Gifts - Tongues and the Interpretation of Tongues

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Just ignore 1 Cor 13:8.

No such thing as a prayer language. Hebrews says we are to come into Gods presence and to come boldly.

Children do not come and speak to their Father in a special language.

Really what kind of Gentile seeks a sign?

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Roger

well, for you there isn't because you apparently decided its not for you

some people choose not to believe in Christ...some Christians choose not to receive...does not mean they are not saved...at least I hope not...but they cannot tell those who do receive there is no such thing

Tongues are also a gift which you would know if you bothered with the list...not just a sign...they are both FYI
 

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Hubby was saved through The Jesus People Movement of the late 60's/early 70's. (So was I but we lived in different parts of the country so didn't know each other yet.) There were two men in charge of the evangelism for that group. Both were hippies, and one of the guys was Bobby. Well, through the years, they diverted paths, so he hadn't heard from Bobby in close to three decades.

Then we joined the church we still consider our church. (Um, we can't go to church, so that's why I keep putting that in strange terms. lol) One weekend we ran into Bob. (Hmm, he stopped being Bobby and, apparently hubby never saw him in a suit before. lol) Bob was home on sabbatical. Usually he's a missionary in Kenya. He had a story to tell. (Well, he had many stories to tell, but this one fits the topic. lol)

His little church in the middle of no where had the usual congregation and the usual number of new people. (A few trickled in week after week.) Suddenly some guy starts shouting in a guttural way. To Bob's western ears, it sounded like "Glok, glok, glok" gibberish. He was getting uncomfortable. I mean, he's the pastor. Does he stop this newcomer or let it pass and continue on with the service?

Apparently, he made some kind of movement that one of his elders (who sat behind him on platform in the front of the church) recognized. The elder gently grabbed his shoulder and whispered to him. He said, "The man is speaking in an old language of the ____ tribe." (Bob knew which tribe. I've heard of it, but I forgot which one it was other than "big tribe in Africa.") "But it is the old language, that only a select few learn as it is past down, and that man would never be one of those learned men who understand it. There are some learned men here who do understand what he is saying. He truly is speaking for God. Let him be."

So, yeah, tongues is still the tongues of the Bible. Our problem is we're Americans. So if some dude is praying loud in Spanish, we just naturally assume he's Spanish and knows the language. Since it's consider rude or gouache to go around shouting, "Wow! God just had me speak in Spanish and I can't even speak in Spanish," how would we ever know?
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Well I was speaking from my own experience, and the case you just made seemed to be an actual language that was recognized, if it was then that is in line with what the bible says it is. I wasn't saying it couldn't happen, or even that it doesn't happen these days. I am just saying the charismatic type gibberish that I’ve seen dominate the modern definition, and that I can do right now, is not what Acts described in my understanding. I even had an example of it being interpreted in my church, which was the question of the OP. I’m not sure what you were telling me or correcting me on, but for the most part I agree other than me not feeling the incoherent (I don’t mean this as harsh as it sounds, just that you can’t understand what is being said) babbling that goes on, and that passes for tongues these days is the same thing described in Acts. It is also said that without someone present to interpret what’s being said it’s completely pointless (1Cor 14:27). Don’t get me wrong, if you feel it gets you closer to God and is from the Holy Spirit then more power to you, but I think that if that is the case it should be done in privet, not because “I don’t want to hear it”, but because it’s your own personal thing and serves no purpose for those unable to understand it. I also don’t think it’s “proof” of one’s salvation either, I’ve seen to make unbelievers do it to believe that.
 
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Well I was speaking from my own experience, and the case you just made seemed to be an actual language that was recognized, if it was then that is in line with what the bible says it is. I wasn't saying it couldn't happen, or even that it doesn't happen these days. I am just saying the charismatic type gibberish that I’ve seen dominate the modern definition, and that I can do right now, is not what Acts described in my understanding. I even had an example of it being interpreted in my church, which was the question of the OP. I’m not sure what you were telling me or correcting me on, but for the most part I agree other than me not feeling the incoherent (I don’t mean this as harsh as it sounds, just that you can’t understand what is being said) babbling that goes on, and that passes for tongues these days is the same thing described in Acts. It is also said that without someone present to interpret what’s being said it’s completely pointless (1Cor 14:27). Don’t get me wrong, if you feel it gets you closer to God and is from the Holy Spirit then more power to you, but I think that if that is the case it should be done in privet, not because “I don’t want to hear it”, but because it’s your own personal thing and serves no purpose for those unable to understand it. I also don’t think it’s “proof” of one’s salvation either, I’ve seen to make unbelievers do it to believe that.
I completely agree.
 

