Global Warming

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taylor_11

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Just for fun, what are your opinions on Global Warming ??? =) Do you think its real? a hoax? dangerous? not a big deal?...

personally, I honestly dont know where to stand on the subject. Some scientists say they have proof that its real, while others say they have proof that its not real ! However, I definitely do NOT agree with those who say that the polar ice caps are going to melt and flood the whole world.

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I have to be humble about this, as I do with all issues where I'm not the expert, and say that I don't know. I grew up with a father who pushed a lot of right-wing dogma on me, a lot of conspiracy theories, etc. As I've gotten older, I've been exposed to the other viewpoint (which I wasn't, as a child) and have changed my position on several issues. On this issue, I have to defer to the scientists. The experts are the ones who know what's going on, so I have little choice except to accept what they say. I would compare this to a mechanic fixing my car: one mechanic may make the wrong diagnosis, just like one scientist may make the wrong conclusion, but when you have a consensus among the most reputable mechanics (scientists) in the country, I accept their diagnosis on my car because I'm not a mechanic and I have no idea what's wrong or how to go about fixing it. I grow nervous around people who are not reputable scientists that make bold claims about science that contradict the claims of hundreds of reputable ones.

That being said, I have two other thoughts on global warming and the environment:

1) As Christians, we ought to be good stewards of the earth. We ought not mistreat any part of God's creation, so the message of caring for the earth that is promoted by environmentalists is, I think, in line with a biblical world view. As with anything, it can be taken too far, but most of the time the ones who try to poo-poo environmental protection are groups like the oil companies--who are more interested in money and power than they are for the care of the earth.

2.) If global warming turns out to be bogus and we take all these steps to change our way of living and come up with cleaner ways of producing energy, we still win. Cleaner air, cleaner water, more fuel-efficient vehicles, and all the rest are advantages for humankind.
 
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Matthew

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Just for fun, what are your opinions on Global Warming ??? =) Do you think its real? a hoax? dangerous? not a big deal?...

personally, I honestly dont know where to stand on the subject. Some scientists say they have proof that its real, while others say they have proof that its not real ! However, I definitely do NOT agree with those who say that the polar ice caps are going to melt and flood the whole world.​
To have a credible opinion on global warming requires a lot of knowledge that I don't have, so like Groundhog I generally defer to those that are studying this and try to behave responsibly, but I also maintain an open mind that they could be incorrect, changes to the earth on such a huge scale does bring with it a huge margin for error after all.

That being said it is an undeniable fact that the polar ice caps are melting, what effect that will have or is currently having is more what's being debated, there is irrefutable evidence the ice caps are in decline.
 
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dustyzafu

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I grow nervous around people who are not reputable scientists that make bold claims about science that contradict the claims of hundreds of reputable ones.
I think this is the key to the discussion. Too often, opinions about global warming correlate too closely with ideological boundaries and, because nobody really knows your average scientist's credentials, fervor is all that matters. People, it seems, like to have very strong opinions determined not by evidence, but by what best serves their rhetoric.

It's impossible to take your average person's opinions on something so complex seriously when they can't even solve a quadratic equation, much less a model of the earth's future climate. I don't know why we do tend to take each other so seriously. Is it because it's fun?
 
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And there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

See the Bible never says anything about the globe warming up but there are a lot of disasters happening and I believe the great tribulation is not too far in the distant future.

However I think that Al Gore is racking in the big bucks with all his gimical statements and his movie, "The Inconveint Truth." He reminds me of Chicken Little who made everyone worry about the sky falling down.

Read Matthew 24 I don't believe the Lord will operate any differnt than what His Word says.
 
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BXblessings2you

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I've read somewhere, I can't remember where, but it said 1998 was the warmest "recent" year. When hurricane Katrina hit the U.S. a lot people were saying global warming caused worse hurricanes and storms, but many of the strongest recorded hurricanes are way back around 1930. But, in any case, I'd have to agree with everyone here---if we said we knew for sure whether global warming is a true phenomenon either we'd be full of ourselves or we'd have to be (over)confident scientists
 
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Raeshelle

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Well I am not sure one way or the other on Global warning. It is as you stated some say it is real some not. But it can't hurt us to be nicer to our planet.
But as for the ice caps melting and flooding the whole earth.. I think not. Read your bible. God said he would not destroy the earth again by water..

Genesis 9:11-16 (New International Version)

11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."
12 And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth."
 
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BXblessings2you

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See the Bible never says anything about the globe warming up but there are a lot of disasters happening and I believe the great tribulation is not too far in the distant future.
I think you over estimate disasters, perhaps because of media. But if you look through history of about the last 100 years there were many and worse disasters in the early part of the 20th Century. I've also heard that there's a book in the Old Testament that mentions snow much more than the others. Maybe it was just in a cold place...(I did not read the OT yet, so perhaps someone could confirm or refute this)
 
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Maddog

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There are a lot of reputable scientists who disagree that mankind is causing global warming by carbon dioxide emissions. Thye are not presently the majority view, but as a non-scientist, their argument makes more sense to me. At the moment, the world is cooling, and hasn't been warming for some time. File me under 'sceptic'.

