GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[valiant]

Valiant ! you are right, it was all given to Israel - God never established any covenant with gentiles or christians...whether new or old.

God established a covenant with Abraham which was for all men (Gal 3) which the covenant with Israel could not invalidate.

If the inheritance is based on LAW it is no longer based on a promise

The point being that people/gentiles/strangers had to turn to GOD and follow His instructions starting with associationg themselves closely with His people Israel Ex 12 to come under the same law.

haven't you got Galatians 3 in your Bible?

Even in the NT we are all to become spiritual Israelites to share in their covenants and promises of God. There is no separate covenant with christians or any stranger not part of the commonwealth of Israel Eph 2 ; Heb 8 ;!!!

see above

In Rom 7, Paul (an Apostle of God) says the Commandments (ordained to life)are spiritual, holy, just and good. They show us SIN when we don't keep them 1Joh 3v4.

and they leave us helpless. oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me

So, if merged with Israel we are under the same Commandments..which include the 7th day Sabbath.

False. We are merged with Abraham. The law which came 430 years later is temporary

 

[valiant]

COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 PART 1/2 THE REAL TRUTH

The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods weekly Sabbath day of the 4th commandment. This is for those that may be interested in learning the real meaning of the scriptures and not that of those leading others to break the commandments of God to follow the traditions and teachings of man over the Word of God. So, what is Col. 2{16} really talking about.?

It is saying that the Sabbaths are a shadow of what it to come, while the SUBSTANCE is of Christ.

No one is to judge us with regard to the shadows.

 

[loveme1]

God established a covenant with Abraham which was for all men (Gal 3) which the covenant with Israel could not invalidate.

If the inheritance is based on LAW it is no longer based on a promise



haven't you got Galatians 3 in your Bible?



see above



and they leave us helpless. oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me




False. We are merged with Abraham. The law which came 430 years later is temporary

Abraham had Isaac.. Isaac had Jacob/Israel and Esau...

 

[Hizikyah]

It is saying that the Sabbaths are a shadow of what it to come, while the SUBSTANCE is of Christ.

No one is to judge us with regard to the shadows.

Colossians 2 is commonly used as a witness against Yah’s Sabbaths, however, Yah’s Sabbaths are 100% bout the Messiah and have origins from Yah, not the world or paganism...

Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”

Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”

Yah’s Sabbaths are 100% bout the Messiah

Psalms 74:4, “Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your appointments; They have set up their own signs as signs.”

The Moadim/Feast Days are the works of Messiah told by YHWH, not by man.

Genesis 1:14, "And Yah said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times*, and for days and years.”


Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times*. The sun knows its going down."


“appointed times” is word #H4150 - Original Word: מוֹעֵד, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: moed, Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade'), Short Definition: meeting, Word Origin from yaad, Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting


1 Thessalonians 5:1, "But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you."




The Appointed Times of YHWH:



There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already - Work as the Suffering Lamb “It is done!”
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice (Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)

2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice

3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints

5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years

6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness

7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future – Work as the Conquering Lion “It is done!”
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

The Moadim/Feast Days are the works of Messiah told by YHWH, not by man.

Isaiah 55:11, “so is My Word that goes forth from My mouth – it does not return to Me empty, but shall do what I please, and shall certainly accomplish what I sent it for.”

Isayah 66:1-2, “This is what YHWH says: The heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool. Where is The House that you will build Me? Could you build me such a resting place? Has not My hand made all these things, and so they came into being? says YHWH. But this is the man to whom I will look: on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who reverences My Word.”

Amos 8:11-13, “See, days are coming,” declares the Master יהוה, “that I shall send a hunger in the land, not a hunger for bread, nor a thirst for water, but for hearing the Words of יהוה. And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east – they shall diligently search, seeking the Word of יהוה, but they shall not find it. In that day the beautiful maidens and strong young men shall faint from thirst.”

