Heresy

[Shard]

LOL so because I think its fine to wear my jeans to church and I disagree with your opinion on types of music I have something wrong? What about the fact that you know there are hundreds of different churches in a given town. Whats wrong with finding one I feel comfortable in because they play the music I enjoy, I can wear what I want, and the sermons are still good?

Just because people dont agree with what you think is the appropriate way to act, dress, or behave in church doesnt make them wrong, just different. I mean look at all the different denominations there are, are they all wrong? You really have no place judging what others do.

 

[Crypto]

And what is on our shoulders is an evidence on what out heart is.

I don't agree with that at all. So are you saying that you would never see someone with incredible faith and amazing love for God wear jeans to a service? What you wear says nothing about where your heart is. Just look respectable.

I don't think that is true at all. I think if one has a heart of reverence & respect (which we definitely should have to be called a Christian) they will want to evidence that, with one way being looking their best. It's the same for funerals and weddings. Some people's best may not be as formal as others. But it's the heart that is the most important. Which is why I said it isn't about clothing, but the heart.

Raymond's Blog: What Is In The Closet Reveals What Is In The Heart <---- See for more information.(it's mostly talking about modesty but the principles apply 100%)

 

[zone]

LOL so because I think its fine to wear my jeans to church and I disagree with your opinion on types of music I have something wrong? What about the fact that you know there are hundreds of different churches in a given town. Whats wrong with finding one I feel comfortable in because they play the music I enjoy, I can wear what I want, and the sermons are still good?

Just because people dont agree with what you think is the appropriate way to act, dress, or behave in church doesnt make them wrong, just different. I mean look at all the different denominations there are, are they all wrong? You really have no place judging what others do.

shard,
if you get a little time, go back to the link i posted on the Museum of Idolatry.

i'm not saying it is about you or clothes.

i post it because the church has been under attack, many have fallen asleep and a degradation has set in. if you're young, as you are it is hard to see it perhaps, but us older folks have seen it happen, and our parent's generation would never have stood for such things in "church".

but look through some of the things on that site and see what happens, and happens very quickly when the church tries to please people rather than God: things are sinking to sickening depths.

if you do look at some of the stuff going on in Jesus' Name, i'd be interested to know if you agree that something is terribly wrong today.

regards,
zone.

 

[forerunner]

LOL so because I think its fine to wear my jeans to church and I disagree with your opinion on types of music I have something wrong? What about the fact that you know there are hundreds of different churches in a given town. Whats wrong with finding one I feel comfortable in because they play the music I enjoy, I can wear what I want, and the sermons are still good?

Just because people dont agree with what you think is the appropriate way to act, dress, or behave in church doesnt make them wrong, just different. I mean look at all the different denominations there are, are they all wrong? You really have no place judging what others do.

And they probably have a real liberal doctrine that never offends your conscience also huh?

2nd Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Shard]

actually its a pretty staunch southern baptist church. Its just in a college town so they are very accepting of college students, and have both traditional and contemporary services, a booming college ministry, and they arent concerned over appearances...they know we are in college.

LawndaleBaptist.org

 

[VW]

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me. So how can you have a relationship with no rules?

Following rules is not obeying, it is, well, following rules.

Obedience is doing what the Spirit says when He says it. I ask my children to be obedient of me, and I tell them each thing I want them to do, and each thing I do not want them to do. And we communicate often to make sure that we are on the same page. I did not leave them a note, with a bunch of rules that they must follow best as they can.

 

[forerunner]

Following rules is not obeying, it is, well, following rules.

Obedience is doing what the Spirit says when He says it. I ask my children to be obedient of me, and I tell them each thing I want them to do, and each thing I do not want them to do. And we communicate often to make sure that we are on the same page. I did not leave them a note, with a bunch of rules that they must follow best as they can.

Jesus has a set of rules alright, and if you love Him we will obey Him. That includes being obedient to what the Spirit speaks into our hearts.

 

[forerunner]

actually its a pretty staunch southern baptist church

Thats what I said.

 

[Shard]

and your denomination is what?

 

[VW]

Jesus has a set of rules alright, and if you love Him we will obey Him. That includes being obedient to what the Spirit speaks into our hearts.

We like to have written rules, because then we can judge ourselves and others without the bother of drawing close to God in all things to see and hear what His heart says to our hearts. But the reality is that God gave us the Spirit to facilitate our relationship with Him, an open and continuous communication with the living God.

