Healing through the Son

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BenFTW

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My son has colitis and his present diet absolutely saved him from terrible pain and suffering.

Clinical studies typically surround medications and treatments.

He went back to medical literature prior to the advent of huge pharmacology and looked at research that was based on looking at the cause of the disease at the macro nutrient level and gut flora.

That information made all the difference. And I know God led us there. Amen!!
Thats what we see, suppressing the symptoms instead of addressing the causal factor of the issue. Its like someone keeps hammering their finger and so they keep taking pain medication. You wouldn't need the meds if you got rid of the hammer or stopped hitting your finger. Instead because it is a business, their business model is not set to cure (the issue) but treat the symptoms. Hence, supply and demand, by only treating symptoms instead of curing diseases, there will always be a demand and they can fulfill it with their supply.
 

Didymous

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Hence the name depleted?

Sorry Lynn, but your posts are very critical.
What you said may be true, but what do you have to say about the OP? Do you agree with your friend Joanie, or not?
 

BenFTW

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Our body types are all different. You may need to eat differently than me. But if you feel good about what you are eating, it would be wrong for me to say otherwise,

When my my oldest son was a toddler, till School age, I fed him well balanced vegetarian meals. I balanced amino acids, very healthy, organic foods. I would visit my parents and they would feed him meat. Lots of meat. He would eat it like he was starving. So, I continued to eat vegetarian, but made meat meals for him and my husband. My son grew up to be healthy,hardly ever sick. He was an ectomorph, I am a mesomorph. My husband is like me, after he got diabetes, I went back to a mostly meat free diet for him. He still grills the occasional steak, once or twice a year, but he has stayed stable for 10 years.

Really no one should be telling someone else how to eat. That should be between us and our doctor.I have not seen you offer advice about eating, Joanie. But Ben has gone overboard in his lecturing everyone about what to eat. And that is not just me. If there is a target on Ben’s back, he certainly drew it with his ignorant comments!

Plus, I looked at his diet, clearly told him I eat that diet already, and it has not cleared up my RA inflammation. But he continued to lecture me that if I didn’t want to do it, then I wouldn’t be healed like the rest of the people who tried that diet. No, it does not heal my RA.

There are over 100 different kinds of Arthritis and countless other kinds of autoimmune diseases. I have a certain variety of RA, that I have only met one other person that had the same symptoms. She is a Jewish lady that lives in Chicago. There are also different causes for inflammation, even in the same person. When I started getting tendon flares 3 years ago, for the first time ever, I assumed it was RA, although none of the RA meds helped. Not even prednisone! I have so many new hand deformities, and I can barely walk from a tendon flare which damaged my knee. When I stopped eating gluten in January, it was the first time the tendon flares were gone, plus my stomach was not hurting. So that will take a while to get back into, getting the gluten out of my body. But, I’m not expecting up touch my RA, which is a different kind of inflammation.

Right now my liver is stressed, I am off 2 major meds, starting to to feel RA flares, in the joints. Seeing the doctor right away, he is going to flush one drug out of my body. Please pray to improve this situation which would be greatly appreciated.

PS. Even in double blind studies in research not everyone responds the same to different meds, or other meds. And Placebo Effect is so high, that in the original studies fot Remicade, and the end of the year trial 52% of the people who got the Placebo felt significantly better. The catch? Their hands were xrayed at the beginning of the clinical trial and at the end. The people in the Placebo group showed serious joint erosion.yet these people thought they were better. It had to go to the Ethics panel, and it was judged wrong to allow to have these people think they were improving when they weee getting worse.

Ben doesn’t begin to understand blind clinical studies. It could be done for a diet. Instead, this doctor just trots all the brainwashed “proof” that his diet works, when a good portion is likely Placebo Effect. Yet Ben continues to throw out this folksy and unscientific open non experiment, and say that he knows better than I do how to treat my disease.And you defend him.

When someone says, “We need to eat a healthy, balanced diet I agree totally. It when he tells me to read and start a experimentally unproved diet, which I am already eating, that is giving medical advice. He knows my condition, he tells me pointedly what to do, then is taken aback when I refuse to do quack nostrums, because I have experimented with every diet, and they do not stop RA, although gluten inflammation is certainly reduced! (For me, not saying for anyone else!)

You speak from a place of ignorance, so I forgive you. I don't wish to begin to articulate why some of you oppose me, my posts, and the truth because it is all a defense mechanism. I'm sorry you're going through such things as you are, and may God reveal the truth (all of it) to you.

God bless.
 

UnderGrace

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This is the absolute truth, and honestly I had no idea until my son became sick how true what you have written truly is, what an

eye opener to learn all about BIG Pharma.

Cures do not make money.



