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I know that a large majority of believers believe that most people get cast on judgment day.
I also know there are a lot more people that don't believe it but keep hush about it because
they know they will be shunned by their church and fellow Christians.
I am also aware that there are a few, and only a few verses in the Bible that can actually
appear to say it. But there are numerous verses that say all peoples are saved.
Why are they never discussed in Christian forums?
Here are some. In case anyone is interested in discussing them.

1. 1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of
the world. (Can this mean part of the world?)

2. 1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours
only but also for the whole world. (Never mind. I think this answered my question)

3. John 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.

4. John 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

5. John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

6. John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

7. Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour;that he
by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

8. Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

9. 1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach,because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach. (wow. How can anyone question that?)

10. 1 Tim 2:3-6
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of
God our Savior;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto
the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in
due time.

Col 1
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile >all things< unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 1
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience >many< were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall >many< be made righteous.
Rom 8
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
(Animals will be saved also. Thought Id throw that in there. : ) )

Romans 11
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. (Pretty forth right, no?)

1 Cor 4
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

1 Cor 11
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Cor 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

2 Cor 5
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
Heb 8

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
To be Cont: There are many.

Luke 2
9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Luke 23
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
(That's kind of a big one if you think about it rationally)

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
(Will not Gods Will be done?)

Galatians 3
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall >all< nations be blessed.

Lam 3
31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
32 But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.

Joel 2
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Psalm 22
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

Psalm 65
2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3 Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.

Psalm 66
4 All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.

Psalm 86
9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.

Psalm 145
21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the Lord: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever.

Acts 3
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Gen 12
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Gen 18
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Gen 28
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Titus 2
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.
Isaiah 25

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 26
9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Isaiah 40
5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 45
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 52
10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

Isaiah 57
16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Revelation 5
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
 
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Cont:

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a >great< multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of >great< tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(please note, a great number that could not be counted came out of the great tribulation. The same great that went in, came out.)
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Revelation 15
4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

Its not hard to see why most people believed Jesus claimed to be the savior of all men. At least up until the Romans times.
And after reading all these verses, how can one bash another for suggesting that the Bible might say salvation is for all people.
 

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It is my hope and prayer that all are saved and that not a singe one goes to the lake of fire.
 
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No!!!
People decide to go there. Jesus poses several obstacles to prevent them from getting there (illness, financial or family problem, etc.). Unfortunately, most insist on getting there. Jesus then gives them the reward of what they have sought so hard.
 

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The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels. Men who are cast therein are those who refuse to forsake their sin and receive Christ. The lake of fire was not created for men. It is sin that is the focus of Gods eternal wrath. If you will not let go of your sin it will drag you into the lake of fire.

None need perish but all are able to repent

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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I'll wait for the condensed version of the op

I already have a Bible :geek:
 

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Well Chuckyz2, there is a Problem, if you taking verses out of the context. The NT speaks clear what happens when people dont belive in Jesus. The most popular vers is John 3,16.
You can discuss about all your Verses, but at the end will stand that People find there Destiny in hell because of not believing in Jesus Christ. I dont know how it is in US, but in Germany the very most people dont want hear about Jesus. And they Making Jokes about him. Many believe to an God, but Jesus playes no role in their life. Nobody will come into heaven against bis will.
Yes, its True God Loves every Single Person he Made, but the People dont want have anything to do with Him. They want to live their own life and think they are free to do everything. Instead of be free they are bound to sin and Devil. And it seems they like it.
 

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I think, I don't claim to know that those who don't side with the antichrist but haven't gotten right with the Lord either, may get a second chance at the first judgment that will last for 1000 years. Till the devil is loosed again to wreak havoc for 3 days. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is lord. That isn't good enough. Some will go straight to hell some will get a room in the new mansion and many will have to work. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. At the white throne judgment the Lord will decide who get's into the new Eden. There will be no more rebellion after that. This life is only a test. That's what I think.
 
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No!!!
People decide to go there. Jesus poses several obstacles to prevent them from getting there (illness, financial or family problem, etc.). Unfortunately, most insist on getting there. Jesus then gives them the reward of what they have sought so hard.
If I was God and my kid decided to go there, I would definitely think that my kid had a mental problem, Or some other issue. But being God who can do anything, and especially a loving merciful God, I would just heal that kid. It wouldn't even be questionable. Any God that would cast his own child into eternal punishment is a evil God. Period. Not gonna happen. : )
You really should think that through.
 
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The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels. Men who are cast therein are those who refuse to forsake their sin and receive Christ. The lake of fire was not created for men. It is sin that is the focus of Gods eternal wrath. If you will not let go of your sin it will drag you into the lake of fire.

