God's Elect: This Ends Any Debate

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1 Corinthians 2 verse 12; Colossians 2 verse 13 When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
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John 3 verse 6, Romans 8 verse 7, Galatians 5 verse 17, 2 Timothy 3 verse 13, Romans 3 verse 18 ~ Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
 
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Kroogz said:
Interesting that the context is believers who are living in the flesh rather than the Spirit.
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Romans 8 verses 9-10 ~ You are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 
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bluejean_bible said:
To think,the gospel was taught by God himself. Direct and to the point. No debate for thousands of years.

Then the Internet was created,and bible discussion forums arrived. And now the Gospel is a matter of debate. And humans are certain they can put the gospel into the proper context.

We're weird.
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oh the catholics and protestants had a few wars against each other..
 
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bluejean_bible said:
1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
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that does not mean God can not draw them and explain to them so they can chose.
 
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bluejean_bible said:
You can't divide this community through errant judgement.

Christ died for all whom the father gives him.
John 6:65Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.”
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he died for the world (john 3)

justr like he had moses raise the bronze serpent for all but only a few believes.
 
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Magenta said:

1 Corinthians 2 verse 12; Colossians 2 verse 13 When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
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yes, thank God for that Holy Spirit so we may appreciate what God gave us when we were saved. and so much more
 
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Cameron143 said:
No to what? Like Joshua, he gave a favorable report. That's why he and Joshua were allowed to enter the Promise Land.
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then he said yes.

I said I believe Johsua was the only one. I could not remember. Thank you for reminding me another one did.. Actually I am sure a few most likely did..
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
then he said yes.

I said I believe Johsua was the only one. I could not remember. Thank you for reminding me another one did.. Actually I am sure a few most likely did..
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There were 12 spies sent into the land. Only Joshua and Caleb gave good reports. The rest feared going into the land because they found giants in the land.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
no

he died for the world (john 3)

justr like he had moses raise the bronze serpent for all but only a few believes.
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If he died for all in the world his ministry would have been differently worded.

Especially as we recall his telling us,no one can come to him unless the father calls them. And if all the father gives him,he will lose none.
 
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Cameron143 said:
There were 12 spies sent into the land. Only Joshua and Caleb gave good reports. The rest feared going into the land because they found giants in the land.
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and the people chose to follow the rest and not the 2.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
that does not mean God can not draw them and explain to them so they can chose.
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The passage says exactly that.

They can only be drawn to him and understand his gospel if he calls them , has entered into them, and left them then to understand the gospel. Otherwise,in their natural state they cannot do any of this of their own accord.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Actually as a 19 Y/O he would most likely have been guilty himself. remember only Joshua voted to go. everyone else voted no.. And only Joshua entered.

Now as a 5 y/o yes, they would have had to wait until hey were 45 years old to enter.

Also remember, Daniel was a just man, but he suffered the sins of his fathers,
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Perhaps later I will get more time to go into this. Right now I'm packing to drive across the country. My guess is you are making a mistake that I frequently make and that is to quote biblical narrative from memory. Might I suggest your memory is not correct? It was not only Joshua. Caleb also crossed over.

Regarding the age of innocence at that time, as delineated in Numbers 14 and expounded upon in Deuteronomy chapter 1, the age division denoted in the actual text is 20. See Numbers 14:29-30. In those two verses, it clearly states "twenty years and upward" would not enter the Promise Land, and clearly states that Caleb and Joshua would enter the promise land. The text is the text.

As to your Daniel reference, I missing how it ties into the specifics of the conversation. I've written an entire chapter in my book about the sins of the fathers. It does not mean what so many curse deliverance proponents claim.

God Bless

Thanks for the response.
 
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