God’s Curses are Still on the TRUE Israelites of Today‏!

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Eccl12and13

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God said ALL of His curses would fall upon ALL of the nation of Israel and ALL of her SEED if they did not obey Him. That would be ALL 12 tribes! That means God’s curses are STILL on ALL if Israel’s seed TODAY! God gave us these signs so that the world may KNOW who are the true Israelites and who are NOT!

Deut.28
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

Take note of what God is saying here; these curses are to be used as a sign. God gave us these signs so that the true Israelite COULD be identified, not hidden. Let’s consider something for a moment…..


Let’s say you had no idea what a duck looked like, but someone told you to be on the look out for one. As a matter of fact the person telling you to watch for a duck had never seen one either. But they had been given this description: an aquatic bird, with a long neck, a flat bill, scaled legs, webbed feet, short rounded body, waddles when walking and makes a quacking sound. Now that you have a description, though you have never seen a duck, you would know that a horse is NOT a duck, nor is a dog or a cat. Now you may have a problem if a geese or swan came your way….but you could at least tell these animals are in the same family.

In the same way, the true nation of Israel can be identified today. All 12 tribes are all still around and they still have the signs/curses upon them for not obeying their God. They MUST have them, for we will soon read that the nation of Israel, as a whole, did NOT obey God. Some of the tribes you may be able to recognize immediately, others may be harder to identify. But one thing is for certain, with the signs/curses given to us in God’s holy word, you will definitely be able to tell who is NOT of the seed of Israel!

Here is something else to consider; If you have a people that claim to be a certain people but have NONE of the signs/curses upon them or their seed as the Lord said, who do you believe? God’s holy word…..or the ones making the claim?

For those reading please understand: God’s signs/curses are upon a nation of PEOPLE…..NOT a nation, as in the US, Germany or Spain. So in whatever nation any of the 12 tribes of Israel finds herself, God’s curses will be upon her. As we will soon read, the nation where Israel dwells may prosper and all the people around Israel may prosper, but God tells us NOT ISRAEL!

Let’s read God’s Holy word and find out the truth. God gave us these signs so that ALL that read will know who’s the true Israelite. With that said, let’s read the curses and also find if Israel kept or rejected God’s laws. For if we find that they did NOT keep God’s laws and commandments we can write off ALL of the blessing that was to be bestowed unto them.

And let’s go with just the word of God on this one. Man and his history are not always true…but God’s word NEVER lies!



The Nation of Israel did NOT Obey Their God!

Jer.3
[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
[10] And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

And again;

Ezek.2
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
Ezek.3
[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

And again;

Dan.9
[11] Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
[12] And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
[13] As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
[14] Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.

So not only did Israel disobey God and reject His laws and commandments, they did so to the point where God gave them, “…a bill of divorce…”! And has God made Israel His bride again? No!
Since Israel, as a whole, did not hearken unto the Lord, they received NONE of the blessing God promised. The reason I said as a whole, is because God always had some that did obey Him; Moses, David, Job, and the prophets, to name a few. But overall Israel, as a nation of people, did not keep God’s commandments, statutes and laws.

Now that we know Israel did NOT keep God’s laws and commandments let’s read some of the curses God put upon Israel and some of the things He said He would do to her and ALL of her seed!



The Curses that God put upon Israel and ALL of her Seed

God said as a nation the seed of Israel will NOT prosper.
Deut.28
[29] And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.”

God said Israel would be a weak nation!
Deut.28:25
[25] thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them:
[44] he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

God said Israel would be borrowers and NOT lenders of money!
Deut.28:44
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him.

God said Israel would occupy prisons!
Isa.42
[22] But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses

God’s word says that wherever Israel finds herself, in whatever nation, it will not be good for her!
Deut.28
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[19] Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
[20] The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

God tells us another nation will reap the rewards of Israel's labor.
Deut.28
[33] The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

God tells us that He will bring the Nation of Israel to a place and have a kings set over them, and in that nation will they serve gods of wood and stone.
Deut.28
[36] The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.”