John 4:24, "Yah is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

 

[beta]

it seems that those who argue for the Sabbath don't even understand it. The Sabbath was NOT a day for worship it was a day of complete cessation from work. So all their 'keeping of the Sabbath' is incorrect.

Forgive me ,but you seem a little behing times regarding Sabbath-keeping. It was originally a time of resting from our own work ...but does not stop there. There is always 'progress with God, nothing stands still and stagnates....so we see from Lev 23 that people were to 'assemble befort God on His holy days...including the Sabbath...why, what for ? to worship Him ? not entirely but also to receive instruction 'as people of God how to behave and conduct themselves different from the nations around them !!!
Deut 4 - Israel were given statutes and judgements which were 'righteous and they were to do and keep them, follow them and be an example to other natioins !
That was a rather big task they could not keep....but that is another story. The Sabbath was a time to learn from God.... that we today should be able to do with the help of His Holy Spirit !!!

 

[Studyman]

=valiant;3326335]

God established a covenant with Abraham which was for all men (Gal 3) which the covenant with Israel could not invalidate.

If the inheritance is based on LAW it is no longer based on a promise

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Abraham had God's Laws, but the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial, ceremonial "works of the Law" had not been "ADDED" yet as Paul said in Gal. 3:19 of your Bible. Abraham has his sins cleansed by Faith shown by obedience as did ALL other examples of Faith in the Bible. He was not justified by "Work's of the Law" of justification, or the Levitical Priesthood ADDED to the Laws he obeyed some 430 years later. He was cleansed by Faith, not the blood of goats. But God's definition of sin stays the same as Jesus preached.

haven't you got Galatians 3 in your Bible?

I could ask you the same thing.



False. We are merged with Abraham. The law which came 430 years later is temporary

Yes, we merge with Abraham, but the Laws Abraham kept are still included for us as it was for Abraham. Your preaching that the 10 Commandments, food laws and holy Days were added 430 years later is false. You might not mean this, but because you get your knowledge filtered through doctrines and traditions of Mainstream Church you don't know this stuff.

The Gal. 3 reference to "Works of the Law" from Paul is speaking to the "ADDED" Levitical Priesthood which was specifically designed for justification of sins. Not the definition of sin as the Catholic and her hundreds of daughters teach. Now that Christ has come, Paul teaches we are cleansed by Grace through Faith as it was for Abraham.


Gal. 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,(Levitical Priesthood) or by the hearing of faith?(Faith of Abraham)

 

[comingfrom]

Valiant offered.

If the inheritance is based on LAW it is no longer based on a promise

For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause His name to dwell there;
there shall ye bring all that I command you;
your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices,
your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand,
and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God,
ye, and your sons, and your daughters,
and your menservants, and your maidservants,
and the Levite that is within your gates;
forasmuch as He has no part nor inheritance with you.
Deuteronomy 12:9-12

haven't you got Galatians 3 in your Bible?

These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land,
which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it,
all the days that ye live upon the earth.
Deuteronomy 12:1

see above

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience,
and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:
and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:And hast borne, and hast patience, and for My name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee,
because thou hast left thy first love.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,
except thou repent.
Revelation 2:2-5

and they leave us helpless. oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me

Great peace have they which love the law: and nothing shall offend them.
Psalm 119:165

False. We are merged with Abraham. The law which came 430 years later is temporary

Because that Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge,
My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.

Genesis 26:5

I'd say something to you Valiant,
but first I think you need to be able to see what the Lord in the word is saying to you.

Bless Jesus.
Teach the commandments
Paul

Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19

 

[comingfrom]

It is saying that the Sabbaths are a shadow of what it to come, while the SUBSTANCE is of Christ.

No one is to judge us with regard to the shadows.

And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee,
who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Romans 2:27

 

[valiant]

And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee,
who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Romans 2:27

I love the way you always quote from the section which once for all illustrated the INADEQUACY of the Law.

