Goodness of God?

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Mulehide

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Isn't it the goodness of God that draws us to repentance? If God is our Father and loving and welcoming, then why does it appear that when someone tries to come to Him or to serve Him with their life they meet with overwhelming obstacles and were better off without Him? I know this sounds jaded, and probably is, but i've never heard an answer to this either.
 
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Theresa of Avila asked the same thing of God right before she stepped out of a carriage into a mud puddle - God responded "that is how I treat my friends" - Theresa responded "no wonder you have so few of them"
 

pickles

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Isn't it the goodness of God that draws us to repentance? If God is our Father and loving and welcoming, then why does it appear that when someone tries to come to Him or to serve Him with their life they meet with overwhelming obstacles and were better off without Him? I know this sounds jaded, and probably is, but i've never heard an answer to this either.
Because dispite the diffculties that may come your way. In your difficuties you will learn the great love and streangth he gives you.
Also he will glorify himself in them.
All can be overcome in Jesus.
God bless, pickles
 

phil36

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Because dispite the diffculties that may come your way. In your difficuties you will learn the great love and streangth he gives you.
Also he will glorify himself in them.
All can be overcome in Jesus.
God bless, pickles
I agree pickles, its during these times you learn to lean on God for everything.


Phil
 
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socperkins

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I've always been told that if the Devil is trying to stop you then you must be doing something right. I blame the Devil.
 
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Lauren

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I agree pickles, its during these times you learn to lean on God for everything.
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I third that.

Right after I was saved, I had so much stuff happen to me and my family....death, disease, total lack of finances, a husband who lived to torment me (not on purpose...he just had some serious problems). And I got very angry at God for allowing so much to happen to me. I practically spit when people would say things like "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" or "God makes a window when he closes a door".

Fast forward 10+ years and I have found myself being drawn back to God's throne after being disobedient for most of that time because of my anger. And now, even more than when I was first saved, I have lost just about everything. This time I HAD to turn to Him because I had no place to run, no one to ask for help. Come to find out, that's what He had wanted to teach me all along - to come to Him first. To lean on Him, and take refuge in His promises.
 

phil36

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I third that.

Right after I was saved, I had so much stuff happen to me and my family....death, disease, total lack of finances, a husband who lived to torment me (not on purpose...he just had some serious problems). And I got very angry at God for allowing so much to happen to me. I practically spit when people would say things like "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" or "God makes a window when he closes a door".

Fast forward 10+ years and I have found myself being drawn back to God's throne after being disobedient for most of that time because of my anger. And now, even more than when I was first saved, I have lost just about everything. This time I HAD to turn to Him because I had no place to run, no one to ask for help. Come to find out, that's what He had wanted to teach me all along - to come to Him first. To lean on Him, and take refuge in His promises.

Wow, praise God. :)
 
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Isn't it the goodness of God that draws us to repentance? If God is our Father and loving and welcoming, then why does it appear that when someone tries to come to Him or to serve Him with their life they meet with overwhelming obstacles and were better off without Him? I know this sounds jaded, and probably is, but i've never heard an answer to this either.
The reason I repented was that life was very unpleasant, and the Lord led me to believe my life would improve if I repented of my sin. He was right. The change was indescribable.

Life isn’t easy for anybody, I don’t suppose. Even if you repent, you will have challenges.
 
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The Bible says that in the flesh dwells no good thing.The flesh is always selfish and arrogant which is our choice to do what we want because God gave us a choice but the living by the flesh meaning being without God will always be conradictory to God's ways
Paul said when he does good he still finds that evil is present which would mean he is still tempted to do wrong.So Paul said with the flesh he will serve sin but with the mind he will serve Christ.Not that Paul would sin but he realized that you cannot escape temptation so he would serve Christ and not let the temptations of the flesh bother him and hinder him from serving Christ.
Paul said we cannot escape the temptation of sin unless we leave this world.Even if a person is saved they still will have the temptation to sin although it will not be as bad a person of the world that is tempted to sin because God said He will not allow a Christian to be tempted above measure and will give an escape to that temptation.

The Bible says that the flesh and the Spirit war with each other for control of the person.The flesh will always rebel against God's ways wanting to have it's own ways.It depends on how much a person really want to live for God.If a person is only half concerned with living for God the flesh will be a harder hinderance to coming to God.

The flesh will always rebel against God's ways.

The Bible says that the natural man does not know the things of God and cannot understand the things of God because the flesh will fight against God's ways and everybody is a natural man before they come to God and must battle against the flesh rebelling against God to get to God.The flesh does not want to understand the things of God that is why the natural man does not understand the things of God.

So you see that people have a battle when they come to God some more than others as it depends on their level of wanting to be with God.People that are not really totally wanting to commit to God and repent of their sins but want to have some sort of fellowship with God their flesh will fight against God's ways hard.These type of people come to God because they want their life to be better but do not really want to commit to being good all the time like God wants so their flesh is a big hinderance to them.

Matt
 

VW

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peter wrote that we should not be amazed at the ordeal we suffer, because it proves our faith which is more precious than gold. faith that is always in comfortable settings is not strong faith. our father shows us just how much we need him. he will never try us more than we are able to bear, but he keeps trying us with more as we grow in him.
 
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They are neevr better off without him. But yes Christians come agasint many problems. When ther forst coming to God they probably have a bunch of problems already. God can help them with the problems. But usually what happens is they do the sinners prayer then wonder why instantly everyting didn't just turn OK. And thats not how it works. They have to surrender.
 