God tells us the people in the land where Israel dwells will rise above Israel and lend to Israel, NOT Israel to them!
Deut.28:43&44
[43] The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

God tells us that the seed of Israel will be given to another people.
Deut.28
[32] Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.”
[41] Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.”

And finally….let’s read one last thing God said HE would do to nation Israel because of their disobedience;

God said He would scatter Israel! They would NOT have a choice in the matter!
"And I will scatter you among the heathen" Lev.26:33
"I will scatter them also among the heathen" Jer.9:16
"I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy" Jer.18:17
“The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.” Deut.28:25
"when they be in the land of their enemies" Lev.26:44
"and disperse thee in the countries" Ezek.22:15

God tells us the true Israelite will no longer dwell in their land, but would live in their enemies land! And that they will be REMOVED, not migrate, to other countries. In other words….they will NOT have a choice in the matter.

So again, these signs MUST be upon the entire nation of Israel TODAY! Not just (1) tribe, but ALL (12)!!

Now the people that have these signs upon them are the Israelites of the bible. If you have a nation of people that DO NOT have these signs/curses upon them they CANNOT be the people God is speaking of! If you have a people that make such a claim they are not telling the truth! And since God's word does NOT lie........well.....like I said, you decide!

The bottom line is this, the entire nation of Israel, all 12 tribes, are supposed to be down and out, scattered into all parts of the earth, borrowers and not lenders, held in prison houses, their sons and daughters thrown into captivity, cursed by their God. God gave us these signs NOT to hide who Israel is, but to SHOW who Israel is! Does the above description sound like the people dwelling in the land today?



God’s word vs. Man’s

So are God’s words a lie? Let’s compare the people that call themselves Israel today to the word of God. Let us read God’s word and YOU decide!

Should the TRUE Israelite be living in the land today? NO!
“I will scatter them also among the heathen” Jer.9:16
“I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy” Jer.18:17
But the people that say they are God’s chosen ARE living in the land.

Should the TRUE Israel be a powerful nation? NO!
"he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail." Deut.28:44
But the people, living in the land, have an Army, Air Force AND Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)!

Should the TRUE Israel be a rich nation? NO!
"He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him” Deut.28:44
But the people, living in the land, with WMD, are a wealthy nation. Israel lends money not just to individual….but to NATIONS!!

Should the TRUE Israelite dwell safely in their land once gathered by God? YES!
"and they shall fear no more" Jer.23:4
But the people living in the land, loaners of money with WMD live in fear of bombings each and every day!

Should we find a large population of Israel hid in the prison system? YES!
“But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses” Isa.44:22
But the people, living in the land and loaners of money, number’s are so few in the prison system, there are barely enough to be counted to give a percentage.



And Now from the Man Himself

Let’s read a few more scriptures. Let’s read the words of Jesus and while you are reading them think to yourselves, “Why would He say such a thing?” Of all the warning why this one?

Rev 2
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

So who should one believe? God or man?

Some are probably saying, “Why does it even matter?”.

Well it matters because there are prophecies based on knowing who is the true nation of Israel. And if you have the people wrong……how can your prophecies be right?

If or when you do find a people that have ALL of God’s signs/curses, you will have found the TRUE Israelites of the bible. You may not want to accept who it is that fits God’s description and have the signs/curses, but it is what it is….God’s word cannot lie!

God, in giving us signs to look for so that we CAN identify Israel, also gave us a way to tell who is NOT Israel!!

So who’s lying? God or man?

After all……if it walks, looks and sounds like a duck……then guess what?


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eternally-gratefull

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still do not get what your saying. OT prophesy said this would happen. It also states they will also repent at a certain time and the curses removed. so whats your point?
 
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Eccl12and13

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still do not get what your saying. OT prophesy said this would happen. It also states they will also repent at a certain time and the curses removed. so whats your point?
Let's read the word of God to find if some of the conditions that God said would be upon the true Isrealites have occurred. For if these conditions apply, we will then know God has started gathering His people once again and have taken them to be His bride once more;

Jer.23
[3] And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

God will gather the remnant from ALL of the countries where HE drove them. This has not happened yet!