 

[valiant]

Valiant offered. 'If the inheritance is based on LAW it is no longer based on a promise'

No, not me, but Paul in Gal 3.18. It is Scripture.

 

[valiant]

Valiant offered.

For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause His name to dwell there;
there shall ye bring all that I command you;
your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices,
your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand,
and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God,
ye, and your sons, and your daughters,
and your menservants, and your maidservants,
and the Levite that is within your gates;
forasmuch as He has no part nor inheritance with you.
Deuteronomy 12:9-12

These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land,
which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it,
all the days that ye live upon the earth.
Deuteronomy 12:1

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience,
and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:
and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:And hast borne, and hast patience, and for My name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee,
because thou hast left thy first love.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,
except thou repent.
Revelation 2:2-5

Great peace have they which love the law: and nothing shall offend them.
Psalm 119:165


Genesis 26:5

I'd say something to you Valiant,
but first I think you need to be able to see what the Lord in the word is saying to you.

Bless Jesus.
Teach the commandments
Paul

Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19

you stick in the old testament I will live in the New.

 

[beta]

God established a covenant with Abraham which was for all men (Gal 3) which the covenant with Israel could not invalidate.

If the inheritance is based on LAW it is no longer based on a promise



haven't you got Galatians 3 in your Bible?



see above



and they leave us helpless. oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me




False. We are merged with Abraham. The law which came 430 years later is temporary

Yes the works of the law that were added later are indeed temporary....so we are not talking about keeping 'them...no
we are talking about God's 10 Commandments which are eternal, spiritual, holy, just and good....
and as you said yourself, there is no curse on loving neighbour - consequently there is no curse on loving God either or to keep His holy Sabbath.
So are we finally agreed ? Peace !

 

[comingfrom]

I love the way you always quote from the section which once for all illustrated the INADEQUACY of the Law.

You would say I am uncircumcision, since I do not confess to be a Christian.
But I have fulfilled the law, and I rise up in judgment with this generation of the godly, and I will condemn them.
For they know not the law, and they transgress it, by letter and by their faith.

St Paul was an advocate of the law.
He calls it the law of righteousness.
Says it is good, and holy.
It was men who convinced you that God's law is sin and death.
It is men who turn the scriptures upside so they don't have to do what God says.

No, not me, but Paul in Gal 3.18. It is Scripture.

But scripture supports scripture.
If you think that a part of scripture writes off another part of scripture, that is obviously error.
If three or four chapters of St Paul is all we need,
then why do we still hold all God's words in our hand?

Consider this;
Who wants us to not do God's will?
And who asked us to teach the commandments?

And now there are a billion Christians teaching faith not law.
Paul

 

[valiant]

Yes the works of the law that were added later are indeed temporary....so we are not talking about keeping 'them...no

Good we've agreed on that.

we are talking about God's 10 Commandments which are eternal, spiritual, holy, just and good....

you are just imagining it. The ten words were part of God's covenant with Israel. They are not 'eternal, spiritual, holy, just and good.' They do not appear before Sinai.

'I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, you shall (the ten words)'.

and as you said yourself, there is no curse on loving neighbour -

Actually I did not.

consequently there is no curse on loving God either or to keep His holy Sabbath.

No for the Israelites were required to do so. The holy Sabbath was binding on them. But it is not binding on us.

So are we finally agreed ?

No not at all. You have proved nothing except how devious you are

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Valiant.

you stick in the old testament I will live in the New.

OK. So you have an aversion to God's words.

I will keep both testaments.
One helps me to understand the other.

May St Paul and your faith save you.
Paul

 

[phil36]

(3) Is someone professing to be a Christian who is living a life in unrepentant sin a Christian in your view? I know you will not answer these questions as you have not answered the posts and scriptures and questions I have provided already.

Hi lovegodforever,

The above seems to be a main question for you. There are a couple of things to consider. What do you mean by a Christian with unrepentant sin?
All humans who do not repent and seek forgiveness are under the wrath of God. All who reject Jesus will pay for their unbelief.

