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MarkWilliams

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the context of hate is separation Nothing unholy can stand before the living God. Yes God hates sin however, Jesus became the very symbol of punishment for sin AND freedom from sin. Jesus took the sin unto Himself and gives forgiveness of sin . The Gospel message is not “ God hates sin”. The Gospel message is Good news that Jesus paid for our sin and if we have faith in HIM we do not suffer the judgement of sin.
The Gospel message is simple but there's a lot to it, we can't simplify it and limit it to Gods love alone. The Gospel is Gods complete works of saving His elect. It's not for everyone, it's only for those who were chosen before He laid down the foundations of the world. The Gospel shows us how much God hates sin, just look at how much Jesus suffered and we can see God wrath against sin.
Every person is born an abomination in Gods sight and it's only after we are washed in the Blood of Christ that we become acceptable in Gods sight.
There's no way the Church can accommodate or tolerate any sin in the Church, as Christians we are at war with our sin so we are soldiers in a battle and the Church is an army.
I don't think it's possible to accept practicing homosexuals in the Church, without throwing the Gospel out the window.
 

BenFTW

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Gays probably get singled out because our society is in full "You have to accept it as normal" mode. Everywhere you look, ALL TV shows, nearly all media is pushing the "gay is normal" agenda.

This is offensive to many people, so they tend to over react to that particular fault/sin.
I've noticed so many forms of media now have their token LGBTQ character, ranging from movies and series, to games. Its everywhere. I understand these people exist in society and the world, and they pretty much have established it as normal (even some Christians are basically desensitized to it), that we've just come to accept their presence in all aspects of entertainment. Now its transgenders. Next? You guess, "love is love." The slippery slope is real, and who knows where it ends?

The world wants to be all inclusive, to the exclusion of the righteous. In a world that rejects God, morality is subjective. Whatever floats your boat is the mantra. This could be considered hate speech by today's standards. Imagine that, tolerance for all but the intolerant, who stand upon absolute standards of righteousness.
 

Embankment

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I've noticed so many forms of media now have their token LGBTQ character, ranging from movies and series, to games. Its everywhere. I understand these people exist in society and the world, and they pretty much have established it as normal (even some Christians are basically desensitized to it), that we've just come to accept their presence in all aspects of entertainment. Now its transgenders. Next? You guess, "love is love." The slippery slope is real, and who knows where it ends?

The world wants to be all inclusive, to the exclusion of the righteous. In a world that rejects God, morality is subjective. Whatever floats your boat is the mantra. This could be considered hate speech by today's standards. Imagine that, tolerance for all but the intolerant, who stand upon absolute standards of righteousness.
I fully realize gay people are not the norm in most Christian circles. In other communities especially large cities there are many gay people. I am not sure media is pushing the gay agenda as much as reflecting reality.
Gays are out there in large numbers and have been from the days of the Bible.
 

MarkWilliams

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I fully realize gay people are not the norm in most Christian circles. In other communities especially large cities there are many gay people. I am not sure media is pushing the gay agenda as much as reflecting reality.
Gays are out there in large numbers and have been from the days of the Bible.
Sure the Sodomites have always been around, but they are coming out of their closets in our days and seeking to dominate and conquer the world.
They are militantly opposed to free speech and they hate Jesus Christ and Christians. They don't want anyone to remind them of what awaits them at the time of their death. They want to live out their filthy fantasies and suppress their conscience, Christians are the exact opposite to them so they hate the opposition.
 

BenFTW

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I fully realize gay people are not the norm in most Christian circles. In other communities especially large cities there are many gay people. I am not sure media is pushing the gay agenda as much as reflecting reality.
Gays are out there in large numbers and have been from the days of the Bible.
They just as much need Jesus now, as they did then. :) I forgot where it was but there is an actual document showing "the gay agenda" and how it was planned to normalize it in society through media (movies, games, celebrities, etc) and with our children.

Here it is, the Homosexual Manifesto, 1972 Gay Right Platform, and more...

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/Redeeming_rainbow/chapters/Chapter-13.pdf

Exert: The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preference the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games: she likes strawberry and I like vanilla; he follows baseball and I follow football. No big deal. At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full “appreciation” or “understanding” of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won. And to get to shoulder-shrug stage, gays as a class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome and contrary. A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America. And any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should do six things.
 