[5] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

A seed of David will reign and execute judgment in the earth. This has not happened yet!

[6] In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Israel will dwell safely. And we know this has not happened yet!

Thus far none of the conditions that God said would happen to show the gather of the true nation of Israel has happened yet.

The curses have not been removed. God NEVER said Israel would have both curses AND blessings. It was one or the other. The curses will be removed when Israel is gathered....ALL of Israel!

So you ask, "so whats your point?"

Well....just as the post said;

"...it matters because there are prophecies based on knowing who is the true nation of Israel [and when they are gathered.] If you have the people wrong……how can your prophecies be right?"


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Eccl12and13

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Does anyone else find it odd that the people that claim to be one of the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel has NONE of the curses that God said would be upon her and her seed forever?

We know Israel did NOT keep God's laws and commandments so that means NONE of the blessings are upon the true Israelites.

And yet the people in that land are lenders and are the head and not the tail!

Or.....is everyone just ignoring the elephant in the room?


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Younique

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I think everyone is just ignoring the elephant in the room, friend :)
 
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sparkman

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Re: God’s Curses are Still on the TRUE Israelites of Today‏!

OK..correct me if I'm wrong, but you're proposing that British Israelism is true, and that the western Europeans and those who descended from them (Americans, Aussies, New Zealanders) are the "Lost Ten Tribes" of ancient Israel.

The theory goes that the Jews and Benjamin and part of Levi comprise the Southern Kingdom, and the rest of the 10 tribes comprise the Northern Kingdom. The Northern Kingdom migrated into Western Europe, and are the white people that are associated with those nations today.

As such, they are still under the Old Covenant, and must start obeying God's laws in order to reap the benefits of the relationship. If not the entire Old Covenant, it's the bits and pieces that you choose are still applicable. Included amongst these laws is probably the ceremonial or ritualistic practices like the Sabbath, annual festivals, clean and unclean meats, and maybe even physical circumcision if you're very exotic.

The problem with your thesis, assuming I am accurate in my educated guess, is that the Sabbath and Holy Days are not applicable to New Covenant Christians. I have covered that adequately in this thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-17-sabbath-festival-new-moon-observance.html


In addition, the whole British Israelism thing is based on silliness. For example, they propose that the word Saxon comes from "Isaac's Sons"...this is simply linguistic silliness. The word likely comes from "small axe" in Old English. Denmark is viewed as being the tribe of Dan.

I used to be a member of Worldwide Church of God, whose founder was Herbert Armstrong, and I too believed this silliness. They have refuted their own silliness and they have articles on their website concerning this if anyone is interested. The name of their new organization is Grace Communion International.

The worst part of the silliness associated with these beliefs is that the focus is not on Jesus Christ and salvation through placing their faith in Him. The focus is about silly conspiracy theories and on keeping "the Law", which means the ceremonial and ritualistic aspects like the Sabbath, Holy Days, clean and unclean meats and even physical circumcision for some.

People are always trying to come up with sensational conspiracy theories rather than simply reading the plain and main message of Scripture. That is one of the problems with human nature. Individuals who hold such weird beliefs just need to grow up spiritually and start reading their Bible and savoring the truths about salvation instead of concocting weird conspiracy theories like British Israelism.


God said ALL of His curses would fall upon ALL of the nation of Israel and ALL of her SEED if they did not obey Him. That would be ALL 12 tribes! That means God’s curses are STILL on ALL if Israel’s seed TODAY! God gave us these signs so that the world may KNOW who are the true Israelites and who are NOT!

Deut.28
[15] But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[46] And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

Take note of what God is saying here; these curses are to be used as a sign. God gave us these signs so that the true Israelite COULD be identified, not hidden. Let’s consider something for a moment…..


Let’s say you had no idea what a duck looked like, but someone told you to be on the look out for one. As a matter of fact the person telling you to watch for a duck had never seen one either. But they had been given this description: an aquatic bird, with a long neck, a flat bill, scaled legs, webbed feet, short rounded body, waddles when walking and makes a quacking sound. Now that you have a description, though you have never seen a duck, you would know that a horse is NOT a duck, nor is a dog or a cat. Now you may have a problem if a geese or swan came your way….but you could at least tell these animals are in the same family.

