He became sin...???

shotgunner · Oct 23, 2015

The word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. I do not believe that flesh contained sin, nor did it need to contain sin to be tempted. Temptation is not sin, only acting on temptation is sin.

Even though we are made in God's image it is clear to me that flesh and blood can be tempted. Adam and Eve were tempted and succumbed to the temptation. Adam was formed from the dust and Eve was formed from Adam. Perhaps Jesus who was formed by God's word made flesh had an ability not to succumb to temptation that was not contained in flesh formed from dust. I see this as evident since Jesus is both God and man at the same time.

I think the disagreement stems from our inability to completely understand how Jesus can be all God and all man at the same time. We want to either contribute the characteristics of God on one side of the argument or the characteristics of man on the other, not fully understanding that Jesus embodied both simultaneously.

KJV1611 · Oct 23, 2015

ukok102nak said:

:smoke: thank you very much :smoke:
my brother for sharing your part in what is written from the scriptures

we would like to share this this verse
that indicates how each individual people which are humans (sounds funny isn't it)
has a Different finger print
Job: 37. 7. He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.

God bless us always

I like it man.... that's good stuff.

alienfreelancer · Oct 23, 2015

Mitspa said:

Do I know the bible, no one knows the bible better than me.

It's just you I don't understand.

Mitspa · Oct 23, 2015

alienfreelancer said:

No one? lol wow... what issue do you have ? maybe I can see how well you know the bible?

Mitspa · Oct 23, 2015

KJV1611 said:

No... that's error at the least and heresy if not repented of...Jesus did not have sin in the flesh as you do or as I do.

Yosef2 · Oct 23, 2015

Romans 6New International Version (NIV)[h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ[/h]6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[SUP][a][/SUP] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— [SUP]7 [/SUP]because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
[h=3]Slaves to Righteousness[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! [SUP]16 [/SUP]Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? [SUP]17 [/SUP]But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. [SUP]18 [/SUP]You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. [SUP]20 [/SUP]When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. [SUP]21 [/SUP]What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! [SUP]22 [/SUP]But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[SUP][b][/SUP] Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yosef2 · Oct 23, 2015

Strong's Concordance

hamartia: a sin, failure

Original Word: ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
Short Definition: a sin
Definition: prop: missing the mark; hence: (a) guilt, sin, (b) a fault, failure (in an ethical sense), sinful deed.HELPS Word-studies
266 hamartía (a feminine noun derived from 1 /A "not" and 3313 /méros, "a part, share of") – properly, no-share ("no part of"); loss (forfeiture) because not hitting the target; sin (missing the mark).
266 /hamartía ("sin, forfeiture because missing the mark") is the brand of sin that emphasizes its self-originated (self-empowered) nature – i.e. it is not originated or empowered by God (i.e. not of faith, His inworked persuasion, cf. Ro 14:23).

KJV1611 · Oct 23, 2015

Mitspa said:

I didn't say he had sin in his body lol. I said he had the exact same flesh that I have... one that desires sin. To say otherwise is to say that Jesus was not 100% human.

Mitspa · Oct 23, 2015

KJV1611 said:

Well do you have sin in the flesh, as Paul describes in Rom 7..? JESUS did NOT have sin in the flesh as you and I do...that is just error to say or believe.

Was Adam before the fall 100% human? Of course he was ...he did not have sin in the flesh, that came at the fall...you can be 100% human and not have the perversion of sin that came at the fall.

Mitspa · Oct 23, 2015

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Heb 4:15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin;

willfollowsGod · Oct 24, 2015

Mitspa, let me try to help you understand this person. There are two ways flesh can be used. It can either refer to a body (i.e. I am made of flesh and bone) or flesh (the sinful nature that all humans except Jesus are born in). Maybe that will help to understand the other side. Love you, brother in Christ. God bless.