None need perish but all are able to repent

For the cause of Christ
Roger
But everyone sins!!!
John 12:47 Jesus said He doesn't judge those who rejects His words. That He is going to save them.
47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
Do you just ignore Jesus to make your theology ok?
 
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I'll wait for the condensed version of the op

I already have a Bible :geek:
Not sure what you mean. How can I condense all those verses.
Just pick a few and tell me what you think they mean?
Pretty obvious the Bible says all peoples are saved when you actually sit down and read it.
 
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I think, I don't claim to know that those who don't side with the antichrist but haven't gotten right with the Lord either, may get a second chance at the first judgment that will last for 1000 years. Till the devil is loosed again to wreak havoc for 3 days. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is lord. That isn't good enough. Some will go straight to hell some will get a room in the new mansion and many will have to work. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. At the white throne judgment the Lord will decide who get's into the new Eden. There will be no more rebellion after that. This life is only a test. That's what I think.
There is not one place in the Bible that says one must believe before they die to inherit salvation. Everyone dies in their sin. Everyone is resurrected and made new and the same great number of people that go into the great tribulation come out praising God dressed in white washed by His blood. Are you familiar with that verse. Thanks for your reply.
 

notuptome

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But everyone sins!!!
John 12:47 Jesus said He doesn't judge those who rejects His words. That He is going to save them.
47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
Do you just ignore Jesus to make your theology ok?
Those who do not receive Jesus as Savior will perish. You need a biblically correct soteriology. Jesus does not judge because they are already judged. They are already guilty before the law and need redemption.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Well Chuckyz2, there is a Problem, if you taking verses out of the context. The NT speaks clear what happens when people dont belive in Jesus. The most popular vers is John 3,16.
You can discuss about all your Verses, but at the end will stand that People find there Destiny in hell because of not believing in Jesus Christ. I dont know how it is in US, but in Germany the very most people dont want hear about Jesus. And they Making Jokes about him. Many believe to an God, but Jesus playes no role in their life. Nobody will come into heaven against bis will.
Yes, its True God Loves every Single Person he Made, but the People dont want have anything to do with Him. They want to live their own life and think they are free to do everything. Instead of be free they are bound to sin and Devil. And it seems they like it.
How can me posting the verses be taking them out of context? Lol. Is that just a habitual reply? The verses speak for themselves. Look them up in you native tongue. Lol. They are simply stated so that even a child could understand them.
And look up John 12:47
47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
Jesus simply stated that He does not judge the unbeliever, that He is going to save them.

What could be more loving than that?
 

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There is not one place in the Bible that says one must believe before they die to inherit salvation. Everyone dies in their sin. Everyone is resurrected and made new and the same great number of people that go into the great tribulation come out praising God dressed in white washed by His blood. Are you familiar with that verse. Thanks for your reply.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The death here is eternal death. If you are not saved you will never understand Revelation. Jesus came to die so that sinful men could be saved by grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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Gods righteousness demands justice.

Grace is received through faith. Faith is trusting God to save men from their sin. Grace is God imputing to men righteousness and not imputing sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I think, I don't claim to know that those who don't side with the antichrist but haven't gotten right with the Lord either, may get a second chance at the first judgment that will last for 1000 years. Till the devil is loosed again to wreak havoc for 3 days. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is lord. That isn't good enough. Some will go straight to hell some will get a room in the new mansion and many will have to work. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. At the white throne judgment the Lord will decide who get's into the new Eden. There will be no more rebellion after that. This life is only a test. That's what I think.
Many will side with it. And it wont be a human being. Nor will those that side with it be human.
As it was during the time of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man.
There were giants in those days when the sons of God (fallen angels) came into the daughters of men.
Read the Book 1 Enoch for more details.
It also says that people were all dead when the flood hit.
When men could no longer sustain the giants, they turned and devoured mankind.
They are coming back when the angels are released.
 
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Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The death here is eternal death. If you are not saved you will never understand Revelation. Jesus came to die so that sinful men could be saved by grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I understand Revelation just fine. Because I don't ignore the simple Words of my Lord.
It says the saving comes after death. And it says everyone is raised.
And yes, the wages of sin is death. We all die. And we all die sinners.
And Jesus simply stated that if you sin the devil is your master
Therefore you will die in your sin. But do not worry, I have overcome death.
47 And if anyone hears My words and does not ]believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
You cant ignore the simply stated.
 

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Gods righteousness demands justice.

Grace is received through faith. Faith is trusting God to save men from their sin. Grace is God imputing to men righteousness and not imputing sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
IF IT WEREN'T FOR GRACE, WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO HAVE FAITH IN. IT WAS GRACE FROM THE ALMIGHTY THAT GAVE US JESUS BEFORE WE BELEIVED