Faith and Deeds

[eternally-gratefull]

And faith without works is no faith at all.

Can't be saved by claiming "I believe in Jesus, and that's all the faith I need"

No evidence, no faith.

hey you got somehing right.

no faih equals no salvation.

now, stop using it to prove you can lose salvation, because it does not prove that at all,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Don't you think people get tired of you constantly steering their posts to say "faith is works"?

Nobody on this thread has said that except maybe once, & you're riding it into the ground like a dead horse.

Give it a rest will ya?

you have not been here long have you?

We will give it a rest when the workers give it a rest

 

[seed_time_harvest]

He repented and justified Jesus - "We are rightfully being punished, but this man has done nothing wrong"

He confessed Jesus as lord and believed in his heart that GOD would raise him from the dead - "Remember me lord when you come into your kingdom"

Sounds like saving faith to me. And Jesus said that it was - "Today you will be with me in paradise"

I don't know If you said that quite right but here Is a scripture.
Galations 2:16
King James Version(KJV)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified
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Yes the man did no physical works.Some here believe that when JESUS that the works of GOD Is to believe In the WORD that was sent to earth manifested In the flesh Is talking about physical works even though HE said that the words that he speaks are spiritual and they are life so then I wonder what do they think the bible means when It says rewards will be tested to see what manner they are.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I don't know If you said that quite right but here Is a scripture.
Galations 2:16
King James Version(KJV)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified
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Yes the man did no physical works.Some here believe that when JESUS that the works of GOD Is to believe In the WORD that was sent to earth manifested In the flesh Is talking about physical works even though HE said that the words that he speaks are spiritual and they are life so then I wonder what do they think the bible means when It says rewards will be tested to see what manner they are.

IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS​

Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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romans 3

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous

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2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

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we are saved by grace through faith....


and when we (born again sons and daughters of God)
are judged

we will also be judged by the same standard as EVERYONE

the difference between the saved
and unsaved

is the unsaved have their own righteousness that they will be judged by

those covered by the sacrifice of Jesus will be judged by His in regards to salvation...

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TO ALL WHO BELIEVE​

Acts 13:39
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

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John 3:15-17
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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BEING BORN FROM ABOVE PRODUCES SONS, NOT PRETENDERS WHO STOP BELIEVING​

hebrews 10


35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us

I believe I am saved by grace through faith, and not of deeds/works


as the bible clearly explains over and over again

when a born again believer, an adopted son of God is judged

he/she will be spotless

not having their own righteousness
but the righteousness of Jesus which is by faith


the deeds/works are a product of the Holy spirit
the new heart
being made new


these are done out of love

not to earn, or keep salvation

they cannot earn or keep salvation....
if you believe they can

you believe in works salvation and reject the fact it is God who saves

and not man


this same stumbling block is spoken of in romans 9...

 

[NoNameMcgee]

We are saved by grace through faith before deeds or works, apart from deeds and works, unto deeds and works.
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


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1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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James 2:10
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

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romans 3

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith


romans 5
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


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after we are born again and
given a new heart and a quickened heart though a saving faith what follows is God working in you

this will manifest as "deeds" and "works"
also as new desires for righteousness

and a new hate for the pleasures of your fleshly lusts

God chastens His children
and works thier trials
failures
and even victories through walking the the spirit for good in the long run


this is more than just deeds or works

this is spiritual fruit
a new man/woman of an incorruptible seed


though we may not be perfect while still in this sinful flesh

there will be fruit in His children

some 30
some 60
some 100

love and evidential faith is the point being made in the verses the OP posted


because works played no part in the justification of abraham

it was faith apart from works


but a genuine faith is followed by works

Romans 4
4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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Galatians 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

romans 9
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



may God bless those of you who are currently without the the truth
with wisdom and assurance in His promises

 

[tourist]

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. James 2:14-24

I believe that your spiritual reasoning on this is on a solid foundation. The best type of prayer is an answered prayer. Praying for someone when you are actually in a positon to help them is spiritual negligence.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't know If you said that quite right but here Is a scripture.
Galations 2:16
King James Version(KJV)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified
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Yes the man did no physical works.Some here believe that when JESUS that the works of GOD Is to believe In the WORD that was sent to earth manifested In the flesh Is talking about physical works even though HE said that the words that he speaks are spiritual and they are life so then I wonder what do they think the bible means when It says rewards will be tested to see what manner they are.

I was thinking of Romans 10:9. The repentant thief on the cross did exactly that.

if you confess with your mouth “Jesus [is] Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9​

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I don't know If you said that quite right but here Is a scripture.
Galations 2:16
King James Version(KJV)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified
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Yes the man did no physical works.Some here believe that when JESUS that the works of GOD Is to believe In the WORD that was sent to earth manifested In the flesh Is talking about physical works even though HE said that the words that he speaks are spiritual and they are life so then I wonder what do they think the bible means when It says rewards will be tested to see what manner they are.

A person's motivation for the spiritual actions that they do Is the focus and not good works that they do that brings glory to themself.

 

[know1]

I believe I am saved by grace through faith, and not of deeds/works


as the bible clearly explains over and over again

when a born again believer, an adopted son of God is judged

he/she will be spotless

not having their own righteousness
but the righteousness of Jesus which is by faith


the deeds/works are a product of the Holy spirit
the new heart
being made new


these are done out of love

not to earn, or keep salvation

they cannot earn or keep salvation....
if you believe they can

you believe in works salvation and reject the fact it is God who saves

and not man


this same stumbling block is spoken of in romans 9...

What kind of deeds or works are a product of the Holy Spirit other than a changed heart?
What deeds or works proves you are a child of God?
How do they relate to the kind of Works written in James 2?
Are the works in James 2 talking about working for your salvation when He says, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

 

[Crustyone]

We are probably not saved just by being righteous, but by telling others of God and Jesus. (1 Peter 4:18 [FONT=&quot]And, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”) That is followed by (Romans 10:10 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.)(NIV)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What kind of deeds or works are a product of the Holy Spirit other than a changed heart?
What deeds or works proves you are a child of God?
How do they relate to the kind of Works written in James 2?
Are the works in James 2 talking about working for your salvation when He says, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

The example of work that James gave I would call a work of opportunity. He didn't say anything about, let's say, volunteering at a soup kitchen one day a week, but about being ready when the opportunity presented itself to help someone with basic necessities. There is another example of this type of good work in the book of Acts (Acts 9:10), where Ananias had a heart tuned to hear and do the lord's bidding to get Saul started on the right path.