisdom, destroying a temple physical doesn't require wisdom to see.

The prophesies are being fulfilled but to know their fulfillment you require wisdom, not eyes.

Like i said before, we are already deep into this things we are almost at the end of the age.

"It shall be 2300 evenings and mornings and everything shall be done..."
 
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And by literal event you mean there's going to be a time people will be forced to receive some kind of a mark on the forehead and right hand?
You do know that is almost impossible today do you not? Banking by a mark or symbol used as an international banking is is actually possible in fact, in the near future

70 AD is nothing in that prophesy, a decoy by satan to keep people busy. Jesus said it needed wisdom, destroying a temple physical doesn't require wisdom to see.
Daniel was told after the messiah is cut off the prince of the people who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary. I would not call that a decoy, I would call that prophesy fulfilled. And it proves God gave the prophesy,. Because he said it would happen a few centuried before it occured, and it did.


The prophesies are being fulfilled but to know their fulfillment you require wisdom, not eyes.
No you need eyes, Prophesy is gien for a reason. God gave that reason, To PROVE he is the one and only God of the universe, because ONLY HE can say this will happen, and it comes to pass.

If prophesy is only wisdom, then it does not fulfill its purpose.


Like i said before, we are already deep into this things we are almost at the end of the age.

"It shall be 2300 evenings and mornings and everything shall be done..."
You think so huh? People have been saying the end is going to happen in a certain day for years. They have always been proven wrong, what makes you think we should listen to you?