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Unearthed

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A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:

If the story of Adam and Eve is literally true, then when only Adam and Eve existed there could have been a maximum of 4 different human eye colours.
This would be the case if the 4 human eyes (Adam had two, Eve had two) were all different colours.
However, there are now more than 25 human eye colours.

Many people who do not believe in evolution hold this position because they reason that a living thing could not possibly have some feature that its ancestors did not have - e.g. how could a sea creature evolve into a bird over millions of years...
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
 

Oncefallen

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What secular evolutionists don't seem to comprehend is that the vast majority of Christians who understand evolutionary THEORY do not reject evolution as a whole, only macro evolution.

There is tons of evidence of micro evolution (changes within a species) which in no way conflicts with the biblical account of creation. Think about it, humans regularly manipulate micro evolution to create new breeds of dog with very specific traits yet all that crossbreeding and inbreeding has yet to result in anything other than a dog.

There is, however, after 100 years of evolutionary theory absolutely no credible evidence of macro evolution (one species changing into another).
 

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A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:

If the story of Adam and Eve is literally true, then when only Adam and Eve existed there could have been a maximum of 4 different human eye colours.
This would be the case if the 4 human eyes (Adam had two, Eve had two) were all different colours.
However, there are now more than 25 human eye colours.

Many people who do not believe in evolution hold this position because they reason that a living thing could not possibly have some feature that its ancestors did not have - e.g. how could a sea creature evolve into a bird over millions of years...
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
Adam and Eve contained within their DNA all the genetic material to develop all of the eye colours, skin tones, hair textures, and every other genetic variation known within the human species. They need not have exhibited every possible variation. Most inherited genetic specificity is a result of the loss of genetic material, not the addition of it.
 

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A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:

If the story of Adam and Eve is literally true, then when only Adam and Eve existed there could have been a maximum of 4 different human eye colours.
This would be the case if the 4 human eyes (Adam had two, Eve had two) were all different colours.
However, there are now more than 25 human eye colours.

Many people who do not believe in evolution hold this position because they reason that a living thing could not possibly have some feature that its ancestors did not have - e.g. how could a sea creature evolve into a bird over millions of years...
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
Evolution is no more true than the flat earth theory. It is easy to explain how every human characteristic, including physiological features such as skin colour could arise from God's creation.

Every attribute of all human beings was included in Adam. He had all the genetic information. This principle can be seen in dog breeding. Most modern breeds were selectively produced by carefully breeding from mongrel dogs. The genetic coding was in the mongrel to start with.

Evolution is impossible. This is just one of many web sites devoted to exposing the fallacies that make up evolutionary theory.

http://scienceagainstevolution.info/index.shtml
 

AandW

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Evolution's biggest issue is the origins of life and the conditions surrounding the Big Bang to the formation of Earth and its process to arrive at the point of originating life. If we were to take Genesis 1 and 2 and call that the origins of all life, Evolution would fit very well after that point.
 

Nehemiah6

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...how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
God is not limited by any means. The descendants of Noah's sons would have received various genetic differences in order to produce the various ethnic groups. It is not just eye color, but all kinds of other variations.
 

iamsoandso

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And the most important part of the issue is that if,,, mankind evolved then from the first man until now every man never needed a savior(Jesus) because they would have been in the process of evolution and therefor not guilty of sin,,,,at least until they complete their evolution...
 

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A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:

If the story of Adam and Eve is literally true, then when only Adam and Eve existed there could have been a maximum of 4 different human eye colours.
This would be the case if the 4 human eyes (Adam had two, Eve had two) were all different colours.
However, there are now more than 25 human eye colours.

Many people who do not believe in evolution hold this position because they reason that a living thing could not possibly have some feature that its ancestors did not have - e.g. how could a sea creature evolve into a bird over millions of years...
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

The fish, sea life, birds, creatures, and creeping things of the earth were made after their kind which means they did not evolve from another species, which God created all the living birds, fish, creatures, and creeping things in their mature form and they reproduced from there.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God created Adam in his mature form as man and not evolved from another species, and created him from the dust of the earth and not from another species.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

God created Eve without evolution.

God does not need to use evolution to create things for He understands the workings of physical matter and can form it in to whatever He wants as a whole.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The 6 days of creation are literal days.