Thats what we see, suppressing the symptoms instead of addressing the causal factor of the issue. Its like someone keeps hammering their finger and so they keep taking pain medication. You wouldn't need the meds if you got rid of the hammer or stopped hitting your finger. Instead because it is a business, their business model is not set to cure (the issue) but treat the symptoms. Hence, supply and demand, by only treating symptoms instead of curing diseases, there will always be a demand and they can fulfill it with their supply.
 

joaniemarie

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I've noticed while going through this aging process that what older people said about their bodies is now what I am seeing too.
Not only that but also the weakness and inability to care for ourselves using the youth we were born with is no longer something that can be depended on like before. This reality also came crashing into my awareness while working in the Memory Care unit here in NY.



The ability to make money and save money for retirement-- not enough years to do that now. All these I've discovered are real issues but issues I could do nothing about from my own strength anymore. Family relationships having been all but ripped apart and gone, I found myself totally a lone without support on each and every level of life and sustanance from a human standpoint. (my dependance for years was always on self and people) What I feared most came upon me.



The Family/money/retirement/insurance/home/job issues came crashing down on me and I had to come to grips with them or die trying. Thankfully I was in process of learning how Jesus was going to take care of me in my individual and unique situation.


These same exact issues in life may never come to some Christians here who have not divorced and have not come from broken families., but they come to some of us and we have to find a way to survive. Just as your unique situations have helped to teach and define you., mine have helped to teach and define me. And thank God He gave us all the same answer IN Jesus.


What happens when we are not naturally smart? I read about UnderGrace and her son and her family the way they have the ability to study and do research. UnderGrace loves to research and study she seems to thrive on it. I read about Angela and her family interactions and the many others who usually post on cc. There is a small window into the lives of people here that they are not alone and they have gifts.


It took a long time for me to come to grips with my own life that turned out much differently than I had planned and invested in for many years. Just like a major sickness and loss I lost all hope and ability. But Jesus came into my situation and made a way of escape.


The reason I post about healing is because it's the same exact formula for how to be secure and confident here on earth and into eternity for everything else we need. All these needs are met and found in the atonement of Christ. Jesus is our righteousness., Jesus is our Healer., Jesus is our Wisdom., Jesus is our Strength., Jesus is our Sanctification., Jesus is our Health., Jesus is all things to us.



I've discovered that when I'm without strength I say "Jesus is my Strength" and He IS. This is by faith that ONLY He can meet this need. And this is not a "one time claim" This is a daily claim among other claims I make about Jesus.



This is not to say I've never been ripped off by people finanically or emotionally., but I know that Jesus is my Wisdom and I'll learn to be wise as I go through these issues in life that the world....the flesh....the devil bring to me. These tribulations and trials come daily and each day the formula for victory is the same... JESUS.



And He is faithful through the process. The Holy Spirit works inside to teach and guide into all truth. Will we have 100% truth today? No., But He gives what we need and we keep going back for more each day. In this way., we can DARE to step out in faith knowing we will not be devoured by the world...the flesh and the devil as we take HUGE chances stepping out in faith.



Although people may lie to us., or steal from us., Jesus gives us back much more than we lost because our dependance isn't on the money or the blessings but on the BLESS-OR.


I've discovered through this process of the Holy Spirit and faith that Jesus always makes a way of escape and always takes care of me. Each day comes in and brings trials and tribulations but Jesus delivers me from them all. Seriously.


So as each one of us goes through our own individual tribulations and trials coming from the world... the flesh....the devil., Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. In all areas ALL things pertaining to life and Godliness. He gives us. It's a promise we need to know and stand on and claim by faith. 2 Pet.1:3


[SUP]2 [/SUP]May grace (God’s favor) and peace (which is [SUP][a][/SUP]perfect well-being, all necessary good, all spiritual prosperity, and [SUP][b][/SUP]freedom from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts) be multiplied to you in [the full, personal, [SUP][c][/SUP]precise, and correct] knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
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3 [/SUP]For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [[SUP][d][/SUP]full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).
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4 [/SUP]By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature.
 
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stonesoffire

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What you said may be true, but what do you have to say about the OP? Do you agree with your friend Joanie, or not?
I don't watch videos Didymous. What exactly are you asking about? And Joanie is more than a friend, she's my sister in Jesus. Same as Lynn. Are you separating the body? What are we to you? Enemies because of disagreements?

What exactly is the gospel that unites us? Healing of the body? Spiritual healing?

Isnt the gospel that unites us centered wholly on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus?
 
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Didymous

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I don't watch videos Didymous. What exactly are you asking about? And Joanie is more than a friend, she's my sister in Jesus. Same as Lynn. Are you separating the body? What are we to you? Enemies because of disagreements?

What exactly is the gospel that unites us? Healing of the body? Spiritual healing?

