God's Very Simple Will, Under His Pure GRACE!

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Updated to Current version:

Precious friend(s), is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing
God's Differences Between "His Relationship With us," And
"our fellowship with Him!"?

God's Will, Today, Under His Pure Grace? Very Simply:

(1A) Because Of God's UNDILUTED Wrath On mankind's Sin Against His
Holiness, He, In Wonderful Love, Offers everyone, repeat: everyone,
His UNDILUTED GRACE { = UNmerited Favor } For Eternal Salvation! ie:​
(1B) God Establishes His Eternal Relationship With those
who humbly repent And:​

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD Jesus Christ, His
Death { Precious BLOOD }, Burial, And His Resurrection, According To The
"GRACE { UNmerited Favor } Through faith" In The Merits Of His
Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:


All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God Graciously Bestowed
Upon all humble believers! { = Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin! }
Justification First, And Then:

(2) The believer Should do "good works" { Which will Never Equal
Christ's Total [ Infinite ] Payment For the above Penalty of sin! }...
...for Which we Are Created In Christ Jesus, to perform for Him, having
"been Called into fellowship With Him!" (1 Corinthians 1:9-10 AV)​
Amen?:​
We "work out our own salvation" { This Should Be​
a lifetime of Deliverance From the power of sin! }​
Sanctification:​
(2a) Fulfil All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love your neighbor
as yourself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 AV)
(2b) Study His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, to show
yourself Approved Unto God! (2 Timothy 2:15 AV)
(3) Eternal Results: reward { or loss } (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV),
ruling and reigning With Christ, Which Will Finally Be At
The { Bema Seat } Judgment Day:
Christ's Glorification of All "members" Of His Body!!
{ This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin! }
Amen?​
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Undiluted Wrath And Undiluted Grace

Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between God's Relationship For His Free Eternal Salvation,
And our fellowship with Him, working out our own salvation!
Correct?

Precious friend(s): Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In
God's Wonderful Relationship Of Everlasting Life With Him:


"By Grace Through Faith, In Christ, By The Scriptures, To The Glory Of God"
. . . . . . . . . . . . Alone!! . . . . . . . . . . . . .​
Yes, and the difference between God's grace and our fellowship can be described as the difference between saving faith that satisfies GRFS and the fruit/love of the Spirit. Some statements of GRFS (e.g. ACTS 16:31 & EPH 2:8-9) are in terms of believing right, and others (e.g. MT 7:21, “only he who does the will of my Father will enter heaven”, cf. GL 6:7-9 & EPH 2:10) are in terms of behaving right. John 6:29 says, “The work of God is to believe in the one [Messiah/Christ] He has sent.” GRFS is sometimes called the kerygma, meaning preaching of the Gospel, and secondary teachings may be referred to by another Greek word, didache, which means teaching. The didache may be very important and requisite for becoming spiritually mature, but it is not most important or necessary to know/believe in order to be saved.

The distinction between kerygma/saving faith and didache/working faith was made by Jesus when He commissioned His original twelve disciples minus Judas (MT 28:19-20). This “Great Commission” speaks of both types of information. The kerygma is indicated by verse 19, in which Jesus says, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations”, and the didache is implicit in verse 20, in which Jesus continues by saying “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” This speaks of the information a disciple needs to know and believe after conversion in order to grow in Christ-likeness regarding how to live the law of love. It is the “all truth” that is taught by the Spirit referred to in John 16:13.

The kerygma calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time, whereas the didache teaches God’s will regarding how those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” What I just realized when posting on another thread is that there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God's saving grace and faith that walks in faith while accepting God's working grace, but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes--and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the entire lifetime.
 

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Seriously? Try reading the Lords Prayer. "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors"
IF one sins (even Christians) and does not ask for forgiveness, they will answer for that sin. Jesus Himself told us to ask for forgiveness.


You OSAS guys are a real problem for new believers, non believers because of your flawed Theology. IMO: any you mislead with said Theology; you will answer for come the day you stand before the Lord and the Book of Life is opened and your acts, words are presented to you.

