He became sin for us...

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pickles

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Scripture says that if we desire to Know Him,(Jesus) we must walk as he walked, that we must live according to the scriptures.
Lately, the message of the cross has been set before me a lot.:)
God is good this way. :)

We know scripture says that Jesus suffered for our sins, but it also says that Jesus became sin for us.
So, I have a simple question, mostly because I am looking for comfermation of an understanding set before me in Jesus.
So, for those who understand the difference between suffering for our sins, and becoming sin for us, please share the understanding you have.
Ill speak about the understanding Ive recieved later, just wanting to be sure in Jesus.:)
For this is important to me right now.

Thankyou all so much.
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
 

pickles

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Sorry it took so long to get back to this, life has just been full lately, so many things happening and needed. Thankfully have the time and energy again to see all of you again, thankyou Jesus!
Anyway, I want and hoped to bring a conversation on this, as it is still been set before me.
The part I am speaking to is how Jesus became sin for us, and how this applies to us.
Not just because Jesus suffered for us, but how this was Jesus gaining victory over sin and death for us.
How this, when we walk as Jesus walked, as we are called to do in scripture, gives us the same victory in Jesus.
So many times when we suffer the offence of sin by another, we can struggle to heal, forgive, simply because of the injuries caused by the offence, sin.
And yet, in reading about how Jesus became sin for us in scripture, Im seeing how we in Jesus, we can do the same.
I wish I could explain better, I still struggle to find the right words yet.
But it is as though a curtain is being moved aside, and the clearness of this is being revealed.
Im wondering about how by simply no longer letting sin effect one, comes by in Jesus, becoming sin for us, is the key.
Anyway, any help here would be greatly appreciated. :)

Have you aver felt so close to an understanding, that it surrounds you, fills you in Jesus,yet when ever you try to put it to words, it seems to diminish it?

in Jesus, God bless
pickles
 

pickles

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While pondering this post, I began to consider today's events again, I spoke to it in prayer requests.
A neighbor of mine was in great need, this neighbor has always been, well we will say not an easy person to have as a neighbor.
He has in the past commited many painful offences, sins against my family and I.
But today, when he was in great need of help, and I and my other neighbor answered, as I sat beside him waiting for the medics to arrive?
All the offences, sins of the past were forgotten, they did not even come to mind.
All that mattered was helping him, comforting him, and getting him the help he needed.
I realized this was because when sitting beside him, the worldly things fell away, all was just flesh and no longer mattered.
All that mattered was that he was in need of help, and my heart was moved to do this.
All I knew was compassion, mercy, concern, the love of Jesus, and to provide what he needed to live.

Maby that is what becoming sin is all about, simply letting the offence, sin that touches one, be forgiven, thus, there is no offence, simply because, it is simply all flesh.

Just a thought...


God bless
pickles
 
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oldthennew

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Pickles,

you HAVE been MISSED....
it's so good to see you again...

your experience with your neighbor and the medics was a good lesson in 'forgiveness' for us all..

we read some of the before and after the scriptures that you originally posted, - in the Corinth Church,
there was a man cast-out for improper sexual behavior, and the congregation is getting just a little
bit to zealous about the discipline-side of things, 'that's how Elijah was, he was wanting to put
the hammer down, - in the Corinth Congregation, Paul was saying, enough is enough, now it is time
to 'forgive and comfort'..
11Cor.2:8-9.
Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him.
For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things.

it is obvious that our Father was 'putting you to the test', and you did well....

in the chapter that you were speaking of, the Judgment Seat of Christ is mentioned, and then,
being 'reconciled to God', because sin always separates us from the presence of God, Is.59:2.

like you said,
the more we follow Christ our Saviour, and walk in His steps, the closer we are to Him...
this is such a 'more pleasant state' to be in, for Him working with us, because, when He is working
'against you', to 'bring us back', this is NOT so pleasant.
11Cor.6:12.
You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affection..

thank you for including us in your personal Spiritual Growth, it is like being invited to a great Feast.
:):)
 
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Paul is simply personifying sin in referencing the sin offering of Jesus.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

A parallel verse to that is this...

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


Sin is a moral issue as opposed to something physically tangible. One cannot be "made sin" in a literal sense, nor can "flesh" be described as "sinful." Paul is given emphasis with his use of language. Jesus would do the same thing and a good example was when Jesus told people that they had to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Take a look at 2Cor 5:21 carefully, especially in the context of the surrounding verses.

2Co 5:13 For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
2Co 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
2Co 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
2Co 6:11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.

In the above passage Paul is presenting the "Ministry of Reconciliation" and one of the key verses is...

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

...which is a parallel too..

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

...which is a parallel too...

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

...which is a parallel too...

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

"Jesus being made sin for us" is simply Paul expressing that Jesus offered himself on our behalf for the express purpose that "we be made the righteousness of God in Him" and this occurs via...

2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

When any individual truly repents (dies to sin in tbe baptism of repentance) and is raised up to new life in order to walk in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ, that individual is made the righteousness of God in Christ. The righteousness of the law is fullfilled in us through the dynamic of grace through faith (ie. abiding/walking/existing in accordance with the divine influence of God upon our hearts.

The law was merely a shadow of love and the focus of the New Testament is exclusively on the SOURCE not the shadow, hence those whom walk after the Spirit are not under the law.



Many false teachers today pervert 2Cor 5:21 by isolating it from its context (especially via hiding 2Cor 6:1) and present it as a statement representing a POSITIONAL LEGAL TRANSACTION which has NOTHING TO DO WITH A LITERAL INNER TRANSFORMATION.

Thus a perverted gospel message of mere "trust in a provision" is promoted which is completely absent of the actual WORKING DYNAMIC which brings an authentic regeneration to the Christian. Thus an unregenerate individual is able to claim that they are "made the righteousness of God in Him" whilst they are still in the service of sin (still in rebellion to God/still engaging in known evil).
 
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oldthennew

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Skinski,

it's been awhile since we have seen you also,,,,good to see you, and we appreciate your
expounding on the scriptures you posted...

grace and peace, may you, along with Pickles, be strengthened in faith and love -
in Jesus Christ our Lord.
 

crossnote

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Scripture says that if we desire to Know Him,(Jesus) we must walk as he walked, that we must live according to the scriptures.
Lately, the message of the cross has been set before me a lot.:)
God is good this way. :)

We know scripture says that Jesus suffered for our sins, but it also says that Jesus became sin for us.
So, I have a simple question, mostly because I am looking for comfermation of an understanding set before me in Jesus.
So, for those who understand the difference between suffering for our sins, and becoming sin for us, please share the understanding you have.
Ill speak about the understanding Ive recieved later, just wanting to be sure in Jesus.:)
For this is important to me right now.

Thankyou all so much.
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
Never saw this thread til now.
Jesus who had no sin became sin for us...Our sin was laid upon Him and He was punished as our substitute.
The Righteous One for the unrighteous ones.