Isnt the gospel that unites us centered wholly on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus?
If you watch the video, you'll know what I'm talking about. As to your adversarial and divisive questions, I find them rude and childish, so I won't answer them. I hope you find a better attitude.
 

AuntieAnt

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Matthew 17:19-21 - Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why couldn’t we cast him out? So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”

Luke 8:38, 39 - Now He arose from the synagogue and entered Simon’s house. But Simon’s wife’s mother was sick with a high fever, and they made request of Him concerning her. So He stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. And immediately she arose and served them.

Acts 5:12 - And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon’s Porch.

Acts 28:8 - And it happened that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and dysentery. Paul went in to him and prayed, and he laid his hands on him and healed him.

James 5:14, 15 - Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

Mark 5Jesus heals a lunatic man who did not even ask for healing. In fact, the man was possessed by demons and completely out of control.

Mark 6:3-5 - "Isn’t this the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And aren’t His sisters here with us?” So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them,
A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.”
And He couldn’t do many mighty works there, except He laid his hands on a few sick folk, and healed them.


In Bible accounts, every single person who came to Jesus was healed. In His own hometown, where people were offended at Him and didn’t have faith in Him, Jesus couldn’t do mighty (many) works. That did not stop the few who did come to Him, and Jesus healed them. All is took was coming to Jesus to be healed.

Now we who are Christ’s are given His authority to pray, fast, anoint with oil, and lay hands on the sick so they can be healed. It takes faith all around, not just for those coming and asking for prayer to be healed. The ones interceding for them ought also to have faith that the Lord has heard and will answer.

Nowhere in the Bible does it read that Jesus scolded sick folks for eating poorly, having the wrong lifestyle, or whether or not they chose to use a doctor’s assistance. None of those things factored in. All it took for sick folks was coming to Jesus or the disciples expecting help. The responsibility for healing was laid on those doing the fasting, praying, & laying hands on the sick people.

Now, I don’t proclaim faith healing. I only proclaim Jesus Christ. His will be done. Hallelujah! Our focus should always be exalting the Lord, nothing and nobody else. We should not be giving praise to a special diet, a particular strategy, a “miracle” herbal cure, our knowledge about health, etc. Jesus never advised people about those things. Our faith is always in Him alone, never our own understanding. We serve a miracle working God.

And I certainly don’t have wisdom and knowledge of myself to analyze why some are healed and some are not. But I do know for sure that Jesus is our Authority and He says pray for one another and that when one suffers, we all suffer. We ought to be in unity as a whole body in Christ, not separate bodies.

If God has given you the gift of faith for healing, and you believe with all your heart that He heals everyone, then by all means, fast, pray, and intercede for the sick folk on this site so they get healing. I’ll gladly devote a portion of every day to join you in prayer for them. Please pm me and let me know who we’re interceding for and I’ll believe with you. Hallelujah! May the Lord be glorified! Praise the name of Jesus.

Just whatever we do, let’s not criticize the sick and blame them for their maladies. That’s so cruel and distressful. If we do that to them, that’s how we’re treating Christ. We’re to love one another, to show mercy and kindness to one another, as unto Jesus Himself. I’m not directing this to anyone in particular, I’m actually including myself in this post. We’re all learning together because we’re one body in Christ. Amen?
 
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AuntieAnt

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[video=youtube;fzntMXAGTVA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzntMXAGTVA[/video]
 

UnderGrace

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When I have mistreated my body and fell sick and people told me about my unhealthy choices I actually accepted the blame and moved forward and changed and recovered , now this is one particular case, and I do not say this to be universally true, but sometimes blame when properly applied can be a powerful motivator it there is in fact something we are doing that is very clearly causing ill health.

Just because scripture does not make an explicit connection for us when Jesus healed it does not mean that there are not physical consequences, sometimes, not always, for our behaviours.

Do we need to blame people probably not the best way, but we can let them know and let them decide. It worked for my son and I praise God every day that I listened.




Matthew 17:19-21 - Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why couldn’t we cast him out? So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”

Luke 8:38, 39 - Now He arose from the synagogue and entered Simon’s house. But Simon’s wife’s mother was sick with a high fever, and they made request of Him concerning her. So He stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. And immediately she arose and served them.

Acts 5:12 - And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon’s Porch.

Acts 28:8 - And it happened that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and dysentery. Paul went in to him and prayed, and he laid his hands on him and healed him.

James 5:14, 15 - Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

Mark 5Jesus heals a lunatic man who did not even ask for healing. In fact, the man was possessed by demons and completely out of control.

Mark 6:3-5 - "Isn’t this the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And aren’t His sisters here with us?” So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them,
A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.”
And He couldn’t do many mighty works there, except He laid his hands on a few sick folk, and healed them.