In the same way, the true nation of Israel can be identified today. All 12 tribes are all still around and they still have the signs/curses upon them for not obeying their God. They MUST have them, for we will soon read that the nation of Israel, as a whole, did NOT obey God. Some of the tribes you may be able to recognize immediately, others may be harder to identify. But one thing is for certain, with the signs/curses given to us in God’s holy word, you will definitely be able to tell who is NOT of the seed of Israel!

Here is something else to consider; If you have a people that claim to be a certain people but have NONE of the signs/curses upon them or their seed as the Lord said, who do you believe? God’s holy word…..or the ones making the claim?

For those reading please understand: God’s signs/curses are upon a nation of PEOPLE…..NOT a nation, as in the US, Germany or Spain. So in whatever nation any of the 12 tribes of Israel finds herself, God’s curses will be upon her. As we will soon read, the nation where Israel dwells may prosper and all the people around Israel may prosper, but God tells us NOT ISRAEL!

Let’s read God’s Holy word and find out the truth. God gave us these signs so that ALL that read will know who’s the true Israelite. With that said, let’s read the curses and also find if Israel kept or rejected God’s laws. For if we find that they did NOT keep God’s laws and commandments we can write off ALL of the blessing that was to be bestowed unto them.

And let’s go with just the word of God on this one. Man and his history are not always true…but God’s word NEVER lies!



The Nation of Israel did NOT Obey Their God!

Jer.3
[6] The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7] And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8] And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
[10] And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

And again;

Ezek.2
[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
Ezek.3
[7] But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

And again;

Dan.9
[11] Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
[12] And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
[13] As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
[14] Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.

So not only did Israel disobey God and reject His laws and commandments, they did so to the point where God gave them, “…a bill of divorce…”! And has God made Israel His bride again? No!
Since Israel, as a whole, did not hearken unto the Lord, they received NONE of the blessing God promised. The reason I said as a whole, is because God always had some that did obey Him; Moses, David, Job, and the prophets, to name a few. But overall Israel, as a nation of people, did not keep God’s commandments, statutes and laws.

Now that we know Israel did NOT keep God’s laws and commandments let’s read some of the curses God put upon Israel and some of the things He said He would do to her and ALL of her seed!



The Curses that God put upon Israel and ALL of her Seed

God said as a nation the seed of Israel will NOT prosper.
Deut.28
[29] And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.”

God said Israel would be a weak nation!
Deut.28:25
[25] thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them:
[44] he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

God said Israel would be borrowers and NOT lenders of money!
Deut.28:44
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him.

God said Israel would occupy prisons!
Isa.42
[22] But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses

God’s word says that wherever Israel finds herself, in whatever nation, it will not be good for her!
Deut.28
[16] Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[17] Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[18] Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[19] Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
[20] The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

God tells us another nation will reap the rewards of Israel's labor.
Deut.28
[33] The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

God tells us that He will bring the Nation of Israel to a place and have a kings set over them, and in that nation will they serve gods of wood and stone.
Deut.28
[36] The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.”

God tells us the people in the land where Israel dwells will rise above Israel and lend to Israel, NOT Israel to them!
Deut.28:43&44
[43] The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[44] He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

God tells us that the seed of Israel will be given to another people.
Deut.28
[32] Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.”
[41] Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.”

And finally….let’s read one last thing God said HE would do to nation Israel because of their disobedience;

God said He would scatter Israel! They would NOT have a choice in the matter!
"And I will scatter you among the heathen" Lev.26:33
"I will scatter them also among the heathen" Jer.9:16
"I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy" Jer.18:17
“The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.” Deut.28:25
"when they be in the land of their enemies" Lev.26:44
"and disperse thee in the countries" Ezek.22:15

God tells us the true Israelite will no longer dwell in their land, but would live in their enemies land! And that they will be REMOVED, not migrate, to other countries. In other words….they will NOT have a choice in the matter.

