Fully God and Fully Man, how does that work?

[TheLearner]

7. Nestorians, another group of early Christians, believed that the human and divine persons of Jesus remained separate; thus for them “Jesus Christ” and “the Son of God” are not quite one and the same. Nestorian churches remained active in Persia and China as late as the eighth century.

1. Arians have been called the “archetypal” Christian heretics; accusations of Arianism have been made in almost every century since the fourth. Taking its name from an Egyptian priest, Arius, this heresy holds that Jesus, while the son of God, is neither eternal nor as fully divine as God the father.
https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham/top-10-heresies-in-the-history-of-christianity/

Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us. In a nutshell...

Monophysitism: Monophysite comes from the Greek words for "one body." This heresy says that Jesus Christ was a joining of the eternal Logos with the human person Jesus, which occured at incarnation. He therefore is two separate natures joined in one body. Monophysitism is very much alive in several present-day Egyptian and Middle Eastern sects of Christianity.

Adoptionism: Adoptionism says that Jesus was a human being who was "adopted" by God at his conception, at which point he developed a divine nature. Later versions sometimes suggest that he was adopted later, such as when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Nestorianism: Supposedly, Nestorius, Patriarch of Antioch (fl. 410), believed that Jesus Christ had two natures -- man and God -- which remained separate throughout his period on earth. This is not really what Nestor said (although he did deny virgin birth) but the name stuck. You can still find a few Nestorian churches in Iran.

Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehova's Witnesses.
https://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

How did the two natures relate? Where they blended together in one nature? or what? I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

 

[CS1]

7. Nestorians, another group of early Christians, believed that the human and divine persons of Jesus remained separate; thus for them “Jesus Christ” and “the Son of God” are not quite one and the same. Nestorian churches remained active in Persia and China as late as the eighth century.

1. Arians have been called the “archetypal” Christian heretics; accusations of Arianism have been made in almost every century since the fourth. Taking its name from an Egyptian priest, Arius, this heresy holds that Jesus, while the son of God, is neither eternal nor as fully divine as God the father.
https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham/top-10-heresies-in-the-history-of-christianity/

Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us. In a nutshell...

Monophysitism: Monophysite comes from the Greek words for "one body." This heresy says that Jesus Christ was a joining of the eternal Logos with the human person Jesus, which occured at incarnation. He therefore is two separate natures joined in one body. Monophysitism is very much alive in several present-day Egyptian and Middle Eastern sects of Christianity.

Adoptionism: Adoptionism says that Jesus was a human being who was "adopted" by God at his conception, at which point he developed a divine nature. Later versions sometimes suggest that he was adopted later, such as when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Nestorianism: Supposedly, Nestorius, Patriarch of Antioch (fl. 410), believed that Jesus Christ had two natures -- man and God -- which remained separate throughout his period on earth. This is not really what Nestor said (although he did deny virgin birth) but the name stuck. You can still find a few Nestorian churches in Iran.

Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehova's Witnesses.
https://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

How did the two natures relate? Where they blended together in one nature? or what? I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

this is the question that needs to be answered

The reason why we struggle with Jesus as fully God and fully man is that we have something Jesus did not have. The sinful nature.

Jesus overcame temptation however the same way we are too. Submit to God resist the devil with the Word of God and he will flee from you. The Word of God shows us Jesus the Son of God which is God. Jesus is not a son of God He is the Only Begotten of the Father which = God.

 

[soberxp]

If Jesus is God, God is great. If Jesus is not God, he is still great.
Jesus is the image of God.
We could understand the realm of God though Jesus.
God can face persecution，if God is a man.
God can forgive others,if God is a man.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

7. Nestorians, another group of early Christians, believed that the human and divine persons of Jesus remained separate; thus for them “Jesus Christ” and “the Son of God” are not quite one and the same. Nestorian churches remained active in Persia and China as late as the eighth century.

