Forgiving Someone

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When you forgive it sets you free. when you don't forgive, you are letting it eat you up. When it keeps coming to your mind keep saying I already forgave that. When you are fisrt learning to really forgive people it doesn't mean that all the sudden you feel ok. Someone made you mad, hurt you or what ever. But we are not to live by what we feel. We don't let our emotions control us. We pray to do the will of God and to have his mind and his thoughts. So you are forgiving. You are obeying God and that is wonderful. And he is very pleased with you. After time it gets easier. After time when someone wrongs you, you will automatically be oh they made me mad God I forgive them. It will in time just roll off of you. Don't let your mind dwell on the bad things. Just forgive right away.
 
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Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. (James 5:16)

It is really hard to find forgiveness in our hearts towards someone who has never been 'sorry' for what they did to us. We long for that 'i'm sorry' because it openes a door to forgiveness. Without the 'asking' it is hard to 'give' what is being asked for.
My brother wronged me when I was very young but because he wanted to go into the ministry he felt compelled to write me a long 'need for forgiveness' letter and because of how he went about it, I forgave him because he desired a fresh start and he wanted to have nothing stand in the way of God working in his life. It was easier to forgive because he admitted to his crime. If we don't get that 'sorry' it is extremetly difficult to let go, but with God's help we can. I believe tho that it is a process... of letting go.
 
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shad

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If someone does something terrible to you and you ask the Lord to help you forgive them for it...and you believe that you have...how do you know if you really did? God tells us to forgive people and I am trying to do just that and not to EVER have contact with the person again, but rather I feel that I am supposed to for my own sanity and peace...

Any thoughts, advice or scripture to share with me on this issue?

Eph 4:32 'And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you'.

You believed upon God's Son for salvation because he paid for all your sins and when you believed, God forgave you of all your sins and He did it for Christ's sake. He forgave you because His Son paid for your sins by shedding His blood and dying on the cross. He did not forgive you because you repented, He forgave you because His Son died in your place and you believed it. God the Father forgave you because of what His Son did for you and as you on the cross.

Think of all the sins that we have sinned against the Father, all of them. Are they many or few? When you believed upon His Son, God the Father without blinking an eye, forgave everyone of your sins instantly and without hesitation and never imputed a single one of them to your account. God forgave all your sins without wavering and never remembers them anymore.

You ask how do we forgive someone who has sinned against us? Just like God did when He forgave you. ... forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you'.

 
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silverwind

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the question is... is this for believers? or do we forgive someone who is not a believer?
Jesus forgives as soon as we have repented. Without repentence there is no remission for sins. So if someone sins against us and is not a believer, should we forgive him/her? food for thought..
 
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shad

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Rom 3:22-25
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Acts 10:39-44
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

We have remission of sins when we believe and through faith in His blood.

Eph 1:6,7
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption and forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His grace.

1Jn 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ died for not just our sins but for the sins of the whole world. Is there any reason why we should not forgive those for whom Christ died? Bread for life!
 
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blindside683

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a couple things from scripture-
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•someone asked Jesus how many times to forgive someone, He answered not once, but seventy x seven

•The Bible says, dont even try to compare your problems to God's grace, no matter what youre dealing with, its nothing God can't handle, so let it go
 
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greatkraw

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Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. (James 5:16)

It is really hard to find forgiveness in our hearts towards someone who has never been 'sorry' for what they did to us. We long for that 'i'm sorry' because it openes a door to forgiveness. Without the 'asking' it is hard to 'give' what is being asked for.
My brother wronged me when I was very young but because he wanted to go into the ministry he felt compelled to write me a long 'need for forgiveness' letter and because of how he went about it, I forgave him because he desired a fresh start and he wanted to have nothing stand in the way of God working in his life. It was easier to forgive because he admitted to his crime. If we don't get that 'sorry' it is extremetly difficult to let go, but with God's help we can. I believe tho that it is a process... of letting go.
Silverwind, love yr profile.

Serious question - is that you or Lady Di?
 
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silverwind

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thanks greatkraw... indeed that 'is/was' me and i get that alot, lol.
 