So, if the truth would be known, the real heresy is anything which interferes with or detracts from that relationship.

 

[forerunner]

We like to have written rules, because then we can judge ourselves and others without the bother of drawing close to God in all things to see and hear what His heart says to our hearts. But the reality is that God gave us the Spirit to facilitate our relationship with Him, an open and continuous communication with the living God.

And he has written his commandments/rules on our hearts.

So, if the truth would be known, the real heresy is anything which interferes with or detracts from that relationship.

Amen to that!!!

 

[phil36]

I think anyone that says you have to dress this way or that way, to go to church is just making and following man made rules. adding burdens on people.

Blessings

Phil

 

[forerunner]

and your denomination is what?

I have no denomination. I attend a Church of God '' its a trinitarian pentecostal denomination, (I am not a trinitarian) church''. I also attend a house of prayer calle RIHOP Richmond House of Prayer loosely modaled after the one in K.C. Missouri. I also attend 2 separate home church congregations.

 

[Shard]

ohhh....that explains a lot

 

[VW]

And he has written his commandments/rules on our hearts.

Amen to that!!!

The thing to remember about our commandments and our rules is the ability, the nature we are endowed with by God. When God made a covenant with Israel, they could not have God's nature, they could not be born of the Spirit, and so the rules were fit for them. (They were rules which were made for sinful people.) And in fact, these rules given to them could not make them perfect, because they did not have the perfect nature of God in them.

But in Jesus, we have been born again, born of the Spirit of God, children of God, with His nature. In fact, we are destined to become conformed to the exact image of Jesus Christ! This is a horse of an entirely different color. And as such, our rules are structured according to our nature. Jesus spoke of His commandment to us, His new commandment, (new because the people it is given to are new.) His new commandment to us is simply this, to love each other even as He has loved us, so we are to love one another. And the conviction of the Spirit is when we walk not in His love.

One thing I learned in the military is to never give a command that I know will not or cannot be obeyed. But God said through one of the prophets that the commandments that He had given them were not good, because they could not keep them. But God has done something so great and good, because He gave us the nature and the commandment which that new nature could keep, all in Jesus Christ. That is freedom.

 

[phil36]

I agree with what VW has wrote above.

Weare not followers of the law for the law is in us 'Love'. It is through the new commandment Jesus gave that we fulfil the law, We are free from the Law, but we fulfill it, by loving others as ourselves.

Jesus does say not one dot/iota will be changed in the law, for the reason being those who reject God will be held accountable and judged according to their acts against the law. We as children of God are free from the law, that doesnt mean 'lawless' but through the Love that is in us, by that we love, we fulfil the law.

Hope that made sense lol

Blessings

Phil

 

[forerunner]

ohhh....that explains a lot

Expound on that comment please.

 

[Shard]

Thats what I said.

Maybe you should expound on yours.


But ive been to 'house churches' before. I found them to be...overbearing and strictly just...odd. They did tend to follow more OT laws than anything NT. About the only thing they dropped were animal sacrifices. Otherwise they were OT to the letter. I tend to follow the words of jesus and the NT. So it was not my thing. Not saying there are all like that but the ones ive been too were.

 

[forerunner]

Maybe you should expound on yours.


But ive been to 'house churches' before. I found them to be...overbearing and strictly just...odd. They did tend to follow more OT laws than anything NT. About the only thing they dropped were animal sacrifices. Otherwise they were OT to the letter. I tend to follow the words of jesus and the NT. So it was not my thing.

hahaha, yeah well, I guess you shouldn't have expounded. You made yourself look kind of well, uneducated to say it nicely.

Not saying there are all like that but the ones ive been too were.

The home churches I attend are the definition of the New Testament church.

Acts 2
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart

 

[Shard]

hahaha, yeah well, I guess you shouldn't have expounded. You made yourself look kind of well, uneducated to say it nicely.

The home churches I attend are the definition of the New Testament church.

Acts 2
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart

The ones I went too were with a friend. She seemed normal and invited me to church one week. I was like ok and it turns out church was at her house. They then launched into a 'sermon' about how people no longer followed the law of the old testaments and people were going to hell for all sorts of things. They went as far as people wearing clothing of mixed fabrics still being a sin...

So perhaps you're churches were different and I believe they were if you say so. But that doesnt change the negative experience i had.

And you never did expound on what is wrong with southern baptist?