So what about the Christian? First of we need to look at he gospel message. The good news! In Christ all sins where paid for past,present and future (we need to be careful here as some push this to the extremes).All our sin was paid for in full – Isa 53:4ff; 2 Cor 5:21; Rom4:25. We are declared just and righteous in and through Christ’s work – not ours, nor by works of the law – Rom 4:24-25; Rom 5:18;Gal 3:13 et al.

Although we are declared righteousness through faith alone in Christ’s works(justified), Sanctification is a process, day by day, hour by hour. We are being transformed into the likeness of Christ. All Christians struggle with sin in their lives, even the apostle Paul - Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.Rom 7:20. Sanctification is a lifetime process and will not be complete until we either die or Jesus comes back. But in this process we are to trust God and walk in the Spirit Gal 5:16.

If the person is indeed a Christian their Justification is sure and secure. Why? Because a Christians right standing before God is not based on their work but Christ’s. The Christian is Justified by faith alone in Christ’s obedience to the law and taking the curse of the law upon Himself on our behalf – Gal2:16. This is why “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Rom 8:1.

Justification or our position as Holy in Christ is once for all:

“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.Acts 13:39”

So this boils your point down to the process of sanctification, as the Christian is already counted righteous through faith in Jesus(Based on Jesus’Life and work). Sanctification is that day by day, hour by hour process of being conformed into the image of Christ. Unlike Justification, Sanctification involves our active participation. Christians will still sin, in fact we know this from scripture and our own experience – 1 John 1:10. Yet this sin does not negate our position as Holy, as our basis of being counted righteous is in Christ's work not ours, Plus we see this in Scripture as well – 1John 1:7-9. All sin the believer does is wilful – James1:14-15. When we sin, we have a Father who is faithful to forgive when we ask for forgiveness. Obedience is also a duty of the Christian, we are to obey the law of Christ (not the law of Moses)which really is the law of love. - John 13:34; Gal 6:2. When we love God and neighbour we in Christ fulfil the law from the heart – Matt22:37ff. Obedience through faith in love will make us salt and light to the world.

“Christ became the end of the Law by virtue of what He did on earth through His sinless life and His sacrifice on the cross. So, the Law no longer has any bearing over us because its demands have been fully met in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ who satisfied the righteous demands of the Law restores us into a pleasing relationship with God and keeps us there. No longer under the penalty of the Law,we now live under the law of grace in the love of God.Jason Meyer.”

Now that we realise that we are positional Holy before God In Christ,that is counted righteous, we are no condemnation from any law, If we sin sin we will certainly come under the fathers displeasure – Heb 12:7-11. But he is faithful to forgive and restore fellowship. Andone day we will be glorified that is fully sanctified, without sin.

So lets go back to your statement.. Can a Christian have unrepentant sin in their life? The answer is yes. Will the Christian be pleased and feel good about this..No, they will feel and come under the fathers displeasure (Heb 12:7-11). This usually should be enough to bring about repentance and asking for forgiveness. However, If indeed they are Christians it does not bring condemnation.. why? Because, it is nailed to the cross, our righteous standing is in Christ not by our own works or following rules. I am sure if Christ where to come back right now, we would all have some unrepentant sin somewhere in our lives, if we are honest with ourselves that is!

On the other hand, If one profess’ to be a Christian and there is no change in their lives at all and they keep on sinning and have no remorse over these sins, then all they are doing is hardening their hearts even more and this is the person Hebrews 10:26-31 refers to. They have tasted the lighted yet reject it.


BTW I have only answered that one question and only briefly.. But even that shows it is all of unmerited grace. Not grace + merit. It is all about the gospel what Jesus accomplished and is still doing. Not Jesus + my merit! Our State as Holy is Christs Merit he kept and upheld the law on our behalf for we could not!

I must admit it is saddening to see almost none of Christ in your posts or what he has done for you and is now doing.. Just law and commandment keeping.

