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luigi

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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?
 

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Trusting that Jesus alone paid the price for our sins & that we are assured of eternal life with God.
 

JaumeJ

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Read the Gospels, and Jesus reveals what you want to know better than anyone, however faith is modeling yourself as best possible after Him.........and not just mouthing His words but doing them.
 

luigi

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This is what believing in Christ means to me.
In Luke 10, the Lord speaks of a priest, a rabbi, and a Samaritan.
The first two who supposedly believed in God did not believe in loving their neighbor, while the Samaritan (a gentile, and supposed unbeliever), believed in loving his neighbor.
 

luigi

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At the resurrection, whom of the three individuals in Luke 10 do you think the Lord is going to tell He never knew them, and who do you think the Lord will tell he knows him?
 

luigi

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Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
 
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Faith as a work of God or labor of His love.It reveals to us that God works in us to both will and do his good pleasure .It is the gift given to unregenerate man (no faith) by which man can hear God not seen and believe to the salvation of his soul.

Roman 3 helps us to understand what if some did not believe God (no faith) would it make the work of the Spirit of Christ faith without effect. To effect something is to work. Faith without effecting substance as no life to offer.

For what if some did not believe (no faith) ? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Roman 3:3-4

The opening commandment in James 2 informs us if we were to have the faith that comes from hearing god in respect to persons of DNA seen in the end of the matter verse 7 we would be blaspheming the holy name by which we are called heavenward.

James 2 King James Version (KJV) verse 1 and 7

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons

7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

Blasphemy today now that the Son of man is no longer here would not be forgiven. It was forgiven of Peter when the Son of man was here on earth.

A perfect example of blasphemy that calms the storm of indifference. Peter shown violating the commandment in James 2:1

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23
 

Yahshua

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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?
Building precept upon precept...

1) What is faith?
Knowing something is truth without physical evidence for proof it's true. Key point is we can't see it but believe it. (Heb 11:1).


2) What was Christ sent to do?
Repair the relationship between Israel and Yah (prefigured in the Law's blood atonement rites) that none of the high priests before him could truly do because they were lawbreakers and had no pure human blood. (Heb 10:1-5).


3) Why is faith required in this?
Because the true temple - where the real version of these blood atonement rites were to be completed - is in heaven, and no man has been to heaven or can enter into heaven unless they're clean. It's the Most Holy place. So we can't see Christ performing these cleansing rites, we must simply know it's happening (Heb 9:23-24).


4) Is that all? Why else is faith required in Christ?
We've never met him in the flesh. Every high priest gives gifts to the people as representative of Yah (Heb 8:3), likewise Christ gives the gifts of grace and his own Spirit from heaven to teach and lead and empower Yah's people in godliness and obedience (Titus 2:12). So we have to first know that he IS before we can get these gifts, since we can't see him (Heb 11:6).

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Evidence of our faith in Christ is when we do all that Christ said to do (James 2:14-26), not a mental ascension. Obedience to his words proves we believe (a) that he exists, (b) that he's atoned for our sin and (c) that he's given us the gifts necessary to cleanse our conscience and live like Christ in this fallen world


John 20:29
"...blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
 

DiscipleDave

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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?
Faith in Christ is believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, died and rose from the dead.

But Faith ONLY is not grants Salvation, as some people from this generation teach. Believing ONLY is not enough according to Scriptures, sure it is enough according to this last days generation, but is NOT enough according to the Word of God.

Heb_5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (NOT to those who disobey HIM)

Who receives the Holy Ghost according to Scriptures?

Act_5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. (NOT to those who disobey HIM)

1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


Woe to any person, Jew or Greek or YOU, if you claim you know HIM, but do not keep His Commandments. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth from thousands who profess with their mouths they Know and Believe Jesus, but fail to keep His Commandments.

Now people of this generation will be more than glad to tell you what His Commandments are, But let us go and see what the Apostle John plainly and clearly tells us what His Commandments are:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, (FAITH) and 2) love one another, (WORKS) as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So according to the Word of God, those who Believe on Jesus Christ (Faith) AND Love One Another (Works) are they that will receive Eternal Life. Woe to any person who just has Works, but no Faith. Likewise woe to this generation who just has Faith and no works. Faith and Works go hand in hand. Believing and Loving One Another = His Commandments. Those who do one and NOT BOTH, are deceived and believe false doctrines which derived from the interpretations of humans.

Believe in Jesus + Love One Another = His Commandments
Faith + Works = His Commandments.
A person who has Faith but no Works = DEAD (Goat)
A person who has Works but no Faith = DEAD (Wolf)
A person who has both Faith and Works = Eternal Life (Sheep)

Believe the Word of God, NOT what humans teach.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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DiscipleDave

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Trusting that Jesus alone paid the price for our sins & that we are assured of eternal life with God.
Scriptures teaches that it is more than believing only. Scriptures teach that Eternal Life is to those who OBEY Him. Is that True or not True?

What Does Jesus COMMAND us to do? Love One Another. Woe to those who think believing ONLY is enough for eternal Salvation when Scriptures over and over again plainly and clearly teaches otherwise.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

DiscipleDave

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This is what believing in Christ means to me.
In Luke 10, the Lord speaks of a priest, a rabbi, and a Samaritan.
The first two who supposedly believed in God did not believe in loving their neighbor, while the Samaritan (a gentile, and supposed unbeliever), believed in loving his neighbor.
Amen, Believe in Christ (Faith) AND Love One Another (Works).
God is LOVE.
When we LOVE OTHERS, we are Loving God.
When we fail to Love Others,, we FAIL to LOVE GOD.
Woe to those who fail to Love God, by failing to Love Others.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 
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We must understand that God doesn't give victory to men, only to Christ; His victory becomes ours, as we are properly in Him (John 14:20; Romans 6:3-5).

“WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR ONE TO PLACE ONE’S FAITH IN THE CROSS OF CHRIST?

ANSWER:

It means for one to place their faith exclusively in Christ and what He did for us at the Cross, exclusive of everything else.
There is nothing physical about placing one’s faith in the Cross of Christ. It is simply a matter of Believing.

BELIEVING WHAT?

We are to understand and, therefore, believe that every single thing that comes to anyone from God comes by the means of Christ and what Christ has done for us at the Cross. This means that Salvation comes to the sinner because of what Jesus did at the Cross. It means that every single Blessing received by the Believer from the Lord was all made possible by the Cross. In other words, anything that anyone has ever received from the Lord is because Jesus offered Himself as a Sacrifice on Calvary’s Cross, which paid the sin debt, making it possible for God to deal directly with human beings, at least those who believe.”

Excerpt From
Brother Swaggart, Here Is My Question About The Cross
Jimmy Swaggart
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/br...my-question-about-the-cross/id917790228?mt=11
This material may be protected by copyright.
 
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“EVERYTHING IS IN CHRIST AND THE CROSS

Now, it should be understood, the only way that mankind can approach God is by virtue of the Cross of Christ. This means that everything we receive from the Lord, as well, is all made possible by the Cross.”

Excerpt From
Brother Swaggart, Here Is My Question About The Cross
Jimmy Swaggart
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/br...my-question-about-the-cross/id917790228?mt=11
This material may be protected by copyright.
 

Nehemiah6

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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?
Luigi, Super Mario should have the answer.:cool:

All jokes aside, faith in Christ means exactly what Christ said in Matthew 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


So according to this passage, the first step is believer's baptism, followed by obedience of all the commandments of Christ.
 
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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

The just shall live by faith, for the invisible things of God are clearly seen in creation concerning His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing and shelter, so the world is without excuse if they do not believe in a higher power, and love this higher power, and love people.

Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Blessed is the person that has not seen Jesus, witness to His resurrection from the dead, and God in a visible manifestation, the only way we can see the invisible God, but believes.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

We walk by faith, and not by sight.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

We cannot see God but we must have faith that He exists, and will reward all people who follow Him.

Faith is believing in what you cannot see with the physical eye, and to believe in Jesus as Savior is to believe that He died and rose again without actually witnessing it like the disciples did for they seen Jesus after He rose from the dead.

Which the Bible testifies of the truth, which we believe is true, and God said He identifies Himself as the one true God by showing us the end from the beginning, the whole history of mankind, and every kingdom on earth until the beast kingdom where He puts down the wicked, which God said no other religion or person will be able to do that.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

We have to have faith, and believe that God does exist, and He is good towards us if we follow Him, and His kingdom does exist, and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and that He died according to His humanity and rose again in 3 days providing salvation for all who have faith and believe without actually seeing anything concerning that God does exist, and His kingdom, and Jesus rose from the dead.

But after we have faith and believe then the Spirit will reveal the spiritual kingdom, and the truth to us further strengthening our faith, but we still do not get to see physical evidence for we walk by faith and not by sight.

We cannot see God, but we have faith that He does exist, and we cannot see His kingdom, but we have faith it does exist, and we have not witnessed Jesus after He rose from the dead testifying He is the invisible God in a human manifestation, but we have faith it is true.

And that is faith.

Blessed is the person that has not seen Jesus but still believes.
 

Embankment

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Scriptures teaches that it is more than believing only. Scriptures teach that Eternal Life is to those who OBEY Him. Is that True or not True?

What Does Jesus COMMAND us to do? Love One Another. Woe to those who think believing ONLY is enough for eternal Salvation when Scriptures over and over again plainly and clearly teaches otherwise.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Not true
 

luigi

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When someone today says that they believe in someone; it is generally understood that they believe in that individuals perspectives, ideals, and actions.
The same applies to the three individuals in Luke 10, the first two did not believe in Christs perspectives, ideals and actions, while the Samaritan did. The Lord will tell the Samaritan and others like him who believed in loving their neighbor that He (Love) knows them, while the first two the Lord will tell that He (Love) never knew them, as they never knew love.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
 

Adstar

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I see a lot of people claiming faith in Christ for their salvation; but what does having faith in Christ really mean?
Faith = Trusting... Faith is trusting that the Atonement that Jesus secured for the forgiveness of our sins will secure our eternal salvation when we trust it does..
 

luigi

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Faith = Trusting... Faith is trusting that the Atonement that Jesus secured for the forgiveness of our sins will secure our eternal salvation when we trust it does..
You can believe in an atonement while doing other than loving your neighbor, or you can believe in an atonement for your prior actions while realizing a new perspective as indicated in scriptures in loving your neighbor.
If you believe in the first perspective, however, where you do not love your neighbor, then you will be among those whom the Lord will declare to, Him (Love) never having known them.
 

Adstar

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You can believe in an atonement while doing other than loving your neighbor, or you can believe in an atonement for your prior actions while realizing a new perspective as indicated in scriptures in loving your neighbor.
So do you believe the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ only covers you for the sins that you sinned before you where saved?