Global warming - climate change

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AxeElf

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It's kinda funny how all these scientists, politicians, and Hollywood/Music stars are great at lecturing the rest of us on how to live, when they aren't doing squat to change their own lifestyles.

And btw; I own the television series "In Search Of" and there is an episode from the 1970s all about the "coming ice age" where scientists, including NASA scientists, where all harping about how man-caused global cooling was going to doom us all.
It really doesn't have a lot to do with individual lifestyles, it has to do with global practices. It would cost a lot of money for global companies to change the status quo of their practices, so instead they wage war on the information that makes them look like idiots for NOT doing something.

But in the end, they're still idiots.

And btw; getting your "scientific" data from a TV show hosted by Leonard Nimoy concerning Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and UFOs probably doesn't help to separate you from the flock.
 

Budman

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And btw; getting your "scientific" data from a TV show hosted by Leonard Nimoy concerning Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and UFOs probably doesn't help to separate you from the flock.
The point being, the reason they did an episode on it was because, at the time, all the scientists were saying that global cooling was going to bring about a new ice age. And the scientists they interviewed were just as credible as the ones hyping the global warming nonsense today. If you want to be a rube, you've got that right, but don't ask the rest of us to hand over our money so the government can "save us" from a threat that doesn't exist.

Let the rest of us know when you pledge your support the "Green New Deal" that calls for the destruction of every building in America so they can be re-built to be more energy efficient, the elimination of coal, natural gas, oil, etc., and running our economy on solar and wind. The elimination of the internal combustion engine, and airplanes. The idea we can build train bridges across the oceans for the electric trains to take us to Europe, banning the eating of meat and killing the "farting" cows, and all of the rest of the loony liberal nonsense.
 

AxeElf

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The point being, the reason they did an episode on it was because, at the time, all the scientists were saying that global cooling was going to bring about a new ice age. And the scientists they interviewed were just as credible as the ones hyping the global warming nonsense today.
The reason they did an episode on it was to gain ratings. It is incorrect to say that "all the scientists were saying that global cooling was going to bring about a new ice age," or even that MOST of them were. You can find a "scientist" willing to say all manner of nonsense, if you look hard enough--you can probably find some today arguing that the Earth is flat or that it is only 6,000 years old. But the truth is that the majority of scientists even then were concerned about trends toward global warming, not global cooling.

The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Consensus

If you want to be a rube, you've got that right, but don't ask the rest of us to hand over our money so the government can "save us" from a threat that doesn't exist.
I'm not asking you to do anything other than to use the brain that God gave you. The threat is real, documented beyond a reasonable doubt, and may or may not spell our doom--but the Earth is getting hotter, no question about it. What you choose to do about it personally is up to you. I don't think there's much I can do about it personally either--but I'm not going to deny well-documented evidence that it's happening--THAT would constitute "being a rube."
 

obedienttogod

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What is your biblical perspective on this topic?






For years, and I suppose to some degree still for some, "Climate Change" has been a major divide between science and believers. That always made we wonder though. My thoughts then, due to Matthew 24, the weather would play some part in the "End Times."

Ultimately, I believe that was the Holy Spirit who implanted that seed concerning weather. But on interest alone, I dug into meteorology. I absolutely feel meteorologists (scientist) have theorized and mathematically (algorithm) been able to properly understand all weather situations to a degree. They might not take the plates shifting 500k+ feet below us, which are causing shifting, that results in unsettling the balance (harmony) of the earths surface, causing rise and fall conditions to bodies of water, to which humans can visibly see typhoons, hurricanes, tsunami's, and feel massive earthquakes, earth movement, enough shifting to revive volcanic activity, or the earth splitting in places that swallow people up is literally how OUR DESIGNER designed the earth when He spoke it into existence!! But they do offer enough knowledge that we can see what God meant in Matthew 24.

The beauty of all weather issues begins on the fact the North/South Poles do not rotate. It's as if it is on a literal invisible axis (like a finger to a basketball you spin on). But more revealing of the Wisdom and Knowledge of God, is only 2 directions are technically (North/South exist but not as relevant to East/West in terms of scripture meaning) possible. We get the West direction because the moment Earth began to spin East (which has for as long as Earth existed), going opposite of East to the beginning makes that direction automatically West. This creates the condition that East and West will always keep becoming further away from one another. And outside of how the Temple was designed to face the East and take the rotation of the Earth towards it, represented a condition God revealed unto us through David in Psalms.

THE PERFECT DEFINITION OF WHAT GOD DID UPON THE CROSS AND WHAT GRACE MEANS:

Hebrew
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 103

Tehillim (Psalms) 103:12
יבכִּרְחֹ֣ק מִ֖זְרָח מִֽמַּֽעֲרָ֑ב הִרְחִ֥יק מִ֜מֶּ֗נּוּ
אֶת־פְּשָׁעֵֽינוּ:

English
12 As the distance of east from west, He distanced our transgressions from us.



the KJV
Psalms 103:12

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.


(NOTICE) says in ALL scripture references EAST from WEST (West never moves and East continues away from it).

This is how God takes our sin and moves it from us and Himself!! The answer to how much does God love us? Answer: from East to West or eternally forever!!



So, in my opinion, by understanding weather a bit more. I have concluded that "Climate Control" (which God has His own term for it), is not a matter we should be debating. I believe we should it accept it as a "sign of the times." Because no matter who defines it properly, there is no question in my mind to what I have been witnessing in weather. That I can see for myself, just within my own lifetime, what stable patterns were for 30+ years and now have become unstable patterns of irregulatory. And those older than myself have also witnessed the same thing within their lifetimes.