1. Arians have been called the “archetypal” Christian heretics; accusations of Arianism have been made in almost every century since the fourth. Taking its name from an Egyptian priest, Arius, this heresy holds that Jesus, while the son of God, is neither eternal nor as fully divine as God the father.
https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham/top-10-heresies-in-the-history-of-christianity/

Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not genuinely have suffered or died.

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us. In a nutshell...

Monophysitism: Monophysite comes from the Greek words for "one body." This heresy says that Jesus Christ was a joining of the eternal Logos with the human person Jesus, which occured at incarnation. He therefore is two separate natures joined in one body. Monophysitism is very much alive in several present-day Egyptian and Middle Eastern sects of Christianity.

Adoptionism: Adoptionism says that Jesus was a human being who was "adopted" by God at his conception, at which point he developed a divine nature. Later versions sometimes suggest that he was adopted later, such as when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Nestorianism: Supposedly, Nestorius, Patriarch of Antioch (fl. 410), believed that Jesus Christ had two natures -- man and God -- which remained separate throughout his period on earth. This is not really what Nestor said (although he did deny virgin birth) but the name stuck. You can still find a few Nestorian churches in Iran.

Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehova's Witnesses.
https://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

How did the two natures relate? Where they blended together in one nature? or what? I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

This may not be a intellectual answer but we answer the how by putting it in the same area as miracles. How was water turned to wine? A dead man brought to life? A virgin birth? A universe spoke into existence? God will always be higher than our understanding and we can know a lot about His nature and who God is but for our limited capacity in the flesh leaves so much to the unknown. We simply know because the scriptures speak for Jesus being fully God and fully man. The answer to how is because God allowed it to be. Anything is possible within the characteristics of God.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

What makes sense (to me) is the consideration of Exodus 33:20:

Exodus 33:20 CSB - "But he added, "You cannot see my face, for humans cannot see me and live."

Is this True or not? If it is True, then we have the clear need for God to strip Himself of His overwhelming, Powerful, Almighty Presense . . . so that we can walk and talk with Him . . . and [not] die.

John 14:9 NLT - "Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"

John 1:14 NIV - "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

God lowered Himself to our human level, for if He had not done such, we could have never seen Him, walked with Him, or spoke with Him. But as the text says, the Word, who is God, became flesh.

John 1:1 NIV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

And what about yourself? When someone asks how your are doing, do you respond according to how your body feels, or how you feel "inside" . . . which is according to your spirit? Is it not the same essential concept?

 

[montana123]

Jesus is fully God and fully man.

How can Jesus be God when He is an omnipresent Spirit that is bigger than a human body.

When the Bible says Jesus is God manifest in flesh it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell, and He has the Spirit without measure.

And the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for He cannot be separated.

Jesus does not have His own Spirit that moves around with Him for there cannot be a double portion of the Spirit in one place and a place where the Spirit is not at but Jesus moves through the Spirit and wherever He is at the Spirit is there.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus

If this were True, then those who saw Him would have died.

 

[montana123]

If this were True, then those who saw Him would have died.

They would be looking at the man Christ Jesus an image of God so they would not die.

These full attributes are love, peace, joy, patience, goodness, and power to heal and do miracles.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

They would be looking at the man Christ Jesus an image of God so they would not die.

These full attributes are love, peace, joy, patience, goodness, and power to heal and do miracles.

I hear you . . . so not ALL attributes. Right?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Jesus said:

Mark 6:4-5 NIV - "Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home." 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them."

 

[JaumeJ]

What makes sense (to me) is the consideration of Exodus 33:20:

Exodus 33:20 CSB - "But he added, "You cannot see my face, for humans cannot see me and live."

Is this True or not? If it is True, then we have the clear need for God to strip Himself of His overwhelming, Powerful, Almighty Presense . . . so that we can walk and talk with Him . . . and [not] die.

John 14:9 NLT - "Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"

John 1:14 NIV - "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

God lowered Himself to our human level, for if He had not done such, we could have never seen Him, walked with Him, or spoke with Him. But as the text says, the Word, who is God, became flesh.

