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whosoever calleth upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved. try the spirits if they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh then they are of God. Shall be saved, this is salvation, who has come in the Flesh, Jesus Christ. Christ meaning Messiah/Saviour, this is salvation. I come that ye may have life, this is salvation. Not only that ye have life, but have it more abundantly. It is the Lord Jesus Christ that is able to save, it is the Saviour, Jesus Christ that has provided salvation to all those that trust in Him.

Ps 78:21Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel;Ps 78:22Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:

Thou art my Shepherd:


Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that GREAT SHEPHERD of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

So you have made Him your Saviour, you have asked Him to be your Lord. But will you allow Him to be your Shepherd, will you enter into His flock? and stay with the flock or will you be like the lost sheep, who often wanders from the eye Of the shepherd that looks over thee? He Is still your Shepherd and is seeking you to bring you back to the more abundantly Life that he can provide. To be a child of God exalts us, to be the bride of the King of kings exalts us, to be a servant in the best Kingdom ever exalts us, But to be as a lamb, as the Lamb of God, as Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour was to the Father, that we will even allow Him to drive us to the slaughter. even though He slays me, I will trust In the My God. For this is the; that they may have life more abundantly, The Lord Is My Shepherd, Is He? Are you with the flock now or have you wandered off? Are you staying in the paths as The Great Shepherd leads you, or have you trodden your own paths? Have you gotten to where you can only look up and scream GOD WHERE ARE YOU? As you bleat out for the shepherd to come rescue you, or are you laying down in green pastures beside those still waters.


Ps 23:1A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.Ps 23:2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.Ps 23:3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.Ps 23:4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.Ps 23:5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.Ps 23:6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Will you follow The Great Shepherd today, or will you continue to go your way. Will you make Him your Shepherd today? Is the Lord our Shepherd? Can you say The Lord is My Shepherd!!!!!!

Joh 10:26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.Joh 10:27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:Joh 10:28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
 
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I have reasonable doubt and Scriptural support to call this statement inaccurate :)
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then You have a contradiction within scriptures, which just can't be. so it must be the way you are interpreting scriptures For what i quoted Is scripture


Ro 10:13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 
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then You have a contradiction within scriptures, which just can't be. so it must be the way you are interpreting scriptures For what i quoted Is scripture


Ro 10:13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Ah, but this is a perfect example of why ALL Scripture should be read in context and in harmony with each other! The Apostle Paul was nto writing his own inspired word here, he was quoting the inspired word of the prophet Joel.

Joel 2:32
At that time, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved. For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim there will be those who escape, as Adonai has promised; among the survivors will be those whom Adonai has called.

If we look back farther to see what "time" Joel was speaking of, we'll see that Joel was speaking of the END of all time, the great and terrible Day of Adonai (Joel 2:31). This is what Paul reinforced, that at the end of time all who call on the name of G-d shall be saved.

But as for our time, we need rely only on the words of Yeshua, the messiah and the Son of G-d.

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
 
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Ah, but this is a perfect example of why ALL Scripture should be read in context and in harmony with each other! The Apostle Paul was nto writing his own inspired word here, he was quoting the inspired word of the prophet Joel.

Joel 2:32
At that time, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved. For in Mount Tziyon and Yerushalayim there will be those who escape, as Adonai has promised; among the survivors will be those whom Adonai has called.

If we look back farther to see what "time" Joel was speaking of, we'll see that Joel was speaking of the END of all time, the great and terrible Day of Adonai (Joel 2:31). This is what Paul reinforced, that at the end of time all who call on the name of G-d shall be saved.

But as for our time, we need rely only on the words of Yeshua, the messiah and the Son of G-d.