We should accept that science is worried because this really is not normal behavior we see day to day any more. And we should take this concern like Yeshua was concerned in Matthew 24, when He told us to pay attention to the weather. He specified it was a sign of the time, or the sign of the beginnings of the great Tribulation.

We are literally witnessing the birthing pains that were prophesied!!
 
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UnderGrace

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The threat is real, documented beyond a reasonable doubt,
Hardly, in science it would proven by the scientific method, that has definitely not happened.
 

obedienttogod

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Another East to West scripture reference in Matthew 24, is when Yeshua returns, it will be as lightning from East to West.

East to West - Lightning = if we pay attention to scripture, understand the meaning behind scientific theory in meteorology, we can see how God related His return to WEATHER CONDITIONS.


Which is an obvious clue from God to PAY ATTENTION to the changing unstable conditions in weather patterns caused by CLIMATE CONTROL equaling the "Last Days!!" :)
 

PennEd

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Global warming is on the same level as evolution.

Both are a religion, and people want to believe it. Some, don't want to admit they have been indoctrinated fools. Others don't even know they have been made fools. And some are just people that understand, but still want to control people.

Their hysteria gets worse and worse, even as NONE of the dire consequences we have been lied to about haven't come to pass. But that's ok. They can just move the goalposts AGAIN, and indoctrinate children to radicalize them in their crusade to lower everybodys standard of living through socialism and demonization of the one thing that has lifted BILLIONS into a great lifestyle, FOSSIL FUELS.

The vast majority of those on the left are ignorant, but there is a core that are truly evil.
 

Hevosmies

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Eco system disaster.

We have lost 50% of all flying insects worldwide in the last 50 years.
let me guess, mosquitos aint going no where? Just like rats and roaches.

Cant wait for the mosquitos to go extinct!
 

Hevosmies

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But science is better at telling us WHEN the end of time will be. We will have fall, summer, winter and spring until the end of time--but if we can't fix global warming, the end of time is right around the corner.
WOW? SCIENCE IS BETTER THAN THE BIBLE AT TELLING US WHEN THE END OF TIME WILL BE????

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? U BIG DOSSER!

stop listening to those idiot scientists who dont even got enough sense to believe in God!
 

Nehemiah6

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AxeElf

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AxeElf

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WOW? SCIENCE IS BETTER THAN THE BIBLE AT TELLING US WHEN THE END OF TIME WILL BE????

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? U BIG DOSSER!

stop listening to those idiot scientists who dont even got enough sense to believe in God!
The Bible is intended to be a book of spiritual truth. If you use it in the way it was intended, you will probably find it to be quite useful. If you try to use it in a way that it was not intended--as a science book or as a history book, for instance--you will probably find that it fares much worse.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Global warming is on the same level as evolution.

Both are a religion, and people want to believe it. Some, don't want to admit they have been indoctrinated fools. Others don't even know they have been made fools. And some are just people that understand, but still want to control people.

Their hysteria gets worse and worse, even as NONE of the dire consequences we have been lied to about haven't come to pass. But that's ok. They can just move the goalposts AGAIN, and indoctrinate children to radicalize them in their crusade to lower everybodys standard of living through socialism and demonization of the one thing that has lifted BILLIONS into a great lifestyle, FOSSIL FUELS.

The vast majority of those on the left are ignorant, but there is a core that are truly evil.
How much science do you know? A friend of mine did not know why cars needed petrol, so climate
change was just too complex an idea.

Anyone who thinks climate change is indoctrinated fools does not understand science. Climate change is fact.
We either continue to take more steps to cut down the effects or the change will come quicker than we can handle.
Put this in perspective, the whole science community know climate change is real and we caused it. The question
now is how fast, and what is going to change. You are talking 1 billion people effected, directly, whole cities having
to be rebuilt or moved. So if you think this is fools, you have little ability to face social reality.

It is like meeting the flat earthers, who had a presence on some forums. They are just as nuts, and as long as they
do nothing bad fine. Sadly the christian community shows its delusions sometimes being unable to tell what is
just a faith position and what is truth, that we all have to face.
 

Hevosmies

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The Bible is intended to be a book of spiritual truth. If you use it in the way it was intended, you will probably find it to be quite useful. If you try to use it in a way that it was not intended--as a science book or as a history book, for instance--you will probably find that it fares much worse.
Bible is proven to be HISTORICALLY accurate. SCIENTIFICALLY accurate. And if you disagree with that, you are like air to me and not a brother at all.

Hope you find the truth one of these days.
 

Nehemiah6

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So you can believe the lone media mogul, or the vast majority of scientists.
It is not just one man's opinion. There is a whole raft of scientists who reject this bogus science.

31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence".

...There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth....

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/en...s/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence
 

TabinRivCA

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WOW? SCIENCE IS BETTER THAN THE BIBLE AT TELLING US WHEN THE END OF TIME WILL BE????

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? U BIG DOSSER!

stop listening to those idiot scientists who dont even got enough sense to believe in God!
You're calling someone a 'dosser' who has a diff opinion, what is that, something bad?
 

Hevosmies

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You're calling someone a 'dosser' who has a diff opinion, what is that, something bad?
what i meant by that was a lazy person. Someone who didnt put in the time to do research and is repeating the 'scientific' data!

I got that word from the Gypsy King himself, Tyson Fury! Best boxer in the heavyweight division, no doubt!
He is from england, I AM NOT.

Also, yes I am big on calling people names for having a "DIFF OPINION", if that DIFF OPINION is that SECULAR SCIENTISTS know anything better than the BIBLE!
Thats not a Christian stance!