God's Reconciliation = Not Imputing Sin or Trespasses

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2Cor 5:14-21 ' For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him'.

This is the gospel and the commission of the gospel of Jesus Christ in a nutshell. Accepting Jesus Christ is being reconciled to God. When God, who loved the world, sent his Son Jesus Christ into the world, His mission and purpose was to get to the cross and be crucified as the sacrificial Lamb of God. Through His death, Christ took the sin of all mankind upon his body and was judged for all sin through death. His precious blood paid for the debt that sin had accomplished in separating man from God, who created them. Now, God was in Christ performing the work of reconciliation by not imputing their trespasses unto them. God tranferred and imputed all sin to His Son on the cross, once and for all (Rom 6:9, Heb 10:10,12). God did this so that He could have grounds for fellowship with man, who He created, who had become separated from Him through sin.

Look at (2Cor 5:19), God was in Christ reconciling the world (inhabitants of the human race) unto Himself. And how was God going to do that, by not imputing their trespasses to them. There is not a human being that has ever lived, whose sins have been imputed to them. The word imputing in (v/19) is logizmai - meaning to reckon, to take into account, to put on one's account as a record. God took all sin and put it on Jesus Christ's account (also retroactively as the sins that were past in Rom 3:25) to be dealt with through the shedding of blood and death. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins (Heb 9:22). The verb form of remission (aphesis) means to dismiss, to release from the offence, the bondage and the penalty. It is translated as 'forgiveness' in (Col 1:14, Eph 1:7, Acts 5:31, 13:38, 26:18). God has put ALL sin away through the sacrifice of His Son and He wants all men to be forgiven of the sins that He has put away on their behalf (Christ as our substitute). This is the reconciliation of God, that was appropriated by God, for man, through Jesus Christ. The word and ministry of this reconciliation has been committed unto us by God, in His stead (in behalf of, in 2Cor 5:18,19).

The love of the Father had to satisfy His own justice, in relationship to what sin had done through separating God from man in terms of broken fellowship, intimacy and communion. This is why we eat and share with one another the bread of Christ's broken body and drink the cup of His shed blood in rememberance of Him (2Cor 11:23-34). The backslidden Christian must come back to Christ, confess his sin and be restored. This is why when sin abounds grace does much more abound (Rom 5:20,21).The bread and blood of Christ is the communion of the new covenant. The love and restoration of that new covenant covers a multitude of sins (James 5:20, 1Peter 4:8).
 
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BLC, do you pray the Lord's prayer at all? Or do you skip over the bit which says:

"Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us".
 

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MahoganySnail,

Are you telling me that ALL sin was not put on Christ and judged through His death on the cross? Did God leave any sin not paid for by the blood of Christ? Are you saying that Godwas not in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, by not imputing their sins and trespasses unto them? I don't know what Bible you are reading from but the scriptures are crystal clear. If God didn't put away your sin, you would never know forgiveness, there would be no cleansing, there would be no salvation by grace through faith and you would be continually judged for your sin and live in guilt. We are free to serve a living God because He does not deal with us according to our sins or iniquities, because they have been put away and judged already. If I sin, God forbid, I confess it to God and I am clean and restored instantly, with no probation. When sin abounds, grace does much more abound. We don't deserve it that way, but that is how does it, because of what His Son did for us on Calvary. What do you think Paul meant when he was writing to the Church at Corinth and declared, 'I am determined to know nothing among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified (!Cor 2:2)? This is a Bible Discussion. Prove me wrong.
 
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Yes, you are right Jesus did die for all our sins and we are saved but
ROMANS 7:15-18 form the NIV bible says What then?shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
So all tough Jesus has died for our sins it does not mean sin is still ok we still have to confuse our sins to Christ so we may be forgiven and become rightiouse in Gods eyes
 
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Of course, I believe all sin is put away. So to answer my question you said:

If I sin, God forbid, I confess it to God and I am clean and restored instantly, with no probation.
I take that as a yes?

I am just unsure whether you believe Christians need to ask God to forgive their sins daily?
 

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Of course, I believe all sin is put away. So to answer my question you said:

I take that as a yes?

I am just unsure whether you believe Christians need to ask God to forgive their sins daily?