God is an omnipresent Spirit and God created fast because He does not have to move so He can create things at the same time in different locations.
 

mustaphadrink

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Evolution's biggest issue is the origins of life and the conditions surrounding the Big Bang to the formation of Earth and its process to arrive at the point of originating life. If we were to take Genesis 1 and 2 and call that the origins of all life, Evolution would fit very well after that point.
So far, I have yet to meet an atheist that can explain the origin of life.
 

mustaphadrink

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Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

The fish, sea life, birds, creatures, and creeping things of the earth were made after their kind which means they did not evolve from another species, which God created all the living birds, fish, creatures, and creeping things in their mature form and they reproduced from there.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God created Adam in his mature form as man and not evolved from another species, and created him from the dust of the earth and not from another species.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

God created Eve without evolution.

God does not need to use evolution to create things for He understands the workings of physical matter and can form it in to whatever He wants as a whole.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The 6 days of creation are literal days.

God is an omnipresent Spirit and God created fast because He does not have to move so He can create things at the same time in different locations.
I read the story of a lady who went to heaven. This lady loved flowers. She said wouldn't it be lovely to see lots of flowers. In that moment the land before was a carpet of flowers. In the twinkling of an eye?
 

Unearthed

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Adam and Eve contained within their DNA all the genetic material to develop all of the eye colours, skin tones, hair textures, and every other genetic variation known within the human species. They need not have exhibited every possible variation. Most inherited genetic specificity is a result of the loss of genetic material, not the addition of it.
This is not true, and is a misunderstanding of evolution.


Evolution's biggest issue is the origins of life and the conditions surrounding the Big Bang to the formation of Earth and its process to arrive at the point of originating life. If we were to take Genesis 1 and 2 and call that the origins of all life, Evolution would fit very well after that point.
Evolution does not seek to explain the big bang theory, the origin of the universe, or how life started.
They're different topics entirely.


So far, I have yet to meet an atheist that can explain the origin of life.
As above, evolution is not an explanation of the origin of life.
1000 years ago humans could not explain magnetism, and believed that the elements were fire, earth, wind and water....
 

Unearthed

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What secular evolutionists don't seem to comprehend is that the vast majority of Christians who understand evolutionary THEORY do not reject evolution as a whole, only macro evolution.

There is tons of evidence of micro evolution (changes within a species) which in no way conflicts with the biblical account of creation. Think about it, humans regularly manipulate micro evolution to create new breeds of dog with very specific traits yet all that crossbreeding and inbreeding has yet to result in anything other than a dog.

There is, however, after 100 years of evolutionary theory absolutely no credible evidence of macro evolution (one species changing into another).
Interesting that you believe in "micro evolution" but not "macro evolution" because "there is no evidence for one species turning into another".

So do you think wolves and chihuahuas are the same species?
 

JaumeJ

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This should be in the conspiracy theory forum.... if there is one.
 

Unearthed

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I don't even know why many like-minded Christians choose not to believe that evolution is a fact.

It reminds me of how in the 16th century Galileo was placed under house arrest for going against religious dogma that stated that the world is at the centre of the universe.
We now say that nothing in the Bible actually supports this belief and we rightly label it "religious dogma".

But the same is true for evolution - nothing in the Bible actually goes against it, and yet some religious folk shun it for no reason.
 

iamsoandso

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I don't even know why many like-minded Christians choose not to believe that evolution is a fact.

It reminds me of how in the 16th century Galileo was placed under house arrest for going against religious dogma that stated that the world is at the centre of the universe.
We now say that nothing in the Bible actually supports this belief and we rightly label it "religious dogma".

But the same is true for evolution - nothing in the Bible actually goes against it, and yet some religious folk shun it for no reason.

If we/you are an evolving creation then mankind was not created in a state of perfection,that is in his generation's. So then if man was created in a state of evolution then he is not responsible for his actions because God did not create him in that state(not yet completely evolved) and mankind then would not be guilty of sin because it is in a state of pre-final evolution and therefore "innocent as created by God" and then would have no need of an savior. So then evolution nullifies the necessity of an savior which cannot be true if Jesus(savior) is the first-born of all creation https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-15.htm ,,,the one nullifies the other.
 

Gideon300

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Evolution's biggest issue is the origins of life and the conditions surrounding the Big Bang to the formation of Earth and its process to arrive at the point of originating life. If we were to take Genesis 1 and 2 and call that the origins of all life, Evolution would fit very well after that point.
Except it does not fit at all well. There is zero evidence that evolution has ever taken place. I say evidence advisedly. No one has observed evolution and for every postulated theory there are ample arguments to undo those theories.