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Harley_Angel

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Through trials and tribulations we are tempered to be stronger, sharper, and better. How will you learn to be patient if you are never in a situation that requires it? How do you learn to put your faith in God if you are never in a situation that requires it? How do you learn to work hard if you are given everthing? Think about school. If you knew you were never going to be tested, would you even study? Probably not, and then you would have learned nothing. But since there were tests and assignments and expectations, you had to research, and read and study and write and then you did learn something. It's the same with God. I used to be so angry that everything didnt' go my way, and now every bad thing that happens to me I smile and have a good time trying to figure out what I can learn from it. God gave me so many trials, that now, I dont' stress because He got me out of EVERY SINGLE ONE unscathed and stronger.
 
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Mulehide

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There's many truths in what has been said. We do learn from trials. Our faith is made stronger. We do need to learn to lean on and trust God implicitly. However, if I were to place my trust in someone and be let down (seemingly though it may be) the last thing I would do is willingly put my full confidence in them. Rather I would take all they say and do with a grain of salt. Looking for easy-believism? No. But what about the God that promised things such as "My yoke is easy and My burden is light" and "God shall supply all your needs" and "if your earthly father knoweth to give good gifts, how much more so your Heavenly Father"?
 
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Harley_Angel

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I've never been let down by God. My expectations were not always met in the way I wanted them met, but I have always been taken care of. I prayed to God that my husband wouldn't be deployed. But God knew that I was strong enough to deal with it and that the extra money we make with him gone is helping us build a life. Instead, God made it so that my husband left a week late, on the exact same day I went to go visit my family for Thanksgiving. So, instead of being alone and depressed for a week, I got a 16 hour drive to keep my mind off of it and was surrounded by family. God knows how much we can handle, and as long as we allow ourselves to live inside His will, He will supply everything we need. His yoke is easy, and His burden is light. All we have to do to pay for the amazing gifts God blesses us with is LOVE HIM and LOVE EACH OTHER. That is His his yoke, that is His burden; Love.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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Honestly living in rebellion against God, no matter what trial I've been through, caused me more pain and suffering in the long run. I'd rather be happy mostly and fall into trials then be living a depressing Godless life trying to fill the empty hole with people and things.
 
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Lauren

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However, if I were to place my trust in someone and be let down (seemingly though it may be) the last thing I would do is willingly put my full confidence in them. Rather I would take all they say and do with a grain of salt.
Mulehide, I so, so much hear you. That is EXACTLY what I said after all that junk happened to me. Why would I turn to God and trust Him when he didn't help me through my trials? And so I pretty much ran from Him after that. Having finally come out the other side (10 years later), I can only submit these truths to you and maybe you can glean something from them:

1. I had an unreasonable expectation of how trials and tribulations work. I thought you hit a bump and then God just lifts you back up. At worst, I thought a trial would last a few months and then everything would just be worked out by God. Not true. Some trials last years, some last a decade, some last a lifetime.

2. If I had been given everything up front, I would have taken all His blessings, and been joyous for a while....and then slowly slipped away from Him. That's just our nature, to ebb and flow in our love for God while we're still in these earthly bodies. I could never have seen that or acknowledged that though when I was in the middle of my trials - I just kept thinking "if only God had done this or that"

3. I never would have learned these lessons on my own, and I especially would have never learned them if I hadn't gone through what I did.

4. It's hard to see the forest for the trees. My life seemed shambles, I gave up even trying to get close to God because I was so angry at Him. And you know what? He knew all of that was going to happen before it actually did.....and so He ended up using all of that to eventually bring me back to Him.

I just want to show you a little light at the end of the tunnel, if at all possible. You will eventually come out the other side of your tribulations and be able to see that God really was there, and all the time, He was using what was going on with you to change you. Maybe not to give you all that you want or to make life easier for you, but to change you. No matter how you react to all that is happening to you, He knows how to use it in the end. Disobedience prolongs the trials, but sometimes we know no other way to react to a situation.

Not many Christians have sunk as low as I did while I was disobedient and yet God brought me back around. And I guarantee you it wasn't because of anything that was in me that it was able to be done - it was all Him.

If you want to PM me at all to talk, feel free to. I pray just for a peace of mind for you.

~ Lauren
 
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giantone

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God loves us just the way we are, He loves us too much to keep us that way.
 
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Ash_JFF

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Honestly living in rebellion against God, no matter what trial I've been through, caused me more pain and suffering in the long run. I'd rather be happy mostly and fall into trials then be living a depressing Godless life trying to fill the empty hole with people and things.
Totally agree
 
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machew

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Isn't it the goodness of God that draws us to repentance? If God is our Father and loving and welcoming, then why does it appear that when someone tries to come to Him or to serve Him with their life they meet with overwhelming obstacles and were better off without Him? I know this sounds jaded, and probably is, but i've never heard an answer to this either.

When you actually realize who God is and really know (more than head knowledge) how He feels about you and who you are in His Kingdom, all of the circumstances and trials become worth it and you are actually able to joyfully go through trials. I am not saying that the trials won't be hard, but trials are no longer a dread but seem more like an invitation into greater intimacy with God and greater revelation of who you are in God. There are many times now when I am in a trial where I am overjoyed about what God is reshaping in my life and where He is taking me.


Blessings,

Machew
 
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Mulehide

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When you actually realize who God is and really know (more than head knowledge) how He feels about you and who you are in His Kingdom
18 inches between heaven and hell...18 inches between your head and your heart. What was it the rich young ruler said "all this have I done from my youth up". And still something missing. I see the proof of what you have said in other people's lives. I know it exists...just not for me. At least not that i've been able to get. But, I'm glad it works for you.