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OK all just wanted to get some thoughts on this current topic in the world at this time. As we all know cloning has been around for some time now and as science continues to make discoveries it seems they are finding newer and faster ways to piss god off.
As far as genetic selection goes what do you think? Is it justifiable for people to determine what sex child you have? Even further science is able to get almost 100% gaurantee that if you want a child with specific features, ie hair color, eye color, skin tone, etc.... that they can do it for you.

I saw one argument that the scenario for this would be in the case of if the parents had some kind of genealogy that was tainted and could change it by altering their childs genes.

playing god is not good. I think the lord is the only one allowed to make those decisions and when people think they can do it as good as him that they are in for a hurting for sure.
 
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How do you know it makes God mad? Is that actually true or is it just your assumption?

Humans have been "playing God" with the human body for centuaries, and Christians have been taking advantage of these things too.
 
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how do you know it doesn't..seems to me that in the beginning god created man, not man created man.
 
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Perhaps someday there will be a time when most children will be born perfected by men in white suits. All the men will look like Ken, all the women Barbie. What then will become of those not born to the white suits? Will they, we, be thought of as second-class citizens? I wish that were just a dumb science-fiction movie, but it's a possibility that humanity will undoubtedly face in the decades to come.
 
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Two people making a baby is human creating human.
What's the difference between the your child being determined by scientists, and your child being determined by the number of choices you have made in your life eg your partner, dietary habits, smoking, drinking, stress etc. including your own genetics?
 
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What's the difference between the your child being determined by scientists, and your child being determined by the number of choices you have made in your life eg your partner, dietary habits, smoking, drinking, stress etc. including your own genetics?
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Either way, whether indirectly or directly, YOU are choosing how your child comes out. God doesn't miraculously give you a white red-haired baby if you and your partner are dark-skinned Africans. So can we truly claim that "God determines..."... if science can explain how it happens and replicate it?
 
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Your genetics reflect choices you've made in your life?
 
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if a person really just wants a child to love..all those menial things dont matter one bit
 
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Mankind was given authority and responsibility to have dominion. Man has by hybridizing plants and animals for millenia. While I might initially frown on many things that folks want to do, they are not all immoral or unethical.

The taking of human life is one thing. But much of what science and medical technology does has helped people and many of us have utilized it.

How many women dye their hair, paint their lips, redden their cheeks, lift their breast, tuck their tummies, pluck their eyebrows, shave their legs and pits?

The one of greatest concern to me is the gender issue. They do not know if this is going to increase the likelihood of a person growing up feeling like they are in the wrong body. Some claim this now and seek sex change operations.
 
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Cloning is SICK
 
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How many women dye their hair, paint their lips, redden their cheeks, lift their breast, tuck their tummies, pluck their eyebrows, shave their legs and pits?

How many men dye their hair, get tattoos, get nose jobs, go tanning, etc.... hahhahahaha ( just thought it funny you only pointed out us women..... no offense please?? ) God Bless!!
 
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genetic selection is like taking the descision out of Gods hands its totally cruel
 
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I think...it's wrong to 'take advantage' of this particular type of technology. Because society has placed such importance on being 'beautiful', thin, perfect...

What is so wrong with having a child that looks like you or your spouse? When people start messing with the looks of an unborn child, that IS messing with God's plan, because God gives us the traits we are born with for a reason.

I personally would be upset if for instance, my parents had chosen the color of my eyes, or the type of hair I would have, before I was born. I would wonder what I was SUPPOSED to have looked/been like.

Anyway, I think it's wrong.
 
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cristen AMEN sister xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
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MahogonySnail said:
Two people making a baby is human creating human.
What's the difference between the your child being determined by scientists, and your child being determined by the number of choices you have made in your life eg your partner, dietary habits, smoking, drinking, stress etc. including your own genetics?
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Taking this point further...where do we draw the line between the morality of using genetics to alter our characteristics and say having surgery whilst you're alive? Having a hip replacement, cancer therapy, diabetes medication,etc, are equally taking the decisions out of god's hands.

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Cloning is SICK
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pinkcandy can you explain your basis for this point of view?
 
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pogrud said:
Taking this point further...where do we draw the line between the morality of using genetics to alter our characteristics and say having surgery whilst you're alive? Having a hip replacement, cancer therapy, diabetes medication,etc, are equally taking the decisions out of god's hands.



pinkcandy can you explain your basis for this point of view?
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altering another human bein to suit our fancy..just isnt right..when choices i make affect me and me alone thats different..*my opinion*
 
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Taking this point further...where do we draw the line between the morality of using genetics to alter our characteristics and say having surgery whilst you're alive? Having a hip replacement, cancer therapy, diabetes medication,etc, are equally taking the decisions out of god's hands.
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That's my point really. If a Christian is sick and need of surgery, eg hip replacement therapy, heart transplant or whatever, they will rush to the doctor or hospital no problem.
But if it concerns altering their genetics so that they won't have these problems in the first place, it is evil and wrong. I think prevention is better than cure, and if they can prevent these illnesses through science I see no difference really.

Equally, the choices we make in our life affect our children. Whether we smoke, drink, stress, what foods we eat, these all affect our DNA and this affects our children's DNA. In a way we are like little scientists creating our own cloned specimens through the choices we make in a lifetime, plus all the choices which our parents and their relatives etc made too.
 
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Christians normally say that God gifts us with doctors and medicine and science... especially ones who don't believe in God's healing power for today :p,, so...

Following this logic- perhaps it is God who gifted us with doctors and science that can determine what a child looks like? If a child is born from this process and should have been a female but turned out to be a male thanks to science... are christians going to say that it is not God's will for that child to be a male, and that they should be a female?

This raises all sorts of questions.. perhaps it was God's will for science to have this technology and perhaps that child is made exactly how God wanted he/she to be made, but through the hands of scientists?
 
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Mahogony,

That's a lot to think about, but I can't help feeling that it is more likely God's 'passive will'. As in, He is allowing these kinds of advances in science/medicine/technology, rather than He particularly WANTS it all to happen. Granted, this is just my opinion on the subject, because who can claim to know how God operates?
 
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my concern is that mankind is replacing the need for god with science...right back in the garden of eden adam and eve made that decision that they were able to make their own decisions independant from god...god has allowed this decision of theirs(and ours)
to play out just to see where it takes us,humans are foolish...we will do anything and everything we can to prolong this life...we are so wrapped in our own ego that we forget we owe our very life to the one who created us...the only one who can cure us of o sickness...what we need is faith not science....science is only trying to undo the imperfection we brought on ourselves by our dissobedience to god....lets not put our faith in science..but in god ..only he has the wisdom to bring us back to perfection...as he so promises to do,god knows how hard it is for us to live in this world but he wants us to choose to be faithfull to him...and that may involve us not choosing certain medicines,operations or treatments...just remember science can only buy us alittle time...be faithful to god and we can live forever.




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