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well, for you there isn't because you apparently decided its not for you

some people choose not to believe in Christ...some Christians choose not to receive...does not mean they are not saved...at least I hope not...but they cannot tell those who do receive there is no such thing

Tongues are also a gift which you would know if you bothered with the list...not just a sign...they are both FYI
Still ignores 1 Cor 13:8. Tongues are a sign. God gave tongues as a sign to the nation of Israel.

Interesting that tongues ended and when the 144,000 are preaching in the tribulation they will sing a song that only they can sing. Of course you are not them and this is not then.

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Still ignores 1 Cor 13:8. Tongues are a sign. God gave tongues as a sign to the nation of Israel.

Interesting that tongues ended and when the 144,000 are preaching in the tribulation they will sing a song that only they can sing. Of course you are not them and this is not then.

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Roger
How does 1 cor 13:8 compare to 1 Cor 14 1-2?14 1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. (ESV) 1 Corinthians 14:1-2
 
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Still ignores 1 Cor 13:8. Tongues are a sign. God gave tongues as a sign to the nation of Israel.

Interesting that tongues ended and when the 144,000 are preaching in the tribulation they will sing a song that only they can sing. Of course you are not them and this is not then.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
1Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[SUP]a[/SUP] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[SUP]b[/SUP] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

egg is better on the plate then on your face...tongues is listed in the gifts from I Corinthians (kidding re the egg, but you know I do joke sometimes) but I'm not joking about tongues

I'm sorry you are missing out on the infilling of the Holy Spirit

You and I already had this discussion...for pages...when I first joined, so not much more to say really...but you know, tongues is listed as a gift...and yes, it is also a sign...so if it makes you happy, we are both right! :p

 
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How does 1 cor 13:8 compare to 1 Cor 14 1-2?14 1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. (ESV) 1 Corinthians 14:1-2

psssttt...he doesn't believe that...those verses are not for the 21st C according to him...but, he does at least acknowledge that it is notuptohim
 

notuptome

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I'm sorry you are missing out on the infilling of the Holy Spirit

You and I already had this discussion...for pages...when I first joined, so not much more to say really...but you know, tongues is listed as a gift...and yes, it is also a sign...so if it makes you happy, we are both right! :p

You make an idiotic assumption about my filling with the Holy Spirit. I will be generous and say that you simply misunderstand what it is to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

tongues have nothing to do with filling of the Holy Spirit since they ceased according to 1 Cor 13:8. I do not want to reargue the issue because you will not receive the scriptures because you have your feelings to replace the scriptures.

The Holy Spirit is the gift of God given the moment we receive Christ as our Savior.

The tongues in the bible are human languages not as some claim to be unknowable languages.

Israel saw unknown languages as a sign of judgment from God. They were taken captive and carried into lands where they did not speak the language. That's bible and that's history.

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I can speak in tongues and also interpret. I normally speak in tongues when I'm alone and I am interceding in prayer for someone. Sometimes God will put a person in my heart to pray for. Then I pray in tongues and God shows me exactly how to pray for an them. There have been many times where I later see those same people and they share with me that same struggle that God had revealed to me in prayer. I don't tell them though-- It's exciting to know that I prayed the right prayer!

Every now and then there are people in church who speak in tongues and have no interpretation. There are a couple of women in my church who interpret for them. I don't publicly speak in tongues nor do I interpret. However, right before someone is going to interpret a word from God publicly, I quietly speak in tongues and wait for God to reveal the word to me as confirmation. Once again I don't go announcing it to everyone, it's something that's between me and God. I don't feel led to tell my pastor that I can interpret tongues.

However, only once did God ever want me to give someone a word from him. In my previous church I was at a women's prayer meeting-- we were praying and some of the ladies were speaking in tongues. God gave me a word for some woman and He wanted me to speak it, so I did. This woman started balling because it was an answer to her prayer. It was a blessing because I had the privilege of seeing God actually manifest that word in this woman's life.