Evolutionists have become intellectually dishonest. They've changed their terminology to "prove" that evolution happens. It used to be known as adaptation, which is observable and logical. One "kind" of creature becoming another does not happen. I avoid the word species here because it's somewhat vague and it is not in the Bible.

Christians who believe evolution have to call God a liar. His word makes it clear what He did in the beginning. It also makes a mockery of the creation of man and mankind's supreme position in God's creation. It makes the concept of sin meaningless. I've read all kinds of intellectual gymnastics that try to force God's word into an evolutionary world view. None of them make any sense.

Just some advice. If your worldview clashes with what the Bible has to say, revise your worldview. it's called "the renewing of the mind" and is essential for spiritual growth. (Romans 12:2)
 

Gideon300

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I don't even know why many like-minded Christians choose not to believe that evolution is a fact.

It reminds me of how in the 16th century Galileo was placed under house arrest for going against religious dogma that stated that the world is at the centre of the universe.
We now say that nothing in the Bible actually supports this belief and we rightly label it "religious dogma".

But the same is true for evolution - nothing in the Bible actually goes against it, and yet some religious folk shun it for no reason.
I shun evolution for a perfectly good reason. It's not true. If you can show me one proven case of evolution - and I do not mean adaptation - then I may rethink my position. For every supposed "proof" of evolution, I can show you ample refutation. Most evolutionists argue that it happened because it happened. I don't accept such shallow assertions. For example, I know enough about complex systems to say that a reptile evolving into a mammal is utterly implausible. For a cold blooded creature to evolve into a warm blooded creature for no reason whatever, with no mechanism to ensure that the creature survived, when both male and female had to evolve at the same time, in the same place and survive long enough to breed? I would sooner believe in the Tooth Fairy.
 

iamsoandso

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Except it does not fit at all well. There is zero evidence that evolution has ever taken place. I say evidence advisedly. No one has observed evolution and for every postulated theory there are ample arguments to undo those theories.

Evolutionists have become intellectually dishonest. They've changed their terminology to "prove" that evolution happens. It used to be known as adaptation, which is observable and logical. One "kind" of creature becoming another does not happen. I avoid the word species here because it's somewhat vague and it is not in the Bible.

Christians who believe evolution have to call God a liar. His word makes it clear what He did in the beginning. It also makes a mockery of the creation of man and mankind's supreme position in God's creation. It makes the concept of sin meaningless. I've read all kinds of intellectual gymnastics that try to force God's word into an evolutionary world view. None of them make any sense.

Just some advice. If your worldview clashes with what the Bible has to say, revise your worldview. it's called "the renewing of the mind" and is essential for spiritual growth. (Romans 12:2)

Indeed if a man evolves then man who is created in the image of God, would mean God himself is in the midst of evolution and that man himself is becoming God.
 

DeanM

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The religion of science rears its head yet again.
 

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A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:

If the story of Adam and Eve is literally true, then when only Adam and Eve existed there could have been a maximum of 4 different human eye colours.
This would be the case if the 4 human eyes (Adam had two, Eve had two) were all different colours.
However, there are now more than 25 human eye colours.

Many people who do not believe in evolution hold this position because they reason that a living thing could not possibly have some feature that its ancestors did not have - e.g. how could a sea creature evolve into a bird over millions of years...
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?

it really is simple :


  1. evolution is a theory, not truth. it has been taught as truth yet without scientific proof.
  2. it also depends on one world view We here at CC most have what is known as a Christian worldview, not a secular humanistic one.
  3. Christians hold to the bible as the word of God which provides enough for us to this very point God is. God is the first Cause uncaused. HE is the self-existent One.
  4. The Bible doesn't provide every single detail of man other than God made us. In context to the eyeball I think also missed the fact there is not one Eyeball that has been found in a person that is the same details as one with the same color eye, just like the fingerprint. In addition, those who look at the eyeball and try to suggest the development of the eye over millions of years is very funny because it happens every day in the womb of the mother and completed 5 months after birth.

  5. Which I might add is a big problem for those who hold to the theory of evolution. I can go one but I think most evolutionist heads just exploded with what I said thus far. :)