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Rom 14:23). Therefore to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin (James 4:17). Are vain thoughts and imaginations sinful? To mind the things of the flesh (Rom 8:5, Eph 2:3), is that sin? To judge, condemn, slander, malign or accuse your brother, is that sin? To not forgive your brother who has trespassed against you, is that sin? To let something come from your mouth that does not minister grace to the hearer (Eph 4:29), is that corrupt and sinful? To think and speak evil of any man and violate the love of God that thinks no evil, is that sin (Jer 29:11, 1Cor 13:5, Mt 9:4, 1Thes 5:15, Titus 3:2)? When someone repeats a matter of sin to others is that a violation of the love of God and is that sin (1Pt 4:8, James 5:20, Prov 17:9). I could mention more.

(1John 1:9) tells us what to do if we sin. If all these things are sinful, which involve all our lives daily, then we should be examining ourselves every moment of every day to make sure that we confess our sin to God. For most of us, that would be a daily boatload with a whole lot of confession. This is not what God wants from us. He will convict us, through the Holy Spirit and the word of God, in those areas of sin that He is dealing with in our lives. This is why it is so important to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ (2Pt 3:18). Under His conviction we then confess those areas of sin specifically, and He is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us. There is no probation from God and if God remembers our sins no more, neither should we and that goes for our brother also (Heb 8:12, 10:17, Is 43:25).
 
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thankyou for your very thorough response.

But what do you think happens to a person who is unwilling to confess their sins they know God is convicting them about?
 
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thankyou for your very thorough response.

But what do you think happens to a person who is unwilling to confess their sins they know God is convicting them about?
Post a bump or something, look what post # you are on!
 

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thankyou for your very thorough response.

But what do you think happens to a person who is unwilling to confess their sins they know God is convicting them about?

God will never forsake His own (Heb 13:5) and Christ will lose none that the Father has given Him (John 17:12, 18:9). These are promises from God the Father and our LORD Jesus Christ that can not fail (1Kings 8:56). If we sin and sin abounds in our life, grace will abound much more than the sin (Rom 5:20). If we do not confess our sin and receive grace to be restored, our heart will begin to harden because we refuse to hear God's instructions and that leads to rebellion in the heart. God loves us and that love is impersonal, meaning that it will not change toward us no matter what we have done. Impersonal love does not need an object to love. God is love with or without an object and He rests in His love (Zeph 3:17).

Sin has broken our fellowship with God and His word and God desires to restore that fellowship. To restore fellowship God has to get our attention through some form of chastisement or discipline, which could take on a verity of methods. He does not do this to punish us because of our sin, but wants to bring us to a place of repentance, where we will come to Him, respond to His conviction, acknowledge our sin and receive grace to be restored. This is the peaceable fruit of righteousness that God wants to yield in our life so that a root of bitterness does not spring up to trouble and defile others (Heb 12:11-15).

If God can get our heart, He will have no problem getting our will to cooperate. If we continue to rebel as sons and not respond to His loving discipline, then we will be scourged. This is a much stronger form of chastisement and may happen more than once but falls short of death (Heb 12:6). The final stage of discipline, if we refuse everything else that God has done to turn us back to Him as a son, is the sin unto death (1John 5:16,17). God does not want it this way, but will take us home ahead of time. We will be ashamed at the judgment seat of Christ but we will not be judged for the sin that lead to physical death, though we may suffer the lose of rewards. Not every believer responds to God's chastening. There are those that go back into the world because they would rather enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season than to suffer affliction with the people of God (Heb 11:25).

I am not condoning or encouraging any believer to live in any sin at any time. What I am saying is that the old sin nature of the first Adam, that is in the members (flesh and blood) of our own physical body is given dominion because of a callous heart that has allowed negativity and deception to take over our capacity to respond to God by faith. When this happens to a believer, the most important thing for them is to be available to and come to the light and hear the word of God (John 3:19-21). Sometimes we think that certain passages of scripture is dealing only with the unbeliever when in reality they apply to all men because God is dealing with the heart of man.
 
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The final stage of discipline, if we refuse everything else that God has done to turn us back to Him as a son, is the sin unto death (1John 5:16,17). God does not want it this way, but will take us home ahead of time. We will be ashamed at the judgment seat of Christ but we will not be judged for the sin that lead to physical death, though we may suffer the lose of rewards.
I was right with you til here?
 
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When it refers to death it doesn't mean going to heaven. Death means hell, life means heaven.
 
