"head honcho"

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

memyselfi

Junior Member
Jan 12, 2017
503
260
63
#1
Is one "head honcho" over the other... G-d the Father, Y-shua, Jesus... if G-d said and Y-shua said is it equal?

For fun.... Did Y-shua ever cancel Himself out?
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
9,421
3,106
113
#2
Is one "head honcho" over the other... G-d the Father, Y-shua, Jesus... if G-d said and Y-shua said is it equal?

For fun.... Did Y-shua ever cancel Himself out?
You sound like a troll. Perhaps you should cancel out this thread.
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
68,617
6,835
113
#3
Is one "head honcho" over the other... G-d the Father, Y-shua, Jesus... if G-d said and Y-shua said is it equal?

For fun.... Did Y-shua ever cancel Himself out?
There is only ONE "head honcho", as you put it.. God and Jesus are one..
 
Sep 20, 2018
89
33
18
#4
if G-d said and Y-shua said is it equal?

For fun.... Did Y-shua ever cancel Himself out?
Is it actually possible to say He did?

Though He humbled himself and became a man, did that humbling subtract from His equality with God at the very lowest point of the cross? The blamelessness went all the way, question is how far did the humbling go?
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
1,725
501
113
#5
Is one "head honcho" over the other... G-d the Father, Y-shua, Jesus... if G-d said and Y-shua said is it equal?

For fun.... Did Y-shua ever cancel Himself out?
No. God the Father is the top. God gave His Son. When His Son was crucified it was God who raised Him from the grave, Christ did not raise Himself. It is the Father who gave the Son power. When the Son taught us to pray, it was to the Father: "Our Father who is in heaven". It is the Son who intercedes for us with the Father.

The Holy Spirit is our teacher, and the Holy Spirit teaches us the ways of the Father.

The first 5 books of scripture tells us of the principles and ways of the Father who is the creator. All that follow explains and results from those principles. The scripture we have in the NT that is about how Christ affects us is almost one third quotes of the OT. Christ builds completes the work of creation, allowing us to live on beyond the sin of this world.
 

bluto

Senior Member
Aug 4, 2016
1,509
243
63
#6
No. God the Father is the top. God gave His Son. When His Son was crucified it was God who raised Him from the grave, Christ did not raise Himself. It is the Father who gave the Son power. When the Son taught us to pray, it was to the Father: "Our Father who is in heaven". It is the Son who intercedes for us with the Father.

The Holy Spirit is our teacher, and the Holy Spirit teaches us the ways of the Father.

The first 5 books of scripture tells us of the principles and ways of the Father who is the creator. All that follow explains and results from those principles. The scripture we have in the NT that is about how Christ affects us is almost one third quotes of the OT. Christ builds completes the work of creation, allowing us to live on beyond the sin of this world.
Umn no blik, Jesus raised Himself and so did the Father and the Holy Spirit. John 2:19, "Destroy this temple and in three days I WILL RASIE IT UP." At vs21 it says, "But He was speaking of the temple of His body." Secondly, on this same note the Spirit also rasied Jesus, read Romans 8:11.

The other thing I would take issue with is Jesus Christ is the creator (because He is God), not some helper as you implying. John 1:3, "All things came into being by Him, and apart (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being. Also Colossians 1:16, "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authortites--all things have been created by Him and for Him." Also please read Hebrews 1:10 and Revelation 3:14.

And yes, the Son did teach us to pray because He was functioning as a 100% contingent human being to His Father as an example of how we are to depend on God in everything. Your also right that Jesus Christ is our mediator to the Father. Finally, you said this: "Christ builds completes the work of creation, allowing us to live on beyond the sin of this world." I suspect you are referring to 2 Corinthians 5:17 where He along with the Father and the Holy Spirit help us live a godly life. Hope this helps. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

FlyingDove

Senior Member
Dec 27, 2017
669
205
43
#7
[QUOTE="The first 5 books of scripture tells us of the principles and ways of the Father who is the creator.[/QUOTE]

If the Father is the creator. Please explain these verses:

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Hebrews 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
 
Sep 20, 2018
89
33
18
#8
The first 5 books of scripture tells us of the principles and ways of the Father who is the creator.
Also, Jesus is one with the Father from the beginning, ,

"For the LORD your God is, , the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty,
and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.”

“These will wage war against the Lamb, , because He is Lord of lords”


Deuteronomy 10:17, Revelation 17:14
 

garee

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2016
11,508
1,004
113
#9
Is it actually possible to say He did?

Though He humbled himself and became a man, did that humbling subtract from His equality with God at the very lowest point of the cross? The blamelessness went all the way, question is how far did the humbling go?
I would say because the Father was in a greater position than the Son but not a greater person because God is one . The work of humbling was a mutual work of submission, two working together in perfect harmony.
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
1,725
501
113
#10
All the posts that respond to mind are so very good that I am going back to scripture to find truth.

In the gospel of John we learn that Christ was from the beginning. When people know God only as He is manifested in Christ they have created a man made God.

But all you who post after my post are correct. Scripture speaks of our one God.