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songster

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Forgiveness can be difficult, even when correctly perceiving the revelation of what Christ did for us. In a practical sense, I believe that we could desire to completely forgive, but at the same time, inwardly struggle with exactly how to go about it. One might say that we should relinquish control to God, giving up rights to punish, but I believe that even after this is done one does not necessarily rid him/herself of bitterness in the process. It is possible to refrain from wrath and retaliation, giving all punitive control over to God, and yet still harbor intense bitterness.

I sincerely believe that true forgiveness takes time, which varies according to the nature of the offense. The pain of the offense has to be healed within us. We could quote every scripture in the bible regarding forgiveness, but that only makes us aware of the goal, or , what we desire to do, or think we should do, in obedience to God, which certainly exhibits a desire to be in compliance with His word.

True forgiveness, from the heart, is when we have actually developed a desire for that person not to be punished. (This point does not necessarily pertain to legal issues having to do with criminal justice, but it can).

When an offense is committed against us, it is Pride which rises up. Pride is the primary hindrance when trying to forgive others. This pride, if not dealt with, will be exposed repeatedly in our lives in other situations until we realize that there is a pride problem. We can't forget that in striving for perfection, the Holy Spirit will reveal what is in our hearts. Often we are so focused on external circumstances surrounding offenses, that we overlook the greater problem that may lie within our own hearts.

Pride is what causes us to have 'internal conversations' about the individual/s who have offended us in some way. These internal conversations can create bitterness, stress, and even conditions which could eventually affect our health.

I believe that pure forgiveness is when we forgive a person as many times as it is necessary, (even for a single offense), until it becomes genuine within us. Eventually we should desire for that person to be released from any divine punishment that may be coming their way, by praying that the individual/s who committed the offense, would be forgiven by God. Simply getting out of the way so that God can apply some form of divine punishment, can still leave a root of contempt for that person until we are satisfied that they have suffered enough. Jesus provided us with a better example.

Luke 23:34

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Don't be deceived, one of satan's most powerful weapons against the church is offense, because he knows the pride that is so often given a place in our hearts. Repent of the pride, forgive the individual who committed the offense, ask God to heal you of the offense, then begin to ask God to forgive them also, then pray that if there is any way to reconcile, that God would do it in His time. Some have been won to Christ in these very situations. Recognize that a struggle or an inability to forgive is not a problem having to do with forgiveness at all, it is, without a doubt Pride.

This can also cause us to fall, or, to go back into old sins, which we may not have struggled with for a very long time. This is also one reason why certain individuals have problems breaking a cycle of sinful habits in their own lives, seemingly with no victory.

Proverbs 16:18

Pride goes before destruction, a haughty (stiff, unyielding, unsubmisive, hard-hearted, arrogant) spirit, before a fall.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I have observed that sometimes people have less difficulty forgiving some great wrong against them (stealing, lying, etc) than the smaller things (a poorly chosen word, an inattention, etc).
 
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We just forgive. It doesn't matter if they believe or not. What matters is that we obey what God tells us. He says to forgive. To forgive is not a choice we have. We are commanded to forgive or we will not be forgiven. In other words we could go to hell and burn forever. By us not forgiving we separate ourself from God opening the doors of hate, bitterness and these are doors to hell letting satan come into us. Its no good. Waiting for the offending party to tell us sorry is us making a excuse to still hold onto unforgiveness, hate and bitterness. As children of God we can't do that. And lots of times the person who has hurt us doesn't even know it or doesn't even care if they hurt us. Once more they are more than likely not even thinking about it at all. But us thinking about it as I said before is us allowing it to eat us up. Please just forgive everyone and pray for your enemies.
 
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Forgiven83

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Firstly, you are not obliged to forgive someone unless they ask you to. THis involves making restitution if they are able and it is appropriate.

I will give an example. My brother once borrowed money from me never intending to repay it. I have long since given up expecting to see it. I do not tell other people about it. I treat him civilly but I do not trust him in any financial matters and he knows better than to ask again.

A christian member of my family has lent him money many times which has never been paid. I think she forgives him each time although he never acknowleges his fault and he sees her as a soft touch.