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Gods word says that he is married to the backslider. In my opinion, alot of young people fall away for feeling they can never measure up to being a christian. This is not so , for though we may think we leave him, however, his word says he never leaves us, jesus did not die for the flesh,[for his word says there is no flesh worthy to inherit his kingdom, and no flesh will inherit his kingdom ]he died for the heart of man, to be reconciled back to our heavenly father,who can not look upon sin or hear the sinner[ for he alone is holy]. by covering our sinfull flesh with the blood of his new covenent[his living word which became flesh, jesus] anyone and everyone who calls upon jesus his son shall be saved! the word says by keeping on repenting , we are putting christ back on the cross. Once saved we have an open door[Jesus] to Gods throne. Letting no one condem us anymore. for only God alone knows the heart of each individual. God keep blessing you for sharing his word
 
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When it refers to death it doesn't mean going to heaven. Death means hell, life means heaven.
the flesh shall die, or be changed in a twinkling of an eye, I believe this is the generation that will be changed!:)
 

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When it refers to death it doesn't mean going to heaven. Death means hell, life means heaven.
* I copied this page, but the author is unknown. It might help you to study the verses mentioned in the context they are mentioned.

The Sin Unto Death

The phrase "sin unto death" describes the final stage of divine discipline in which God removes from the earth the person who is totally alienated from God. The "sin unto death" is not a particular sin; but it is, rather, a mental attitude of total indifference to and rebellion against the will and purpose of God.

The spiritual condition of the person who comes under the "sin unto death" is characterized by continual and maximum carnality; and this punishment represents God's final step of chastisement to those who are in maximum alienation from God. Only God can discern the true nature of a person's mind, attitude, or volition; and only God knows whether a person is actually implacable and deserving of physical death.

My Add - The word for death used in (1John 5:16) is thanatos, which is the form of death for the separation of the soul from the body. The death here does not refer to the soul but to the body, representing the physical death and destruction of the fleshly body.

The "sin unto death" is described as a principle in 1 John 5:16; Psalm 118:17,18; and Ezek. 18:21-32.
It is important for the Christian to understand the circumstances under which sins are not "unto death".
First, sin which is confessed is not "unto death". 1 John 1:9; 1 Cor. 11:31; Ps. 32:5; Ps. 38.
Second, sin which is discontinued is not "unto death". Heb. 12:1; Eze. 18:21-32.
Finally, the person who responds positively to divine discipline is not involved in the "sin unto death". Heb. 12:6, cf. 12:11-15.

There are definite characteristics by which to recognize the conditions which lead to God's applying the "sin unto death". Persistent, unconfessed sin, sin which continues unchecked with no repentance, may bring a person under this category. Also, the person who persistently ignores Grace, warnings, and discipline may come under the "sin unto death". Lev. 26. Then, sin which has a maximum adverse effect on other people (causing stumbling) may lead a person into severe discipline.

Some case histories of the "sin unto death":

* The case of "lying to the Holy Spirit" (Ananias and Sapphira). Acts 5:1-10.
* The case of persistent carnality while sitting at the Lord's Table, 1 Cor. 11:30,31.
* The case of disobedience to the Word of God.1 Chron.10:13,14; 1 Sam. 13:9-14. King Saul did not kill Agag although directly ordered to do so by God; he insisted on personally offering sacrifices in the place of divinely appointed priests; and he consulted a witch, itself a capital offense. * The case of self-righteousness and dependence on man which was perpetuated (case of Hezekiah). Isa. 38.

* author unknown
 
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The eternal salvation teachings are a new age teaching, for 1500 years after the crusifixion and resurection of Jesus this was never taught or accepted. This the same debate we have been having this whole week under a new post. I just can't sit and watch teaching like this go unchallenged. I do it out of love for others souls, not to be arguing...what if this is what makes the difference between someone commiting adultry or something more aweful.
 
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Sin unto death has always been traditionally understood to carry temporal if not eternal consequences in the next life. BLC makes it out to be a free trip to heaven for the sinner. Heb 10:27 is a reference to the sin unto death, and it is not painted with a pretty picture that the person will be having a happy time in heaven
Heb 10:27
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
 

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The eternal salvation teachings are a new age teaching, for 1500 years after the crusifixion and resurection of Jesus this was never taught or accepted. This the same debate we have been having this whole week under a new post. I just can't sit and watch teaching like this go unchallenged. I do it out of love for others souls, not to be arguing...what if this is what makes the difference between someone commiting adultry or something more aweful.
You better make sure that you never sin in anything, because if you do you will never be sure that your repentance was good enough. The only way your repentance would be good enough is if you never sinned again. Can you make that boast?
 
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I still sin, everytime I do I ask Jesus to take my sins away again, and I can literally feel the forgiveness.
 
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