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You are alluding that the worst of times in Matthew 24 do not happen.
While I agree that we are not at the worst of times yet, it nevertheless is apparent to me that we are at the beginning of sorrows where wars, pestilences, famines, and earthquakes are occurring have commenced.

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
And, again. You've missed the lessons of history. Find out what happened to first, second, and third century Christians. Then read Revelation, which was directed to those people, because they needed to know God was still in full control more than we need to know it. And then try and tell me we're merely the beginning of sorrows. Truthfully, we have it good!
 

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And, again. You've missed the lessons of history. Find out what happened to first, second, and third century Christians. Then read Revelation, which was directed to those people, because they needed to know God was still in full control more than we need to know it. And then try and tell me we're merely the beginning of sorrows. Truthfully, we have it good!
Yes, we currently have it relatively good compared to 1st through 3rd century Christians. However, that does not mean that the data in Matthew 24 and Revelation 13 was in regards to those individuals. Most of the data from Matthew 24 which correlates with the data in Mark 13 and Luke 21, along with Daniel 7 through 9, and Revelation 13 does not match with events in those times.
I aware of your dogmatic perspectives, and I know that there is no arguing the issue.
The only thing we can do now is wait to see when the relatively good we as Christians are experiencing now becomes considerably worse than those experienced by the early Christians. I wonder what your mind frame and those like you will be then, if you will acknowledge your having been deceived by Satan's false illumination and acknowledge the truth, or if Satan will continue deluding you with his lies.
 
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Does not it say that God will send delusion and ALL who will not receive the love of the truth will embrace the lie that they all might be damned.... <-Judged.....? Sure it does and it is coincidal with the apo-hystamie (apostasy) from the truth....It tells us that that the mystery of iniquity is already at work conditioning humanity (imo) to receive the man of sin as God......that is how I view the apostasy....humanity mjst be conditioned to the point that it will receive a miracle working man claiming to be God...one that can call down fire from heaven and do all signs and false wonders...the same individual who is empowered by Satan hiimself....who stands possessed and empowered by Satan.....and the delusion by God will ALLOW all who will not receive the truth to be deceived and believe the one who is false!
 

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Does not it say that God will send delusion and ALL who will not receive the love of the truth will embrace the lie that they all might be damned.... <-Judged.....? Sure it does and it is coincidal with the apo-hystamie (apostasy) from the truth....It tells us that that the mystery of iniquity is already at work conditioning humanity (imo) to receive the man of sin as God......that is how I view the apostasy....humanity mjst be conditioned to the point that it will receive a miracle working man claiming to be God...one that can call down fire from heaven and do all signs and false wonders...the same individual who is empowered by Satan hiimself....who stands possessed and empowered by Satan.....and the delusion by God will ALLOW all who will not receive the truth to be deceived and believe the one who is false!
Yes, the Word does say that God will send strong delusion on all those who will reject the love for the truth.
I'm sure there may very well be some on this and other Christian forums, but I think it more specifically applies to all those who will be enamored with the beasts system, and thus reject the love for the truth that will conflict with the beasts system.
From what I understand of Revelation 13:4, the whole faithless world will be enamored with the beasts system.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 [FONT=&quot]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
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2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This delusion has not happened yet,for this is a delusion that people cannot snap out of,but people have the ability to get out of delusion now.

Satan is on a leash,and can only do so much,but one day he will not be on a leash as far as the wicked are concerned,and will deceive all people who do not love God.

God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom.The first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,but when the world takes the mark of the beast then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the world,and God can end this sin business on earth.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

The Gentile nations will come together and say,Peace and safety,as they try to solve their problems on earth,and achieve peace.They will operate by a ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and a unified religious system based on spiritual evolution through nature,and all not compatible will not be accepted,and a hate crime for a person to try to convert someone to their religion,and belief,punishable in the international criminal court system,and the time that the world will not want to accept the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,power through nature,and Christianity will rapidly lose its impact on the world to reach them with the Gospel.

The ten horn kingdom will fail at obtaining peace on earth.The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to God,but after the 6th trumpet the world does not repent of their sins,and turn to God,but keep trying to solve their problems by their own efforts,not seeking the guidance of a higher power,so God gives them the man of sin to rule over them,for God will now put them down,and end this sin business on earth.

At the end of the three and one half years the world does not turn to God,and is the falling away first.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full(the falling away first when the world is at its worse in rebellion before they accept the beast), a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

After the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God,so He allows the man of sin to deceive all who do not love God,and follow him.

Time to separate the men from the boys,and those playing around,and those that are serious,for the time will declare it.

War will break out in heaven,and the devils are cast to earth,and it becomes their holding cell,and Satan is no longer the prince of the power of the air,and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God,and does not abide in the truth,which is a strong delusion they cannot snap out of,and the devils are off their leash concerning the wicked of the world.

The devil is on a leash right now,but there will come a time he will be off his leash to deceive the wicked,all those who do not keep the commandments of God,and the testimony of Jesus,and does not uphold righteousness,and they will follow the beast kingdom,and when they take the mark of the beast then God can end this sin business on earth.