In Bible accounts, every single person who came to Jesus was healed. In His own hometown, where people were offended at Him and didn’t have faith in Him, Jesus couldn’t do mighty (many) works. That did not stop the few who did come to Him, and Jesus healed them. All is took was coming to Jesus to be healed.

Now we who are Christ’s are given His authority to pray, fast, anoint with oil, and lay hands on the sick so they can be healed. It takes faith all around, not just for those coming and asking for prayer to be healed. The ones interceding for them ought also to have faith that the Lord has heard and will answer.

Nowhere in the Bible does it read that Jesus scolded sick folks for eating poorly, having the wrong lifestyle, or whether or not they chose to use a doctor’s assistance. None of those things factored in. All it took for sick folks was coming to Jesus or the disciples expecting help. The responsibility for healing was laid on those doing the fasting, praying, & laying hands on the sick people.

Now, I don’t proclaim faith healing. I only proclaim Jesus Christ. His will be done. Hallelujah! Our focus should always be exalting the Lord, nothing and nobody else. We should not be giving praise to a special diet, a particular strategy, a “miracle” herbal cure, our knowledge about health, etc. Jesus never advised people about those things. Our faith is always in Him alone, never our own understanding. We serve a miracle working God.

And I certainly don’t have wisdom and knowledge of myself to analyze why some are healed and some are not. But I do know for sure that Jesus is our Authority and He says pray for one another and that when one suffers, we all suffer. We ought to be in unity as a whole body in Christ, not separate bodies.

If God has given you the gift of faith for healing, and you believe with all your heart that He heals everyone, then by all means, fast, pray, and intercede for the sick folk on this site so they get healing. I’ll gladly devote a portion of every day to join you in prayer for them. Please pm me and let me know who we’re interceding for and I’ll believe with you. Hallelujah! May the Lord be glorified! Praise the name of Jesus.

Just whatever we do, That’s so cruel and distressful. If we do that to them, that’s how we’re treating Christ. We’re to love one another, to show mercy and kindness to one another, as unto Jesus Himself. I’m not directing this to anyone in particular, I’m actually including myself in this post. We’re all learning together because we’re one body in Christ. Amen?
 

AuntieAnt

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*duplicate* oops :rolleyes:
 
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AuntieAnt

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When I have mistreated my body and fell sick and people told me about my unhealthy choices I actually accepted the blame and moved forward and changed and recovered , now this is one particular case, and I do not say this to be universally true, but sometimes blame when properly applied can be a powerful motivator it there is in fact something we are doing that is very clearly causing ill health.

Just because scripture does not make an explicit connection for us when Jesus healed it does not mean that there are not physical consequences, sometimes, not always, for our behaviours.

Do we need to blame people probably not the best way, but we can let them know and let them decide. It worked for my son and I praise God every day that I listened.
Dear sister, I'm not suggesting we disregard the wisdom in living as best we can. I've been a health nut for many years and work out regularly. I raised my children on an organic diet and we were an active healthy family. Nevertheless, we can live healthy and still come up against spirits of infirmity or other spirits that exalt themselves agaist the Lord in our lives. That is definitely a spiritual truth.

My post is about spiritual warfare, as opposed to our own understanding about physcial health. I was pointing to Jesus rather than to taking matters in our own hands when our brothers & sisters in Christ are being attacked in their bodies.
 

UnderGrace

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I Understand better. Thank you.:D



Dear sister, I'm not suggesting we disregard the wisdom in living as best we can. I've been a health nut for many years and work out regularly. I raised my children on an organic diet and we were an active healthy family. Nevertheless, we can live healthy and still come up against spirits of infirmity or other spirits that exalt themselves agaist the Lord in our lives. That is definitely a spiritual truth.

My post is about spiritual warfare, as opposed to our own understanding about physcial health. I was pointing to Jesus rather than to taking matters in our own hands when our brothers & sisters in Christ are being attacked in their bodies.
 
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What a fantastic testimony backed up by a humble attitude which followed sound advice! Keep it up!

When I have mistreated my body and fell sick and people told me about my unhealthy choices I actually accepted the blame and moved forward and changed and recovered , now this is one particular case, and I do not say this to be universally true, but sometimes blame when properly applied can be a powerful motivator it there is in fact something we are doing that is very clearly causing ill health.

Just because scripture does not make an explicit connection for us when Jesus healed it does not mean that there are not physical consequences, sometimes, not always, for our behaviours.

Do we need to blame people probably not the best way, but we can let them know and let them decide. It worked for my son and I praise God every day that I listened.

 

stonesoffire

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If you watch the video, you'll know what I'm talking about. As to your adversarial and divisive questions, I find them rude and childish, so I won't answer them. I hope you find a better attitude.
Funny, that's exactly what I thought about your post.