Mitspa · Oct 24, 2015

willfollowsGod said:

Brother im not confused about how the term is used... I have corrected others on this thread about the term. I have used the term "sin in the flesh" very carefully to make my points about the "flesh" of Christ and our flesh that has indwelling sin.. Christ had no indwelling sin in His flesh as we do.

ukok102nak · Oct 24, 2015

KJV1611 said:

indeed
And the good news about it is
Science proved it to be more realistic than to anything
Can be found in the human flesh . ...

in fact every written symbol in accordance to human body or even in this World is written in the holy scripture :happy:
Job: 26. 7. He stretcheth out the north over empty space, he hangeth the earth upon nothing;
*IMAGINED WHEN Galileo felt empowered to begin work on his Dialogues concerning the Two Great World Systems. It was published with an imprimatur from Florence (and not Rome) in 1632. Shortly afterwards the Inquisition banned its sale, and Galileo was ordered to Rome for trial. In 1633 he was condemned. There is more about these events and their implications in the final section of this article,Galileo and the Church.

God bless us always

:smoke: thank you very much :happy:

Roberth · Oct 24, 2015

For he (God the Father) hath made him (God the Son) to be sin (as the son of man) for us, who (as God the Son) knew no sin; that we (believers) might be made the righteousness of God in him (i.e., in Christ).

1 Pe 2:22 "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth"

Right, Christ never sinned, not even by a thought, but He was tempted by our nature.

1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin (i.e., He never sinned) Heb 4:15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin; (that is apart from transgression or sin)

None of these texts deny that Christ took upon His Divinity our fallen humanity indwelt with our bent (iniquity). Otherwise Christ could not have been tempted. Temptation is a response from in our humanity towards sin (the love of self). No "bent-to-self" no temptation. It's just that easy.

Roberth · Oct 24, 2015

Mitspa said:

You haven't corrected anyone, maybe in your own mind?

Tell me, which of the following died with Christ? 1 or 2?

First, Rom 6:6

"Our old self (the life we share with Adam) was (past tense) crucified with Him (Christ as the son of man), in order that our body of sin might be done away with...."

1] Your old life with its "body of sin" (a body indwelt with our bent towards selfishness)

or

2] A body without indwelling sin, like Adam before the fall?

Answer: # 1 "Our body of sin" died "in Christ" and therefore this is absolute proof that Christ, as God, assumed our fallen life from Adam!

End of discussion!

Roberth · Oct 24, 2015

Mitspa said:

Verse?

The Holy Spirit doesn't have sperm. The Holy Spirit is "Spirit", not human who can procreate.

The Holy Spirit's job was to control the mind of the Son of Man so that He wouldn't succomb to our fallen desires.

God the Father put us (our humanity into Christ). You need to dust your Bible off, again!

Proof: 1 Cor 1:20 "by His doing (God the Father's doing) you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, ]and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption"

God put your old life into Christ about 2000 years ago. He did this by uniting our fallen life from Adam with Christ's divine life. Hence Christ became the son of man, the last Adam (or the 2nd Adam). Where Adam fell, Christ was victor. And then Christ as the son of man took the curse of the law because the humanity He linked Himself to was a condemned life (not a guilty one). We are only guilty if we sin and Christ never sinned.

Mitspa · Oct 24, 2015

Roberth said:

Look ..Christ did not have sin in the flesh... now you can try to sugar coat it if you want but that's what your trying to claim.

Funny how you have to add to Gods Word to promote your lie.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Heb 4:15 for we have not a chief priest unable to sympathise with our weaknesses, but one tempted in all things in like manner--apart from sin;

Mitspa · Oct 24, 2015

Roberth said:

Call it what you want ..cleary the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary

Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest
shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Lu 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Roberth · Oct 24, 2015

Roberth said:

"you also died to the law in the body of Christ" (Rom 7:4)

Who is the "you"?

Well, from where did you receive your life?

Answer: Ultimately, Adam! How so? All of us come from "one man!

Acts 17:26 "He (God, the creator) made from one (Adam) the whole human race" NABRE

So all of us share Adam's life. This life belongs to you and that life died in Christ.

What type of life did you receive from Adam? A fallen life, indwelt by iniquity (i.e, the sin nature).

That life died in Christ.

Now, who is the troll? Who is here to turn us from the gospel of Christ to "another gospel". You!

valiant · Oct 24, 2015

Mitspa said:

Jesus did not 'become sin' in any literal sense. He could not do so for He is wholly pure. He 'became sin' forensically in that our sin was accounted to Him. He was treated in all ways as a sinner. just as His righteousness is accounted to us and we are treated in all ways as righteous..

He became sin...???

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