I believe this gift is meant to edify the body of Christ. I do feel that speaking in tongues out loud with no one to interpret is pointless. Praying in tongues between you and God is a beautiful thing. Sometimes people are given this gift and can't interpret because the person hasn't matured in the gift. I was given the gift of tongues when I was about 12 yrs old. I was in church when it happened and no one made me do it nor did I even ask God for it. I didn't even no it was a gift At the time I couldn't even interpret what I was saying. I remember the first time I spoke in tongues and my friend was standing next to me. She was shocked and told me she had no idea what I was saying. She even tried to copy me, but it didn't quiet sound the same.:) I never told my parents about that experience. Then when I got in my twenties I could actually hear the voice of God give me a word in my spirit. I didn't know it was him till I started getting confirmations through the word, songs, and sermons. I was amazed that I was hearing from God and that it wasn't something I made up in my head.

I know this gift doesn't make sense to people, but God is very complex and none of us will ever fully understand him. Another thing I've learned about this gift is that God usually doesn't have you give someone a personal message that he didn't already reveal to them first. So if someone says they are giving you a word from God, but God never revealed it to you first, then be careful about receiving that word, especially if it's something negative.
 
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You make an idiotic assumption about my filling with the Holy Spirit. I will be generous and say that you simply misunderstand what it is to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

tongues have nothing to do with filling of the Holy Spirit since they ceased according to 1 Cor 13:8. I do not want to reargue the issue because you will not receive the scriptures because you have your feelings to replace the scriptures.

The Holy Spirit is the gift of God given the moment we receive Christ as our Savior.

The tongues in the bible are human languages not as some claim to be unknowable languages.

Israel saw unknown languages as a sign of judgment from God. They were taken captive and carried into lands where they did not speak the language. That's bible and that's history.

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Roger
Roger ...your just wrong brother ...I know by now you have been challenged by scripture again and again by many folks including myself. The truth is that its not the one that speaks in a tongue that is my true brother in Christ, its the one who loves as Jesus loves. If someone wants to think the gifts of the Holy Spirit has passed away...who cares? If I really have a gift from the Holy Spirit, why would I care what another person thinks? I have a gift from God...and I thank my God, I pray in tongues more than you all...as Paul says :) Good enough for Paul...good enough for me....SAME Holy Spirit...not a "different" spirit
 
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I speak in English but many people still don't where it is I'm coming from, or where I'm going. :)
 

notuptome

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Roger ...your just wrong brother ...I know by now you have been challenged by scripture again and again by many folks including myself. The truth is that its not the one that speaks in a tongue that is my true brother in Christ, its the one who loves as Jesus loves. If someone wants to think the gifts of the Holy Spirit has passed away...who cares? If I really have a gift from the Holy Spirit, why would I care what another person thinks? I have a gift from God...and I thank my God, I pray in tongues more than you all...as Paul says :) Good enough for Paul...good enough for me....SAME Holy Spirit...not a "different" spirit
You are playing fast and loose with the scriptures here. 1 Cor 14:18 Paul says he spoke in tongues not prayed in tongues. I would assert that Paul spoke human languages not unknowable tongues as we see today. Jesus never prayed in tongues and He was heard of His Father. You are reading the scriptures to support what you want them to say not what they actually say. Proper exegesis is to read out not into the scriptures.

I have in another thread endeavored to determine if it is the Holy Spirit or another familiar spirit operating in the modern tongues movement.

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Roger
 
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Just ignore 1 Cor 13:8.

No such thing as a prayer language. Hebrews says we are to come into Gods presence and to come boldly.

Children do not come and speak to their Father in a special language.

Really what kind of Gentile seeks a sign?

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Roger
1 Corinthians 14:12-20 (NASB) [SUP]12 [/SUP]So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying? [SUP]17 [/SUP]For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified. [SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; [SUP]19 [/SUP]however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature.

Speaking, praying, & singing in tongues is listed here. If you threw away everything in scripture you didn't understand, you'd eventually throw away Jesus.
 
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1Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[SUP]a[/SUP] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[SUP]b[/SUP] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

egg is better on the plate then on your face...tongues is listed in the gifts from I Corinthians (kidding re the egg, but you know I do joke sometimes) but I'm not joking about tongues

I'm sorry you are missing out on the infilling of the Holy Spirit

You and I already had this discussion...for pages...when I first joined, so not much more to say really...but you know, tongues is listed as a gift...and yes, it is also a sign...so if it makes you happy, we are both right! :p

To those that believe in tongues and interpretation we should remember this. Tongues and Interpretation are equal to general prophesying. General Prophesying is found in Romans 12.6 and 1 Cor 14.3 and speaks to men and women words of edification, exhortation and comfort and will testify of Jesus.