There is a difference between foregive and forebear. You are entitled to learn from your experiences, just don't go continually badmouthing whoever it is to others; do not bear a grudge. The only exception is if there is a danger of someone experienceing the same betrayal from them.
Thats not scriptural - the soldiers that crucified Christ on the cross didnt ask for forgiveness, but He gave it anyway! I am going to follow God's example, not mans!

I have suffered some MAJOR hurt in my life, and I have found that the forgiveness I have come to feel for these people has not come all at once - it is a process. The enemy will try to speak into your head with words of anger, bitterness and angst but you have to speak against that over and over. Its a VERY hard thing, but it releases you from the situation and allows you to grow in faith and in relationship with Jesus. If you dont make the effort to forgive, REGARDLESS of whether they ask for it or not, your path will be blocked and you will find it very difficult to get God's amazing healing and grace. When we forgive freely, we shine to others in the name of Jesus nad people see that. It's a skill that is learnt over a long period of time, so don't be discouraged! God is faithful to teach you how to forgive, and he will continue to strengthen your resolve to forgive those who have hurt you and persecuted you if you ask Him. I dont care whether the world sees me as soft, or weak. It's how JESUS sees me that counts. God knows the strength that is found in forgiveness that exercises your soul - its not a strength the world acknowledges, but the heavens see the hard work and you will be rewarded for it one day! Do not give up, forgive DAILY and continue to forgive, speak scriptures out loud when you feel anger and bitterness, and do not let the enemy take root in your spirit. God Bless you :D
 
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blindside683

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I have observed that sometimes people have less difficulty forgiving some great wrong against them (stealing, lying, etc) than the smaller things (a poorly chosen word, an inattention, etc).
very true...
 
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greatkraw

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Thats not scriptural - the soldiers that crucified Christ on the cross didnt ask for forgiveness, but He gave it anyway! I am going to follow God's example, not mans!

I have suffered some MAJOR hurt in my life, and I have found that the forgiveness I have come to feel for these people has not come all at once - it is a process. The enemy will try to speak into your head with words of anger, bitterness and angst but you have to speak against that over and over. Its a VERY hard thing, but it releases you from the situation and allows you to grow in faith and in relationship with Jesus. If you dont make the effort to forgive, REGARDLESS of whether they ask for it or not, your path will be blocked and you will find it very difficult to get God's amazing healing and grace. When we forgive freely, we shine to others in the name of Jesus nad people see that. It's a skill that is learnt over a long period of time, so don't be discouraged! God is faithful to teach you how to forgive, and he will continue to strengthen your resolve to forgive those who have hurt you and persecuted you if you ask Him. I dont care whether the world sees me as soft, or weak. It's how JESUS sees me that counts. God knows the strength that is found in forgiveness that exercises your soul - its not a strength the world acknowledges, but the heavens see the hard work and you will be rewarded for it one day! Do not give up, forgive DAILY and continue to forgive, speak scriptures out loud when you feel anger and bitterness, and do not let the enemy take root in your spirit. God Bless you :D
forgiven, Jesus said forgive 70*7 when they ask for forgiveness 70*7

my mother is a christian a widow a pensioner, my evil brother keeps borrowing money from her and not paying it back
she keeps forgiving him just as you recommend
 
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forgiven, Jesus said forgive 70*7 when they ask for forgiveness 70*7

my mother is a christian a widow a pensioner, my evil brother keeps borrowing money from her and not paying it back
she keeps forgiving him just as you recommend
the Word says we must be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove, I think it is right for her to forgive him but the next time he asks for money she should be wise and with love simply say no.
 

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the Word says we must be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove, I think it is right for her to forgive him but the next time he asks for money she should be wise and with love simply say no.
May I ask you how you would interpret Luke 6:30 then?

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May I ask you how you would interpret Luke 6:30 then?

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I say the same as my post above, we as Christians are not to be gullible or taken for a ride at someones every whim. We are to use wisdom and discernment. People who may try to rob/take advantage of us we are to be wise to their intentions.
 
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NoahsMom

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First time, shame on them....second time, shame on ME.
 
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