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Sure the Sodomites have always been around, but they are coming out of their closets in our days and seeking to dominate and conquer the world.
They are militantly opposed to free speech and they hate Jesus Christ and Christians. They don't want anyone to remind them of what awaits them at the time of their death. They want to live out their filthy fantasies and suppress their conscience, Christians are the exact opposite to them so they hate the opposition.
M...,
You captured that...correctly.
California is trying to pass a law which outlaws any hate speech. That is interpreted to include references in The Bible....i.e.....homosexuality. The proponents argue that if passed it will require the removal of all bibles from the state.
Unbelievable.
 

MarkWilliams

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M...,
You captured that...correctly.
California is trying to pass a law which outlaws any hate speech. That is interpreted to include references in The Bible....i.e.....homosexuality. The proponents argue that if passed it will require the removal of all bibles from the state.
Unbelievable.
The "Gay agenda" is Satanic to the core. They're ramming it down everyones throat, we are losing our freedoms very quickly.
They say there's something wrong with you if you don't think that gay love is normal and beautiful. This will lead society down to moral bankruptcy, before we know it they will be pushing pedophilia and bestiality upon society.
Jesus said that when He returns the world will be as it was in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah
 

Embankment

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They just as much need Jesus now, as they did then. :) I forgot where it was but there is an actual document showing "the gay agenda" and how it was planned to normalize it in society through media (movies, games, celebrities, etc) and with our children.

Here it is, the Homosexual Manifesto, 1972 Gay Right Platform, and more...

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/Redeeming_rainbow/chapters/Chapter-13.pdf

Exert: The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preference the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games: she likes strawberry and I like vanilla; he follows baseball and I follow football. No big deal. At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full “appreciation” or “understanding” of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won. And to get to shoulder-shrug stage, gays as a class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome and contrary. A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America. And any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should do six things.
All you can do is share the Gospel.
 
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bashing is usually associated with 'cruelty'! exactly what a 'Christian is NOT supposed to be...
but,
be aware of 'Sodom and,,,,and what it is, a 'Christian' should be aware of';...

the scriptures are very plain on this, both OT and NT,..
 

CS1

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The Gospel message is simple but there's a lot to it, we can't simplify it and limit it to Gods love alone. The Gospel is Gods complete works of saving His elect. It's not for everyone, it's only for those who were chosen before He laid down the foundations of the world. The Gospel shows us how much God hates sin, just look at how much Jesus suffered and we can see God wrath against sin.
Every person is born an abomination in Gods sight and it's only after we are washed in the Blood of Christ that we become acceptable in Gods sight.
There's no way the Church can accommodate or tolerate any sin in the Church, as Christians we are at war with our sin so we are soldiers in a battle and the Church is an army.
I don't think it's possible to accept practicing homosexuals in the Church, without throwing the Gospel out the window.
never said that, to know HIS LOVE YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE COST. The cost was His only Son had to die for my sins to pay for what I did. can you show me where Jesus said My Father hates sin? and then can you showm where Jesus said your sins are forgiven GO and sin no more?
 

MarkWilliams

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never said that, to know HIS LOVE YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE COST. The cost was His only Son had to die for my sins to pay for what I did. can you show me where Jesus said My Father hates sin? and then can you showm where Jesus said your sins are forgiven GO and sin no more?
He said in the book of Revelation "Which I also hate" He was referring to the deeds of the Nicoleadins. I'm pretty sure He was speaking about their sinful lives.
He said to the woman who was supposedly caught in adultery, "your sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more".
I'm not quite sure how these relate to the sin of Sodomy.
 

CS1

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He said in the book of Revelation "Which I also hate" He was referring to the deeds of the Nicoleadins. I'm pretty sure He was speaking about their sinful lives.
He said to the woman who was supposedly caught in adultery, "your sins are forgiven you, go and sin no more".
I'm not quite sure how these relate to the sin of Sodomy.
OH he was speaking to the CHURCH was HE not ? you have to understand the sin of person and the SIN of nation it was not just the sin of sodomy it was the whole city was over taken with wickedness . context .
 