Here's a video that presents a short overview of the debate: [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0zb9QbhI_c[/video]
 
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I think you over estimate disasters, perhaps because of media. But if you look through history of about the last 100 years there were many and worse disasters in the early part of the 20th Century. I've also heard that there's a book in the Old Testament that mentions snow much more than the others. Maybe it was just in a cold place...(I did not read the OT yet, so perhaps someone could confirm or refute this)

Yes but no were in History has a U.S. President said that we are no longer a christian Nation and then He made fun of 3 passages of scripture. Look it up on utube.

Plus Daniel Prophesied this over 2000 years ago. He said in the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased Daniel 12:4 And in the last 50 years that prophacy has been fulfilled.

My Interpetation -----many will travel from one place to the next and technology will be increased.

We have nothing to worry about as long as we have faith in Jesus and follow the Word

The economy is going in the dump and I believe they are going to need to form a one world goverment in order to sustain peace. they will also apose Christianity at this time.
 
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BXblessings2you

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many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased Daniel 12:4 And in the last 50 years that prophacy has been fulfilled.
This could also have referred to something like the industrial revolution, or other periods of history that people never predicted. You are assuming humanity is at the peak of its innovation, something we cannot be sure of at all. But the topic here is global warming and I was just making statements to discuss this, not whether it is the time of the great tribulation.
 
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Leilaii425

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I really dont care about global warming honestly, and all this ''go green'' nonesense SAVE THE EARTH hupla.. If the earth is getting hotter, so what, if its getting colder so what. The earth aint gonna be around forever and neither are we, so my opinion lightly put is............ whatever!
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Carbon dioxide makes up 0.03% of the earth atmosphere, 'Global Warming' is a hoax, mainly it was designed as false political framework upon which 'carbon tax' could be introduced, humans and animals produce carbod dioxide gases as a natural consequence of their daily activities; breathe in oxygen, breathe out carbon dioxide, the end result of a broad based carbon emission tax is to tax humans and animals for being alive. I must say Satan has exceptional deceptive skills, he also preys upon the ignorance and lack of knowledge that is so clearly evident today.
 
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taylor_11

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Interesting feedback =) I heard one scientist say that several years ago - I cant remember what year - the records show that the C02 found in the atmosphere was almost twice as high as it is right now, yet the climate showed no signs of any significant warming. Now I dont know anything about this scientist, but it really makes you think...even if the earth is warming, is it really our fault? Its been scientifically proven that since the Earth began, it has gone through many MAJOR climatic changes...I think that its possibe that this could just be another one of those changes.

However, even if we arent the cause of Global Warming, we definitely are the cause of alot of other things that are hurting our planet and I'm all for going green since it benefits the earth wether Global Warming's real or not.
 
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Matthew

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However, even if we arent the cause of Global Warming, we definitely are the cause of alot of other things that are hurting our planet and I'm all for going green since it benefits the earth wether Global Warming's real or not.
That's what I think as well, I have never understood why so many people try so vigorously to debunk the theory of global warming and so strongly oppose the idea of 'going green' because of it.

In the end it doesn't matter, we know for a fact that pollution is real and has a damaging effect, we know coastal erosion is real and has a damaging effect, it is a fact that human activity can harm the earth if we don't consider our actions and try do things in a good way.

So I generally ignore all of the arguments and try to live as a responsible person, if that means walking instead of driving then it's no big deal.
 
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Maddog

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Carbon dioxide makes up 0.03% of the earth atmosphere, 'Global Warming' is a hoax, mainly it was designed as false political framework upon which 'carbon tax' could be introduced, humans and animals produce carbod dioxide gases as a natural consequence of their daily activities; breathe in oxygen, breathe out carbon dioxide, the end result of a broad based carbon emission tax is to tax humans and animals for being alive. I must say Satan has exceptional deceptive skills, he also preys upon the ignorance and lack of knowledge that is so clearly evident today.
Aye, that's what MEP Godfrey Bloom says as well:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOygATEabIk[/video]
 
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Slepsog4

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I remember as a kid when the summers were extremely hot it makes the so-called global warming years seem like a cool breeze.

I also remember times when it was exceptionally cold and folks were talking the coming of another ice-age.

It is called CYCLES. The Liberals and environmentalist wackos as well as the nature worshipers like to use stuff like "Global Warming" for power grabs.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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I remember as a kid when the summers were extremely hot it makes the so-called global warming years seem like a cool breeze.

I also remember times when it was exceptionally cold and folks were talking the coming of another ice-age.

It is called CYCLES. The Liberals and environmentalist wackos as well as the nature worshipers like to use stuff like "Global Warming" for power grabs.
Yes quite correct, you may notice that because of their false science which is easily proved as a hoax, they have changed their terminology from 'Global warming' to 'climate change', if it rains excessively, they can call it 'climate change' if there is a drought - that's 'climate change', if there is cold weather or hot whether, still down to 'climate change', they have just covere their bases, this is fairly standard political practice, you just change the terminology to suit whatever outcome. But as Jesus said, and we as Christians should listen to Jesus and not political talking heads, Jesus said- 'by their fruits you shall know them', so what is the fruit, forget the rhetoric, what is it that they want this time, well they want a tax, they want money, they want to steal more of what you have and take away whatever wealth, freedom and rights that you have left. And that's just theft, Bible says 'Thou shalt not steal', very simple, it's not complicated, God commands that you do not take something that does not belong to you.

There is a Judgement for everyone, so governments will be judged accordingly, if they refuse to repent, then that is not going to well for them, we will be judged by God's holy law and justice will be done, there is no escaping that.
 
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