The interpretation can come from anyone who has the gift to interpret an unknown/divers tongues or has prayed that he/she may interpret 1Cor 14.13 . When we had a church, my congregation knew I could interpret any message in tongues that was given, but I also had a few members that Holy Spirit wanted to be used in interpretation.I would met with them and make sure they also knew they operated in this gift and i gave them the liberty to be able to give interpretations to messages in tongues. This is how I was trained. It also built their faith to step out and operate in a gift when they needed to.

The 3-4 brothers and sisters learned how to flow with the Holy Spirit and It taught me better spiritual discernment. I knew if not one of these folks moved to give the interpretation,that it was more than likely the one giving the message in tongues was in their flesh. I cannot count how many times those 3-4 would also give a message in tongues, and then wait after giving it to see if they should go ahead and give the interpretation, or allow me to, which is also in order and Biblical. Normally during special services, revivals, or other meetings, They allowed me to give the interpretation.

Those that state this ended and use 1 Cor 13 as backing for such a claim need to ask yourself[do not ask me please] if it has ended why did Paul write 13, between 12 and 14. If it all ended then he should have wrote 12, made 14 , 13 and 13 , 14 .
 
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You make an idiotic assumption about my filling with the Holy Spirit. I will be generous and say that you simply misunderstand what it is to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

tongues have nothing to do with filling of the Holy Spirit since they ceased according to 1 Cor 13:8. I do not want to reargue the issue because you will not receive the scriptures because you have your feelings to replace the scriptures.

The Holy Spirit is the gift of God given the moment we receive Christ as our Savior.

The tongues in the bible are human languages not as some claim to be unknowable languages.

Israel saw unknown languages as a sign of judgment from God. They were taken captive and carried into lands where they did not speak the language. That's bible and that's history.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
idiotic, eh? nice...very nice to say that to another Christian

I'll mention again...you cessationists get so stinking angry at those of us who believe that the gifts are for today...why is that?

Of course you don't believe which is why you don't have. It's that simple.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit...the injunction to be filled with the Holy Spirit, in the original language does not say simply be filled with the Holy Spirit.

A better rendering would actually be 'be continually filled or be being filled'...so, how does one manage that if it happens only one time? How do we fullfill that?

15Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5

See, we cannot choose how the Holy Spirit should act...we can only accept how He does in fact act...or, we can reject the whole thing and mumble something about how it is not for today.

And then get angry at other believers because they are filled with the Spirit of God on an ongoing basis
 
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You are playing fast and loose with the scriptures here. 1 Cor 14:18 Paul says he spoke in tongues not prayed in tongues. I would assert that Paul spoke human languages not unknowable tongues as we see today. Jesus never prayed in tongues and He was heard of His Father. You are reading the scriptures to support what you want them to say not what they actually say. Proper exegesis is to read out not into the scriptures.

I have in another thread endeavored to determine if it is the Holy Spirit or another familiar spirit operating in the modern tongues movement.

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Roger
Roger ..just read the chapter in clear context...

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1Co 14:15 ¶ What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
 
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You are playing fast and loose with the scriptures here. 1 Cor 14:18 Paul says he spoke in tongues not prayed in tongues. I would assert that Paul spoke human languages not unknowable tongues as we see today. Jesus never prayed in tongues and He was heard of His Father. You are reading the scriptures to support what you want them to say not what they actually say. Proper exegesis is to read out not into the scriptures.

I have in another thread endeavored to determine if it is the Holy Spirit or another familiar spirit operating in the modern tongues movement.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
SO Paul spoke in Greek, the church at Corinth spoke in Greek, so why do you guys always try to spin tongues in 1 Cor 14 as "another " different human language?
 
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I believe baptism with the sign of speaking in tongues is heresy! They dunk these poor people til they they come up gibbering. I have witnessed this! There is nothing biblical about this
You speak of something you know nothing about.
 
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Just ignore 1 Cor 13:8.

No such thing as a prayer language. Hebrews says we are to come into Gods presence and to come boldly.

Children do not come and speak to their Father in a special language.

Really what kind of Gentile seeks a sign?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I speak to God in another language by the power of the Holy Spirit. That is what praying in the Spirit is.