So again, these signs MUST be upon the entire nation of Israel TODAY! Not just (1) tribe, but ALL (12)!!

Now the people that have these signs upon them are the Israelites of the bible. If you have a nation of people that DO NOT have these signs/curses upon them they CANNOT be the people God is speaking of! If you have a people that make such a claim they are not telling the truth! And since God's word does NOT lie........well.....like I said, you decide!

The bottom line is this, the entire nation of Israel, all 12 tribes, are supposed to be down and out, scattered into all parts of the earth, borrowers and not lenders, held in prison houses, their sons and daughters thrown into captivity, cursed by their God. God gave us these signs NOT to hide who Israel is, but to SHOW who Israel is! Does the above description sound like the people dwelling in the land today?



God’s word vs. Man’s

So are God’s words a lie? Let’s compare the people that call themselves Israel today to the word of God. Let us read God’s word and YOU decide!

Should the TRUE Israelite be living in the land today? NO!
“I will scatter them also among the heathen” Jer.9:16
“I will scatter them as with an east wind before the enemy” Jer.18:17
But the people that say they are God’s chosen ARE living in the land.

Should the TRUE Israel be a powerful nation? NO!
"he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail." Deut.28:44
But the people, living in the land, have an Army, Air Force AND Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)!

Should the TRUE Israel be a rich nation? NO!
"He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him” Deut.28:44
But the people, living in the land, with WMD, are a wealthy nation. Israel lends money not just to individual….but to NATIONS!!

Should the TRUE Israelite dwell safely in their land once gathered by God? YES!
"and they shall fear no more" Jer.23:4
But the people living in the land, loaners of money with WMD live in fear of bombings each and every day!

Should we find a large population of Israel hid in the prison system? YES!
“But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses” Isa.44:22
But the people, living in the land and loaners of money, number’s are so few in the prison system, there are barely enough to be counted to give a percentage.



And Now from the Man Himself

Let’s read a few more scriptures. Let’s read the words of Jesus and while you are reading them think to yourselves, “Why would He say such a thing?” Of all the warning why this one?

Rev 2
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:[9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

So who should one believe? God or man?

Some are probably saying, “Why does it even matter?”.

Well it matters because there are prophecies based on knowing who is the true nation of Israel. And if you have the people wrong……how can your prophecies be right?

If or when you do find a people that have ALL of God’s signs/curses, you will have found the TRUE Israelites of the bible. You may not want to accept who it is that fits God’s description and have the signs/curses, but it is what it is….God’s word cannot lie!

God, in giving us signs to look for so that we CAN identify Israel, also gave us a way to tell who is NOT Israel!!

So who’s lying? God or man?

After all……if it walks, looks and sounds like a duck……then guess what?


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Budman

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Replacement theology rears it's ugly head once again...
 

valiant

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Re: God’s Curses are Still on the TRUE Israelites of Today‏!

Let's read the word of God to find if some of the conditions that God said would be upon the true Isrealites have occurred. For if these conditions apply, we will then know God has started gathering His people once again and have taken them to be His bride once more;

Jer.23
[3] And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

God will gather the remnant from ALL of the countries where HE drove them. This has not happened yet!
It happened in 538 BC following.

[5] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

A seed of David will reign and execute judgment in the earth. This has not happened yet!
It happened when Jesus came on earth as king, and continued as king having taken His throne over the earth in Heaven.

[6] In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Israel will dwell safely. And we know this has not happened yet!
But the true Israel who believe in the Messiah were saved and do dwell in safety and His Name is the them 'the LORD our righteousness'

Thus far none of the conditions that God said would happen to show the gather of the true nation of Israel has happened yet.

The curses have not been removed. God NEVER said Israel would have both curses AND blessings. It was one or the other. The curses will be removed when Israel is gathered....ALL of Israel!
The curses have been removed from the true Israel by Him Who was made a curse for them.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Replacement theology rears it's ugly head once again...
this isn't even 'replacement theology'...this is just gobbledygook...