 

[valiant]

You would say I am uncircumcision, since I do not confess to be a Christian.

If you say so.

But I have fulfilled the law,

The Bible says you have NOT, and my experience concurs. There is NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE.

and I rise up in judgment with this generation of the godly, and I will condemn them.

And who are you? LOL

For they know not the law, and they transgress it, by letter and by their faith.

ALL men transgress the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin. It is there to lead us to Christ.

St Paul was an advocate of the law.

We are all advocates of the Law for its purpose. By the Law is the knowledge of sin. We recognise that it condemns us out of hand. Thus we turn to Christ.,

He,calls it the law of righteousness. Says it is good, and holy.

As do we all.

It was men who convinced you that God's law is sin and death.

No actually it was God Who convinced us in Romans 8.2

It is men who turn the scriptures upside so they don't have to do what God says.

Some men may but not us.

But scripture supports scripture.

And it shows the Law condemns us,

If you think that a part of scripture writes off another part of scripture, that is obviously error.

But it does not write it off, it tells us the Law condemns us out of hand.

If three or four chapters of St Paul is all we need, then why do we still hold all God's words in our hand?

It all teaches the same. By the Law is the knowledge of sin,

Consider this;
Who wants us to not do God's will?
And who asked us to teach the commandments?

God knows we cannot do His will fully, and the commandments were to show us that

And now there are a billion Christians teaching faith not law.
Paul

Doubtful, but if they do they are right.

 

[comingfrom]

Do you really want me to answer, Valiant?

I wasn't going to reply, because you receive not the Lord's word at my hand.
But then I noticed some questions, and I am here to answer questions, so here goes.

The Bible says you have NOT, and my experience concurs. There is NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE.

Keeping that saying keeps you from righteousness.
Christians taught you to keep that saying so you won't try to keep God's commandment.
And you overlook that St Paul says even the uncircumcision can fulfil the law.

Here are a couple of examples from scripture for you.

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job;
and that man was perfect and upright,
and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:1

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea,
a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia:
and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God,
walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Luke 1:5-6

And who are you? LOL

I am a Ninevite which repented at the preaching of Jonah.

ALL men transgress the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin.

You should try just speaking for yourself.
There are some who do walk in the commandments.

If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Hebrews 10:26

It is there to lead us to Christ.

Then why are you not teaching it to the lost children of the house of David?

We are all advocates of the Law for its purpose. By the Law is the knowledge of sin. We recognise that it condemns us out of hand. Thus we turn to Christ.,

When it condemned me, I repented,
because that's what Christ Jesus says to do.

As do we all.

But you confessed, you are sticking to the New Testament.
And you barked at me for it.

So in reality, you do not.

No actually it was God Who convinced us in Romans 8.2

The law of the Spirit of Life (Jesus) came by Moses.

You appear to forget that.
And I think you believe that your law of faith supersedes God's law.
At least, that is what you are saying.

But St Paul is calling the law that opposes God's law the law of sin and death.

Some men may but not us.

But you have already here, on numerous occasions.

There is no law that supersedes God's law.
God's law is eternal.
And it is the law of righteousness, ordained for life.
God's law is not the law of sin and death, as you have twice said.

And it shows the Law condemns us,

If it condemns you, then repent!
The law does not condemn those that keep it correctly.
It confirms them and it blesses them.

But it does not write it off, it tells us the Law condemns us out of hand.

Jesus said, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
If you keep the commandments, then you will live, and God will enter you into His land.

I won't quote the verses, since that grieves you so.
I'm sure you know them anyway.
I'm guessing you have read the Bible.

It all teaches the same. By the Law is the knowledge of sin,

To make a difference between the unclean and the clean,
and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

When you know what is sin, and you know what God commands, then you can avoid sin.
So it is possible for a man to be righteous.

God knows we cannot do His will fully, and the commandments were to show us that

God said to Abraham, Walk before Me and be thou perfect.

