Hatred for Sin as a Mark of Geuine Conversion

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Why is it that so few "Christians" today show any real sign of a hatred and conviction of sin in their lives? Is repentance and hatred for sin necessary unto ones own salvation in light of the following?
" For the director of music. Of David the servant of the Lord. An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin." Give your thoughts on this guys and gals.
 
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I think if it is a genuine convert you will hate sin in general and sin in your own life. You will want to be perfect because God is perfect - you won't be happy with mediocraty. But, this does not happen overnight, so I would not claim that a new convert is not a true believer if they don't show real hatred and conviction of sin in their lives - especially true of people who have no religious background. But over time as fruit of the Spirit grows , one of which is goodness, then the badness will gradually fade away as well.
 
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I will say however that a person cant truly repent or believe without first being convicted of sin by the Spirit and hating and forsaking that sin. You will notice that all of this takes place inside the heart of the new convert. So it is not somethin we always see with our eyes.
 
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I know, personally, I do loathe my sins, especially when I drop the ball and do them again. However, I want my faith to be defined what I stand for, not what I'm against.

Furthermore, fire-and-brimstone preaching kept me away from Jesus for years. It wasn't until I learned of Jesus from the Gospels, as opposed to from Bible-bashing preachers, that I became interested in Him, and, subsequently, Christianity.

Another example would be one of my best friends/former roomie. He was religiously apathetic; not opposed to Christianity, but not a Christian. His father, however, converted and became a bit overzealous. My friend went from apathetic to antagonistic because of the way he saw Christians behaving. I'm still doing damage control from it. This isn't to disparage his father, because he meant well, and my friend acknowledges that. But sometimes our best intentions in the realm of evangelization can push people away.

In my opinion, a love of Jesus comes first, and then a Christian moral outlook comes second. To do it the other way around is to alienate people.

Again, this is purely conjecture based on my own experiences and those that others have shared with me. But that's how I see it.
 
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Yeah I agree people shouldn't over emphasize any given aspect of Biblical truth at the expense of another, as in the case of some hellfire and brimstone preachers. But keep in mind I am referring to a text in scripture that talks about the wicked. And we must never forget the Words of Christ in Luke 13:3 that Unless you repent you will perish. As born again children of God we hate what God hates and Love what he loves; Namely we hate sin and injustice in our lives and in the lives of others. And we love truth (all biblical truth including the doctrine of hell, as well as grace), righteousness, and God's Glory. We love Christ and others. Just bear in mind that my forum thread is only focusing on one aspect of biblical truth, namely A true Believer hates his or her sin and lives a repentant life style. If one is not doing so their profession is mere words. God bless you and may you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Why is it that so few "Christians" today show any real sign of a hatred and conviction of sin in their lives? Is repentance and hatred for sin necessary unto ones own salvation in light of the following?
" For the director of music. Of David the servant of the Lord. An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin." Give your thoughts on this guys and gals.
We hate sin the same way God the Father did, by loving the world and laying His life down and taking the blame and guilt for all sin by imputing that sin to Himself through the cross. God hated sin by becoming sin and despising the shame that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. When a brother sins do we have the same love and lay our life down and reveal the love of God by showing them what Christ did to their sin on the cross? God commended His love toward us while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us / Rom 5:8. You want to hate sin, commend the love of God to the guilty, even if you are the guilty one.
 
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very true snail as has been proven in my own life
 

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I hate, loath and resent all my sins. I absouloutly hate the fact that I have sinned and will sin again.
I think condem the sin, not the sinner is what i do. Although like murderes i do hate the sin, i also think the murder deserves death lol.
also pritty much everything that Snail says.
 
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I hate, loath and resent all my sins. I absouloutly hate the fact that I have sinned and will sin again.
I think condem the sin, not the sinner is what i do. Although like murderes i do hate the sin, i also think the murder deserves death lol.
also pritty much everything that Snail says.
I concur with the first line. I totally hate the fact that i will sin again and can't do anything about it because it's the way we are. Darn flesh!
 

