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the preachers are gonna emphasise it because they benefit
I like reverend lovejoy in the Simpsons
"How many times do I have to tell you people; it is 10% BEFORE tax"
I defy anyone to show me in the NT where we have to give 10%
The NT does say something about giving but people do not study it because they have already been misled
I like reverend lovejoy in the Simpsons
"How many times do I have to tell you people; it is 10% BEFORE tax"
I defy anyone to show me in the NT where we have to give 10%
The NT does say something about giving but people do not study it because they have already been misled
N
I studied it some before, ( while i have no problem with tithing , or people tithing , be it certain amounts, or what ever they feel led to give), there is a difference between tithes and offerings, mostly what i read dealt with increase and your store house etc. different people read different things into it i guess.
S
Precious Brother,
I already gave you an intro into this I thought it was clear.........Besides, I first asked you about your finances............and uh, no comment........
And again, as I said before, I am in no way trying to be rude or intrusive into your personal life or have you disclose financial info on here, but the question still remains........So, kinda' like OUR KING once asked the Pharisees about John's Baptism or calling, was it from Heaven or of men.......I re-ask you the same question...........And as I see in the Spirit of My GOD, there's only 3 ways to answer this question............
A. Your finances are great, you have all of your bills paid, no debts..........etc. ........Especially concerning the statement from Scripture that says OWE NO MAN ANYTHING......EXCEPT TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER; FOR HE WHO LOVES HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW....Romans 13:8
B. Your finances are in trouble......
Now again, don't do a whole discourse of financial stats on here, all due respect to this CC site, it probably wouldn't be very safe......
C. Or you could just rebuff me and tell me it's none of my business, which while this is absolutely true in and of itself, yet it still leads us right back to the origin or reason why I posted this thread in the first place.........SOMEONE IS STEALING OUR STUFF..............!
So Neighbor, what would your response be to this........and the statement from Galatians.......?
SeekinHIM
I already gave you an intro into this I thought it was clear.........Besides, I first asked you about your finances............and uh, no comment........
And again, as I said before, I am in no way trying to be rude or intrusive into your personal life or have you disclose financial info on here, but the question still remains........So, kinda' like OUR KING once asked the Pharisees about John's Baptism or calling, was it from Heaven or of men.......I re-ask you the same question...........And as I see in the Spirit of My GOD, there's only 3 ways to answer this question............
A. Your finances are great, you have all of your bills paid, no debts..........etc. ........Especially concerning the statement from Scripture that says OWE NO MAN ANYTHING......EXCEPT TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER; FOR HE WHO LOVES HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW....Romans 13:8
B. Your finances are in trouble......
Now again, don't do a whole discourse of financial stats on here, all due respect to this CC site, it probably wouldn't be very safe......
C. Or you could just rebuff me and tell me it's none of my business, which while this is absolutely true in and of itself, yet it still leads us right back to the origin or reason why I posted this thread in the first place.........SOMEONE IS STEALING OUR STUFF..............!
So Neighbor, what would your response be to this........and the statement from Galatians.......?
SeekinHIM
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Dear Greatkraw,
Here's another thought, and it seems to fit in with this debate we are having on this issue........Please remember Paul's decree about the Law.......
This again, is another part of this NEW COVENANT TITHING..............Which as I said I will do another time......but because you persist to know, here
it is............Now keep in mind here, this is the NEW COVENANT OF LOVE, GRACE, MERCY, ETC......ALL EXTENDED TO YOU AND ME, BASED ON OUR
LOVING FATHER WIPING OUT OUR PAST BECAUSE OF CHRIST.......To say WHERE IS IT WRITTEN, IMPLIES A BLACK AND WHITE REFERENCE, WHICH
INDICATES TO ME, LAW............AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND WHAT PAUL SAID ABOUT THE LAW........THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE BY THE LAW,
HAD BETTER DO IT PERFECTLY BECAUSE IF THEY MISS ONE PART, THEN THEY ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING THE WHOLE LAW......GAL. 3:10 (and to live under those laws, brings a curse anyway...........is this how we should live, or by faith).............READ CAREFULLY MY FRIEND......
Galatians 3- vs. 15 - Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations; even though it is only a mans covenant, YET WHEN IT HAS BEEN RATIFIED, NO
SETS IT ASIDE OR ADDS CONDITIONS TO IT...........16- Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say " AND TO SEEDS", as referring to many but rather to one, "AND TO YOUR SEED,'' that is CHRIST. 17- What I am saying is this: the Law which came four hundred and thirty years later.........DOES NOT INVALIDATE A COVENANT PREVIOUSLY RATIFIED BY GOD, SO AS TO NULLIFY THE PROMISE............
Pray about this, remember SPIRITUAL TRUTH MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN THE HEART, NOT THE INTELLECT............
There are many more examples to share with you, but suffice it to say...........If your heart is not in it, well even though it's not SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE AS IN MALACHI, DOESN'T CHANGE THE COVENANT RATIFYING PROCESS............
SeekinHIM
Here's another thought, and it seems to fit in with this debate we are having on this issue........Please remember Paul's decree about the Law.......