John 1:1 NIV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

And what about yourself? When someone asks how your are doing, do you respond according to how your body feels, or how you feel "inside" . . . which is according to your spirit? Is it not the same essential concept?

Jesus Yeshua was in the flesh for all who come to Him or came to Him at tat time. Thse who saw Him, saw the Father for they are one, however He was not glorified until He ascended to His throne where His full glorification was finished.

He was being glorified during the forty days between His rising and His ascencion. We too will one day be just as He,. We will not be Ne but just as He and dthis is just way beyond our full understanding, and it is glorious.l

 

[montana123]

I hear you . . . so not ALL attributes. Right?

Right, the man Christ Jesus does not have the power of God, the mind of God in intelligence, and is not omnipresent, but He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily His attributes that have to do with His nature of love, peace, and qualities like that.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here below is what I believe about our Lord, Jesus Yeshua.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Faith gives me the belief, however full understanding is yet to come.

If any here wish to abridge the Word, please state so when posting.

 

[Evmur]

7. Nestorians, another group of early Christians, believed that the human and divine persons of Jesus remained separate; thus for them “Jesus Christ” and “the Son of God” are not quite one and the same. Nestorian churches remained active in Persia and China as late as the eighth century.

1. Arians have been called the “archetypal” Christian heretics; accusations of Arianism have been made in almost every century since the fourth. Taking its name from an Egyptian priest, Arius, this heresy holds that Jesus, while the son of God, is neither eternal nor as fully divine as God the father.
https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham/top-10-heresies-in-the-history-of-christianity/

Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us. In a nutshell...

Monophysitism: Monophysite comes from the Greek words for "one body." This heresy says that Jesus Christ was a joining of the eternal Logos with the human person Jesus, which occured at incarnation. He therefore is two separate natures joined in one body. Monophysitism is very much alive in several present-day Egyptian and Middle Eastern sects of Christianity.

Adoptionism: Adoptionism says that Jesus was a human being who was "adopted" by God at his conception, at which point he developed a divine nature. Later versions sometimes suggest that he was adopted later, such as when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Nestorianism: Supposedly, Nestorius, Patriarch of Antioch (fl. 410), believed that Jesus Christ had two natures -- man and God -- which remained separate throughout his period on earth. This is not really what Nestor said (although he did deny virgin birth) but the name stuck. You can still find a few Nestorian churches in Iran.

Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehova's Witnesses.
https://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

How did the two natures relate? Where they blended together in one nature? or what? I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

men do not like mysteries, I rest ... I don't understand it but I accept, Jesus Christ is wholly God and wholly man.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

Well then just stick with Scripture. GOD BECAME MAN. That is "the mystery of godliness".

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Tim 3:16)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (Phil 2:6,7)

Who being the brightness of his [God's] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high (Heb 1:3)

But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands (Heb 1:8-10)

 

[jb]

this is the question that needs to be answered

The reason why we struggle with Jesus as fully God and fully man is that we have something Jesus did not have. The sinful nature.

In the light of Heb 2v17,18, 4v15: "Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted...For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin."
(with Luke 2v40 (KJV), 2v52, Luke 4v23-38 (Mary's lineage and is where Our Lord took His flesh from), Rom 8v3, John 1v14)

If Our Lord Jesus came into the world as every other person does, how do you account for "The sinful nature" difference (He, Himself was indeed "without sin") for indeed He has the same flesh "sarx" as we do (as He took His from Mary, Isaiah 9v6,7, Luke 1v32)?

Please do explain.

 

[Runningman]

7. Nestorians, another group of early Christians, believed that the human and divine persons of Jesus remained separate; thus for them “Jesus Christ” and “the Son of God” are not quite one and the same. Nestorian churches remained active in Persia and China as late as the eighth century.