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but with that said - it gives me joy to know that God will and already has forgiven me for my sins. The fact that he loves me and his love is unfailing just nrings a smile to my face :)
 
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You see, that's just the thing that makes a genuine Born Again Christian different from a false hypocritical believer. Whether or not they hate and struggle against sin. And when they struggle, is sin a burden and constant sorrow to them? Now I understand what you mean by loving the sinner and hating the sin but lets never forget how God and a sound Christian feels about the wicked when they live corrupt lives: The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong. I hate those who cling to worthless idols; I trust in the Lord. I hate double-minded men, but I love your law. Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord, and abhor those who rise up against you? a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
 
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Why is it that so few "Christians" today show any real sign of a hatred and conviction of sin in their lives? Is repentance and hatred for sin necessary unto ones own salvation in light of the following?
" For the director of music. Of David the servant of the Lord. An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin." Give your thoughts on this guys and gals.
I would agree with you to a certain extent. Still, I think it can be a bit confusing figuring out exactly what sin is.

Also, a church might want to see its sinner repent. Therefore, instead of humiliating all of its sinners—and we are all sinners—and driving them out of the church, the church might take a more tactful approach, hoping the sinners will see the error of their ways and repent.
 

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to the guy from post 11 - (i cant rember such long names lol)

-can u tell me where about in the bible it says that?! I would like to read that and be able to reflect on that.

anyway though - good post :D
 
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You see, that's just the thing that makes a genuine Born Again Christian different from a false hypocritical believer. Whether or not they hate and struggle against sin. And when they struggle, is sin a burden and constant sorrow to them? Now I understand what you mean by loving the sinner and hating the sin but lets never forget how God and a sound Christian feels about the wicked when they live corrupt lives: The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong. I hate those who cling to worthless idols; I trust in the Lord. I hate double-minded men, but I love your law. Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord, and abhor those who rise up against you? a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.
 
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Just to be double sure those verse references are primarily for Kathleen. However i do encourage all of you guys to check them out.
 

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thanks for that :) think they will come in usefull! :D
 
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What "IS" sin? I understand a Scriptural definition of sin, however what defines something one may do that is sin? When does doing something become sin? If a believer does something defined by the law as sin, is it in fact a sin or something that may be unprofitable, yet now defined as lawful?

1 COR 6:12.."All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." (NKJV)

1 COR 10:23.."All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify." (NKJV)

and Romans 14:23 says, "But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin."

So we see Paul saying all things are lawful. Obviously if Paul was still under the law, he could not have made this statement. He also says whatever is not from faith is sin. Should we continue to be sin focused and sin conscious? Romans 14:4 tells us that it is God who is able to make us stand, not us..."Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand."

Hebrews 10:1-3.." For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year."

This passage appears to be saying that had the sacrifices offered under the law truly cleansed and made them pure, they would have ceased to be offered and that they would no longer even have consciousness of their sins. But they still had a reminder year after year. We have now had the perfect sacrifice and have been made pure through Jesus Christ and His blood shed. The ultimate and final sacrifice. Why do we continue in reminder of sins? Why do we still have consciousness of sins? Scripture also states later in same chapter, verses 17-18.." then He adds, "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin"

Are sins today so much what we do as much as who we are? We read lists of sins, liars, fornicators, murderers, drunkards, etc which prevent those from entering the Kingdom, however are these things we do? Or are these referring to a specific people?

1 John 3:15,,"Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."

1 John 2:22.."Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son."

Could it be that the lists of "sins" is not a list of what not to do but a description of "WHO", not "what"? A list showing who will not enter, not if one of His own should fall and do one of these that this one shall not enter? I do not believe a true child of God desires to "do" any of these, but is this truly the issue and even the context of said passages?

Just a thought and encouragement for all of us to search to see if such things are so.

In Christ, Your brother David John (NewJerusalem)
 
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Its not as difficult as you make it seem Dave, sin, simply put is trangression of the MORAL law. Have you ever told a lie? That makes one a liar. Have you kept the Sabbath perfectly Holy withouy fail? That makes one profane. Have you put God first before all things at all times perfectly? Then that is idolatry. Have you ever taken the name of Yahweh or God or Christ in vain? That is called blasphemy. Have you ever had hatred in your heart or been angry with anyone? Well that is seen by God as murder. Have you ever lusted in your heart after another person? Jesus said that is adultery. Have you perfectly obeyed and honered your parents? Well that is rebellion, and the Word says rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. What about coveting? Have you ever desired somthing that you can't financially afford or that belongs to somone else? You get the picture now. See Dave these things are what God wants us to hate in our lives as Christians and to mortify, so we can Grow in Grace. GBU
 
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