This again, is another part of this NEW COVENANT TITHING..............Which as I said I will do another time......but because you persist to know, here
it is............Now keep in mind here, this is the NEW COVENANT OF LOVE, GRACE, MERCY, ETC......ALL EXTENDED TO YOU AND ME, BASED ON OUR
LOVING FATHER WIPING OUT OUR PAST BECAUSE OF CHRIST.......To say WHERE IS IT WRITTEN, IMPLIES A BLACK AND WHITE REFERENCE, WHICH
INDICATES TO ME, LAW............AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND WHAT PAUL SAID ABOUT THE LAW........THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE BY THE LAW,
HAD BETTER DO IT PERFECTLY BECAUSE IF THEY MISS ONE PART, THEN THEY ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING THE WHOLE LAW......GAL. 3:10 (and to live under those laws, brings a curse anyway...........is this how we should live, or by faith).............READ CAREFULLY MY FRIEND......
Galatians 3- vs. 15 - Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations; even though it is only a mans covenant, YET WHEN IT HAS BEEN RATIFIED, NO
SETS IT ASIDE OR ADDS CONDITIONS TO IT...........16- Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say " AND TO SEEDS", as referring to many but rather to one, "AND TO YOUR SEED,'' that is CHRIST. 17- What I am saying is this: the Law which came four hundred and thirty years later.........DOES NOT INVALIDATE A COVENANT PREVIOUSLY RATIFIED BY GOD, SO AS TO NULLIFY THE PROMISE............
Pray about this, remember SPIRITUAL TRUTH MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN THE HEART, NOT THE INTELLECT............
There are many more examples to share with you, but suffice it to say...........If your heart is not in it, well even though it's not SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE AS IN MALACHI, DOESN'T CHANGE THE COVENANT RATIFYING PROCESS............
SeekinHIM
C
the preachers are gonna emphasise it because they benefit
I like reverend lovejoy in the Simpsons
"How many times do I have to tell you people; it is 10% BEFORE tax"
I defy anyone to show me in the NT where we have to give 10%
The NT does say something about giving but people do not study it because they have already been misled
I like reverend lovejoy in the Simpsons
"How many times do I have to tell you people; it is 10% BEFORE tax"
I defy anyone to show me in the NT where we have to give 10%
The NT does say something about giving but people do not study it because they have already been misled
C
We are not under the law. Tithing is an Old Testament principle. The New Testament teaches us to be faithful and cheerful in our giving. The fulfillment of the tithe lies in the NT idea of setting aside what God has laid upon your heart to give. I do not believe 10% is a difficult amount for most Americans, but some can only cheerfully give a penny and others can give greater amounts. That is between the believer and God. Did I miss anything Greatkraw?
S
Dear Brother,
Search it out in the Word.............First of all ..........THE EARTH IS THE LORDS AND ALL IT CONTAINS.............INCLUDING YOU AND ME AND EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING .........
To answer your question, it's not yours............ALL THAT WE HAVE IS FROM GOD.......... you are only a STEWARD of it and only for a very short time on this planet, just like the rest of us........
It's a very small price to pay, which is clear in Scripture, to assist the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers...........remember, it's not just supposed to be a Pastor.............
AND IT'S NOT THAT GOD WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A MILLION DOLLARS, OR 10 MILLION OR WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT WAS, THE FACT IS GOD IS ORDERLY, AND DOES NOT DEVIATE FROM HIS PLAN,............IF YOU PROVE TO HIM WITH A LITTLE MONEY, THAT YOU USE IT WISELY, AND SOW INTO HIS KINGDOM WHAT HE ASKS............THEN HE GIVES YOU MORE............
SeekinHIM
Search it out in the Word.............First of all ..........THE EARTH IS THE LORDS AND ALL IT CONTAINS.............INCLUDING YOU AND ME AND EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING .........
To answer your question, it's not yours............ALL THAT WE HAVE IS FROM GOD.......... you are only a STEWARD of it and only for a very short time on this planet, just like the rest of us........
It's a very small price to pay, which is clear in Scripture, to assist the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers...........remember, it's not just supposed to be a Pastor.............
AND IT'S NOT THAT GOD WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A MILLION DOLLARS, OR 10 MILLION OR WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT WAS, THE FACT IS GOD IS ORDERLY, AND DOES NOT DEVIATE FROM HIS PLAN,............IF YOU PROVE TO HIM WITH A LITTLE MONEY, THAT YOU USE IT WISELY, AND SOW INTO HIS KINGDOM WHAT HE ASKS............THEN HE GIVES YOU MORE............
SeekinHIM
S
Precious Toby,
I know if you do the research, study the Word diligently, you will discover that AFTER THE CROSS OF OUR LORD JESUS, WE ARE CALLED SAINTS
56 TIMES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT...........Now this does not mean we don't sin anymore........It's a TRUTH that we are SEALED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Now, as I see next to your name that you are only 14, this is good, you are very young still, and this is an optimum time for you to bury yourself in the Word.............EAT TIL' YOU ARE FULL MY FRIEND, THE BREAD OF LIFE..........
You will no doubt learn what I am saying.....
SeekinHIM
I know if you do the research, study the Word diligently, you will discover that AFTER THE CROSS OF OUR LORD JESUS, WE ARE CALLED SAINTS
56 TIMES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT...........Now this does not mean we don't sin anymore........It's a TRUTH that we are SEALED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Now, as I see next to your name that you are only 14, this is good, you are very young still, and this is an optimum time for you to bury yourself in the Word.............EAT TIL' YOU ARE FULL MY FRIEND, THE BREAD OF LIFE..........
You will no doubt learn what I am saying.....
SeekinHIM