1. Arians have been called the “archetypal” Christian heretics; accusations of Arianism have been made in almost every century since the fourth. Taking its name from an Egyptian priest, Arius, this heresy holds that Jesus, while the son of God, is neither eternal nor as fully divine as God the father.
https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham/top-10-heresies-in-the-history-of-christianity/

Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us. In a nutshell...

Monophysitism: Monophysite comes from the Greek words for "one body." This heresy says that Jesus Christ was a joining of the eternal Logos with the human person Jesus, which occured at incarnation. He therefore is two separate natures joined in one body. Monophysitism is very much alive in several present-day Egyptian and Middle Eastern sects of Christianity.

Adoptionism: Adoptionism says that Jesus was a human being who was "adopted" by God at his conception, at which point he developed a divine nature. Later versions sometimes suggest that he was adopted later, such as when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Nestorianism: Supposedly, Nestorius, Patriarch of Antioch (fl. 410), believed that Jesus Christ had two natures -- man and God -- which remained separate throughout his period on earth. This is not really what Nestor said (although he did deny virgin birth) but the name stuck. You can still find a few Nestorian churches in Iran.

Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehova's Witnesses.
https://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

How did the two natures relate? Where they blended together in one nature? or what? I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

Since Jesus is God, was His body God or was God's Spirit within Him that made Him God?

Jesus didn't have the Holy Spirit descend upon Him and remain until His baptism.

 

[lamad]

7. Nestorians, another group of early Christians, believed that the human and divine persons of Jesus remained separate; thus for them “Jesus Christ” and “the Son of God” are not quite one and the same. Nestorian churches remained active in Persia and China as late as the eighth century.

1. Arians have been called the “archetypal” Christian heretics; accusations of Arianism have been made in almost every century since the fourth. Taking its name from an Egyptian priest, Arius, this heresy holds that Jesus, while the son of God, is neither eternal nor as fully divine as God the father.
https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham/top-10-heresies-in-the-history-of-christianity/

Sabellianism: Sabellianism is named for its founder Sabellius (fl. 2nd century). It is sometimes referred to as modalistic monarchianism. The father, son, and holy ghost are three modes, roles, or faces of a single person, God. This, of course, implies that Jesus Christ was purely divine, without humanness, and therefore could not truly have suffered or died.

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us. In a nutshell...

Monophysitism: Monophysite comes from the Greek words for "one body." This heresy says that Jesus Christ was a joining of the eternal Logos with the human person Jesus, which occured at incarnation. He therefore is two separate natures joined in one body. Monophysitism is very much alive in several present-day Egyptian and Middle Eastern sects of Christianity.

Adoptionism: Adoptionism says that Jesus was a human being who was "adopted" by God at his conception, at which point he developed a divine nature. Later versions sometimes suggest that he was adopted later, such as when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

Nestorianism: Supposedly, Nestorius, Patriarch of Antioch (fl. 410), believed that Jesus Christ had two natures -- man and God -- which remained separate throughout his period on earth. This is not really what Nestor said (although he did deny virgin birth) but the name stuck. You can still find a few Nestorian churches in Iran.

Socianism: A version of Arianism called Socianism (from the Latin socius, meaning "companion), simply says that Jesus was an extraordinary man. This heresy still lives on in two very different forms, the Unitarians and the Jehova's Witnesses.
https://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heresies.html

How did the two natures relate? Where they blended together in one nature? or what? I am only interested in what the Orthodox Doctrine is.

What is the meaning of "nature?" Is it the "flesh" or is it the "spirit" or is it something else?
I believe the nature of a man comes from the spirit, the inward man. In an unregenerate man, his nature or his spirit is a sin generator. In someone born again, that "fallen" nature has changed: his or her spirit has the Holy Spirit inside all only wants to worship and serve God.

A famous traveling preacher came to a church in Spokane, Washington years ago, and I went with my pastor. After the service, my pastor, the pastor of that church, and the traveling preacher were talking. The pastor asked the traveling preacher, "the human spirit inside of Jesus: was it merged with God or were they two separate natures?" The instant he asked that, the Holy Spirit spoke inside to my spirit and I heard these words: "There was no "human spirit;" I was the spirit inside that body" meaning, the second person of the Godhead was the spirit inside that body bringing life to that body.