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
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there is a big difference to call upon the Lord and to say to me, lord. sara call abraham lord she would say to him lord, But it was God That she called upon as Lord, and do you really believe your self that paul was telling the people in His day how to get saved on the last day?????? and I guess The Bible was wrong for the 3000 souls that got saved after peter preached the same, then they were not saved but had just received instrutions on how to get saved on the last day,


Ac 2:21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 
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there is a big difference to call upon the Lord and to say to me, lord. sara call abraham lord she would say to him lord, But it was God That she called upon as Lord, and do you really believe your self that paul was telling the people in His day how to get saved on the last day?????? and I guess The Bible was wrong for the 3000 souls that got saved after peter preached the same, then they were not saved but had just received instrutions on how to get saved on the last day,


Ac 2:21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Read the verse you posted again. AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS. The English of your KJV is a bit confusing to me, but what "pass" means is something that WILL happen in the future, but has not happened yet. "It shall come to pass" may mean in the future, not at that point.

And John was telling people of his time and people like us who would read Revelation how to get saved in the last days. So yes, I beleive that Paul was not dishonestly quoting Joel and quoted Joel because he concurred with what Joel said and G-d TOLD him to quote Joel. G-d doesn't do coincidence, so it's certainly no coincidence that Paul quoted WORD FOR WORD what Joel said.

And please, don't misrepresent what I said just because you disagree. That's dishonest, and it is immature. Certainly not becoming of a pastor. I did not say the 3000 people who were saved in that time were not really saved but were told how they would be saved in the last days. Joel was speaking to the people of his day and yet told them of the end of time. This doesn't mean he said that people would only be saved in that time. He just told them the message G-d told him to tell them, which is AT THE END OF TIME, ALL who call on the Name of G-d will be saved. But Yeshua is clear that not all who call on him will be saved, and even James and others in Scripture say that you can call on the Name of G-d but if you do not have works to back it up, you will ultimately be d a m ned. Faith without works is dead.
 
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Read the verse you posted again. AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS. The English of your KJV is a bit confusing to me, but what "pass" means is something that WILL happen in the future, but has not happened yet. "It shall come to pass" may mean in the future, not at that point.

And John was telling people of his time and people like us who would read Revelation how to get saved in the last days. So yes, I beleive that Paul was not dishonestly quoting Joel and quoted Joel because he concurred with what Joel said and G-d TOLD him to quote Joel. G-d doesn't do coincidence, so it's certainly no coincidence that Paul quoted WORD FOR WORD what Joel said.

And please, don't misrepresent what I said just because you disagree. That's dishonest, and it is immature. Certainly not becoming of a pastor. I did not say the 3000 people who were saved in that time were not really saved but were told how they would be saved in the last days. Joel was speaking to the people of his day and yet told them of the end of time. This doesn't mean he said that people would only be saved in that time. He just told them the message G-d told him to tell them, which is AT THE END OF TIME, ALL who call on the Name of G-d will be saved. But Yeshua is clear that not all who call on him will be saved, and even James and others in Scripture say that you can call on the Name of G-d but if you do not have works to back it up, you will ultimately be d a m ned. Faith without works is dead.
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this is only because peter was referring to the prophecy which was dealing with the last days peter said himself that what was going on now( at pentecost) was that prophecy, so was joel meaning that after this as; after this starts that whosoever calls upon the Lord. or as you see it that after even after the sun darkens and the moon turns to blood , then and only then will whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
then You tell me that I need to take all the Bible and not just one verse but you have over looked that Fact that scriptures says that about 3000 souls were saved when peter preached this and also in rev you are saying that the scriptures tell you that after the great day the Lord comes to Judged. That people will be able to call upon the name of the Lord and be saved. i found this very silly that you, who believe that God can use any transaltion of the Bible even it is is not all true , to lead someone to Him , but I try to post a post to encourge people to trust in the Lord and you have to fight against it with your twisted salvational doctrine. But the thing about this is when God layed it on my heart to post this to share with Others. he said that satan would raise up someone to try and tear it down. Go ahead take your best shot no matter how hard you fight it It will inspired someone to trust in the Lord and Saviour as Their Shepherd also for

1jo 4:4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
 
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Yeesh. Thankfully, I know enough preachers to know that your attitude doesn't represent all of them. Is this how you handle disagreements? Is this how you handle a person's attempt at gaining a better understand of the Scriptures? You accuse them of working with Satan.

I'm sorry that you are so unkind and spiteful. I will withdraw myself from this thread. You do not have a spirit of learning, you have a spirit of contention.
 
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