Matthew, Chapter 6:

2And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
 
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Brothers in the Lord, I am sorry, I can not well understand the knowledge you have written about faith! Because I am a Christian from China, my English is not good, so I can only use translation software, so I can not understand what you mean! But thank you for your sharing, may God commemorate your efforts and bless you! Thank and praise the Lord!
Are you able to translate what I'm writing to you now? If so, where are you currently reading in the Bible now?
 

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Are you able to translate what I'm writing to you now? If so, where are you currently reading in the Bible now?
I can translate your words now. The version of the Bible I am reading now isChina's version of the Bible.stand in
 
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I can translate your words now. The version of the Bible I am reading now isChina's version of the Bible.stand in
Hello, Hui1🤗 Very glad you responded and hope you are doing well😊 I've read about some of China's versions of the Bible. How some Scripture had been changed to show Jesus in a different way

I pray you have a version you can trust and depend on🙏 Curious if you could share what John 8:7-11 says in your Bible. I hope I'm not asking too much
 

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Hello, Hui1🤗 Very glad you responded and hope you are doing well😊 I've read about some of China's versions of the Bible. How some Scripture had been changed to show Jesus in a different way

I pray you have a version you can trust and depend on🙏 Curious if you could share what John 8:7-11 says in your Bible. I hope I'm not asking too much
Do you know Chinese? Can you read the Chinese version of the Bible?It's really great.Are you from China?forMore accurate, I use Chinese.Answer the contents of the Chinese version of the Gospel of John.I hope the translation can be accurate.约翰福音8章7-11节:7他们还是不住地问他,耶稣就直起腰来,对他们说:你们中间谁是没有罪的,谁就可以先拿石头打她。8于是又弯着腰用指头在地上画字。9他们听见这话,就从老到少一个一个地都出去了,只剩下耶稣一人,还有那妇人仍然站在当中。10耶稣就直起腰来,对她说:妇人,那些人在哪里呢?没有人定你的罪吗?11她说:主啊,没有。耶稣说:我也不定你的罪,去吧!从此不要再犯罪了。Praise the Lord.Praise the Lord Jesus!
 

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If you are also a Christian, I am very happy to know you.And I hope we canCan communicate about Jesus Christ.Knowledge of faith.
 

Hui1

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Hello, Hui1🤗 Very glad you responded and hope you are doing well😊 I've read about some of China's versions of the Bible. How some Scripture had been changed to show Jesus in a different way

I pray you have a version you can trust and depend on🙏 Curious if you could share what John 8:7-11 says in your Bible. I hope I'm not asking too much
Why do you want to share this passage? Is there any special meaning?🤔
 
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Do you know Chinese? Can you read the Chinese version of the Bible?It's really great.Are you from China?forMore accurate, I use Chinese.Answer the contents of the Chinese version of the Gospel of John.I hope the translation can be accurate.约翰福音8章7-11节:7他们还是不住地问他,耶稣就直起腰来,对他们说:你们中间谁是没有罪的,谁就可以先拿石头打她。8于是又弯着腰用指头在地上画字。9他们听见这话,就从老到少一个一个地都出去了,只剩下耶稣一人,还有那妇人仍然站在当中。10耶稣就直起腰来,对她说:妇人,那些人在哪里呢?没有人定你的罪吗?11她说:主啊,没有。耶稣说:我也不定你的罪,去吧!从此不要再犯罪了。Praise the Lord.Praise the Lord Jesus!
Hi, Hui🤗 I am born and raised in the United States. I have not learned Chinese but trying to use translator app to understand your beautiful writing. Unfortunately, it will not translate. So we'll try it this way...

John 8:10, 11 says [10 "And straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, [a]Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on do not sin any longer.”]

Is this what your Bible version says?
 

Hui1

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Hi, Hui🤗 I am born and raised in the United States. I have not learned Chinese but trying to use translator app to understand your beautiful writing. Unfortunately, it will not translate. So we'll try it this way...

John 8:10, 11 says [10 "And straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, [a]Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on do not sin any longer.”]

Is this what your Bible version says?
 

Hui1

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Basically, the correct translation may have a certain word.Not very accurate.
 

Hui1

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What are the Chinese characters for God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Bible and Gospel? Thanks.
What are the Chinese characters for God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Bible and Gospel? Thanks.
What are the Chinese characters for God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Bible and Gospel? Thanks.
神 耶稣 圣灵 圣经 和福音 I think it should be translated correctly.