Angela53510

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OK! Yes. I tried for 10 min to find chapter and verse, I don't have the bible comitted to memory, yet. In the verse I was recalling, homosexuals, drunkards, liars, adulteres and idolitors are mentioned with equal distain.
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,” 1 Cor. 6:9

“and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,” 1 Tim 1:10

Go to google, or Biblegateway.com and put in a word or words you want to look up. It takes less than a minute to do!

Plus, for those who do not know, both 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy are in the NT. And homosexuality was very much approved of, and encouraged in the Greek culture. So Paul took a strong stand on this issue, which we all need to do. I’m not saying gay bashing, but being strong about the sin, among others!
 

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Thank you, I wrote it down and if I could have clicked two icons informative would have been selected as well. and amen..calibob
 

Jewel5712

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There is something I don't understand: Many or most Christians pick on or outright hate gay people. I realize that homosexuality is a sin however the verses they usually recite also include adultery, fornication, idolatry, drunkenness, and liars. So why single out gays?

Also: Predestination, many anti-gays believe in predestination so if people are predestined to be gay why pick on them more than them more than the others? Does the Lords prayer not say "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us..."

Who among us was born without original sin? thththat's all folks
I dont HATE gay people..they are just practicing sexual perversion lile a lot of people do..God doesnt judge sin but always forgives with a repentant heart..my mom always said.."LOVE THE SINNER..HATE THE SIN"...wise woman.
 
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There is something I don't understand: Many or most Christians pick on or outright hate gay people. I realize that homosexuality is a sin however the verses they usually recite also include adultery, fornication, idolatry, drunkenness, and liars. So why single out gays?

Also: Predestination, many anti-gays believe in predestination so if people are predestined to be gay why pick on them more than them more than the others? Does the Lords prayer not say "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us..."

Who among us was born without original sin? thththat's all folks
It is probably because being gay is more gross in their eyes than fornication between the opposite sexes, and we know that stealing a piece of bubble gum is not as worse as stealing a car, and flicking a person in their head with your finger is not as worse as taking a baseball bat to their head.

Some sins are worse than other sins, and the worse the degree of the sin the more the saints would hate it, and homosexuality is a terrible sin, and gross, in the eyes of many saints, where fornication between a man and a woman not married is not actually gross except it is a sin.

But all unrighteousness is sin, and if you offend in the least of the law, you offend in all, which means it does not matter the sin you broke the law.

I do not think anybody is born with original sin, for everybody is accountable for their own sin, and that was Adam and Eve's sin, not our sin.

And we are born innocent with no sin on our record, a clean slate, which is why the Bible says the angels always behold the face of the Father of the little ones, which means they are protected spiritually.

Before the age of accountability there is no sin on our record.

It is choice that is the reason we are sinners in need of salvation, because when Adam and Eve ate off the tree then they had a choice between good and evil, so all their offspring are born with a choice, so we are born not knowing God, so we will do wrong before we come to God and repent, so we are sinners that have fallen short of the grace of God.

We are not blamed for Adam and Eve's sin, and it does not fall on us, neither do we inherit what they did wrong as far as their sin, but we inherit their choice between good and evil, so we are born not knowing God because of that, so we will do wrong before we come to God and repent.

We are innocent when we are born, with no sin on our record, but we will all do wrong and accountable for it before we come to God and repent.
 

JohnRH

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I realize that homosexuality is a sin however the verses they usually recite also include adultery, fornication, idolatry, drunkenness, and liars. So why single out gays?
It seems to me that they single themselves out.

I've not heard of Adulterer Pride Month or Fornicator Pride, Idolater Pride, Drunkard Pride, of Liar Pride. Do liars insist that they were born with a lying orientation and should have legal rights to lie based on that?
 

Jewel5712

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It seems to me that they single themselves out.

I've not heard of Adulterer Pride Month or Fornicator Pride, Idolater Pride, Drunkard Pride, of Liar Pride. Do liars insist that they were born with a lying orientation and should have legal rights to lie based on that?
BOOOOOO..again..making it all about themselves and nothing about God...:(