Jesus (in their Bible) says to the Christians, Be Perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Bless Jesus
Paul

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Phil thanks for your post. Comments below………..

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
(3) Is someone professing to be a Christian who is living a life in unrepentant sin a Christian in your view? I know you will not answer these questions as you have not answered the posts and scriptures and questions I have provided already.

Hi lovegodforever, The above seems to be a main question for you. There are a couple of things to consider. What do you mean by a Christian with unrepentant sin?
All humans who do not repent and seek forgiveness are under the wrath of God. All who reject Jesus will pay for their unbelief.

The question reads as the questions reads above…..

So you’re saying that the wages of sin is death this is correct because they have not received the gift of God (Romans 6:23)………

If that is what you are saying then it is easy to follow on from here is it not and the scriptures are in harmony……………….

Acts 17

30, And the TIMES OF IGNORNCE GOD WINKED AT; BUT NOW COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT: 31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Repent from what and what is sin…………………………….

1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD’S LAW.

Sin is the transgression or breaking of any of God’s Law (10 commandments). God’s Law gives us a knowledge of good and evil or sin and righteousness…………….

James 2:11

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD’S LAW.

Romans 7:7

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Romans 3:20

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

So let’s put it all together................

The question was; is someone professing to be a Christian who is living a life in unrepentant sin a Christian in your view?
If someone is professing to follow God and living in a life of unrepentant sin then that person is not following God and does not know God (1 John 3:3-9; 1 John 2:2-4; Hebrews 10:26-27) because they are living a life that is breaking God’s Law (10 commandments; 1 John 3:4; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 3:20: 6:23)

James tells us that if we break one of the 10 we stand guilty before God of breaking all of His commandments. (James 2:8-12)

The 4th commandment is one of the 10. If we knowingly break it according to God’s Word we stand guilty before God of committing sin because sin is the transgression of God’s Law (1 John 3:4).

Jesus tells us that if we break the commandments of God by following the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9). Who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

So what about the Christian? First of we need to look at he gospel message. The good news! In Christ all sins where paid for past,present and future (we need to be careful here as some push this to the extremes).All our sin was paid for in full – Isa 53:4ff; 2 Cor 5:21; Rom4:25. We are declared just and righteous in and through Christ’s work – not ours, nor by works of the law – Rom 4:24-25; Rom 5:18;Gal 3:13 et al.

What does the Gospel mean to you?
Can you explain what you mean by all sins where paid for past, present and future? Yes I do believe you should be careful there forgiveness is conditional on repentance and confession. Look forward to your reply.

So lets go back to your statement.. Can a Christian have unrepentant sin in their life? The answer is yes. Will the Christian be pleased and feel good about this..No, they will feel and come under the fathers displeasure (Heb 12:7-11). This usually should be enough to bring about repentance and asking for forgiveness. However, If indeed they are Christians it does not bring condemnation.. why? Because, it is nailed to the cross, our righteous standing is in Christ not by our own works or following rules. I am sure if Christ where to come back right now, we would all have some unrepentant sin somewhere in our lives, if we are honest with ourselves that is!

Yet God’s Word disagrees with you and you seem to now to contradict what you said earlier….

I must admit it is saddening to see almost none of Christ in your posts or what he has done for you and is now doing.. Just law and commandment keeping.

And yet everything I have posted is Christ and what he has done for me and continues to do for me day by day. How can we see if we have closed our eyes to see and our ears to hear?

Who should we believe God or Man? The teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God? Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

May God bless all as you seek him through His Word……

 

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It is saying that the Sabbaths are a shadow of what it to come, while the SUBSTANCE is of Christ.
No one is to judge us with regard to the shadows.

Hi Valiant, may I suggest you read the OP before commenting? Your statement above only suggests you have not read the OP and the scriptures from God's Word that tell us what the Shadows are. If you do not believe the OP and all the scriptures presented there, please, by all means tell us why through God's Word?