Who was the real person - the spirit inside? It was The very being that in the beginning said, "Let there be light!" It was the second person of the Godhead. It was the Redeemer of Isaiah 44:6. However, the Redeemer at that time had another name: "Jesus." And He had a man's body: a beating heart, blood to keep the body alive - a body like ours: it was GOD in human flesh. But The second person of the Godhead laid aside His Godly attributes: omnipotence, omnipresence, etc, to become as a human spirit.

The term "the hypostatic union" as two "natures" is a myth. It is not complicated: it was GOD - the very part of God that was the WORD that spoke in the beginning saying "LIGHT, BE" and light came into existence - the life inside the baby Jesus. He, that Spirit Being inside Jesus could honestly say, "before Abraham was, I AM. He was the very same Being that spoke to Moses from the Bush and said, "I AM THAT I AM."

It is written that we as humans were created in His image and after His likeness. We as humans are a spirit being possessing a soul and living in a body. We are a three part being. It just makes good sense then that GOD is like us since we are like Him. It is easy to see that the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT part of God, and that Jesus is the BODY part of God. It is more difficult to see the Father on the throne as the soul part of God, but then, maybe not. He, the Father, is the WILL of the Godhead. Jesus and the Holy Spirit both allow the Father to make the decisions.

It would be a strange being entirely to be a human with TWO spirits inside. It would not be a "normal" human being: it would be a human being possessed by another being. I don't think Jesus was such a strange being. I think GOD was the spirit and life inside Jesus' body. But He laid aside His Godly attributes (stripped Himself) to become as a human spirit so as a baby and a child, the devil could not find Him. He was disguised as another human.

 

[Webers.Home]

.
According to John 1:1-3; the Word is God.

Well; God is an eternal being, i.e. He always was, He always is, and He
always shall be. In other words: there was never a moment of time in the
distant past when the Word didn't exist, nor is there ever a moment of time
in the present when the Word doesn't exist, nor will there ever be a moment
of time in the distant future when the Word won't exist, viz: there has never
been, nor will there ever be, a pause in the Word's existence.

So; when the Word came into the world as a human being per John 1:14,
his existence as the Word didn't stop. He continued to exist as the Word
because God cannot stop His existence as God.

In John 1:1-3, the Word is a spirit being who exists, in all points, as God.

In John 1:14, the Word is a physical being who exists, in all points, as Man.

The Jehovah's Witnesses insist it is impossible for someone to exist as a
spirit being and a physical being simultaneously. Now, I don't know that it's
possible for someone to exist as two physical beings simultaneously, or as
two spirit beings simultaneously, but I entertain not the slightest hint of
sensible doubt that Jesus Christ exists as a spirit being and a human being
simultaneously because not only do John 1:1-3 and John 1:14 verify it; but
so does 1Cor 15:45.
_

 

[CS1]

In the light of Heb 2v17,18, 4v15: "Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted...For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin."
(with Luke 2v40 (KJV), 2v52, Luke 4v23-38 (Mary's lineage and is where Our Lord took His flesh from), Rom 8v3, John 1v14)

If Our Lord Jesus came into the world as every other person does, how do you account for "The sinful nature" difference (He, Himself was indeed "without sin") for indeed He has the same flesh "sarx" as we do (as He took His from Mary, Isaiah 9v6,7, Luke 1v32)?

Please do explain.

Jesus did not come into the world ad every other person did which is done by the will of man through a sexual relation. MARY was not touched by a man the Holy Spirit did a miracle in the womb of a virgin. Jesus is without sin not only because he did not act of sin but the sinful nature in man comes from man passed down through the child. Jesus' nature was not a sinful one from a man. The women don't produce the life that comes from the Father. Now I know many feminist heads just blew up, but that is the truth.