how do texts in KJV compare to other translations that were done before it?

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TheLearner

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how do texts in KJV compare to other translations that were done before it?
 

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I don't have a clue. What's your take on this?
 

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I love the KJV and NKJV and the NIV pre 1984 and the NASB, and the NLT :)
 

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You mean like The Latin Vulgate;)

Just kidding. You mean earlier English translations right? Like The Geneva Bible, Bishop's Bible, Wycliffe or Tyndale?
 

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Nehemiah6

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how do texts in KJV compare to other translations that were done before it?
The King James Bible was meant to take all the previous English translations and out of many make ONE GOOD ONE to which no one could take exception. Read "The Translators to the Reader". IOW it was a vast improvement over all previous English translations.
 

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Daniel Wallace is a blatant liar. Below is a good example of Wallace MISLEADING the public. He is denying that modern versions have thousands of OMISSIONS which are from the Received Text (which represents the majority of Greek manuscripts). Instead he lies by telling us that verses were added to the KJV! He also calls the MOST CORRUPT manuscripts "the oldest and most reliable". A huge lie which began with Westcott & Hort.

"10. Modern translations have removed words and verses from the Bible. Most biblical scholars—both conservative and liberal—would say instead that the KJV added words and verses, rather than that the modern ones have removed such. And this is in part because the oldest and most reliable manuscripts lack the extra verses that are found in the KJV." [Note: the bolded words are called a "myth" in this article, which is full of baloney and misleading statements https://danielbwallace.com/2012/10/08/fifteen-myths-about-bible-translation/]

If you wish to know the truth which totally refutes Wallace, kindly read and study The Revision Revised* by Dean John William Burgon (an outstanding 19th century conservative textual scholar in his own right). I could quote extensively from this book but you should do your own research.

*You can get this book from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.ca/Revision-Revi...ds=the+revision+revised&qid=1632082343&sr=8-1
 

Icedaisey

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Daniel Wallace is a blatant liar. Below is a good example of Wallace MISLEADING the public. He is denying that modern versions have thousands of OMISSIONS which are from the Received Text (which represents the majority of Greek manuscripts). Instead he lies by telling us that verses were added to the KJV! He also calls the MOST CORRUPT manuscripts "the oldest and most reliable". A huge lie which began with Westcott & Hort.

"10. Modern translations have removed words and verses from the Bible. Most biblical scholars—both conservative and liberal—would say instead that the KJV added words and verses, rather than that the modern ones have removed such. And this is in part because the oldest and most reliable manuscripts lack the extra verses that are found in the KJV." [Note: the bolded words are called a "myth" in this article, which is full of baloney and misleading statements https://danielbwallace.com/2012/10/08/fifteen-myths-about-bible-translation/]

If you wish to know the truth which totally refutes Wallace, kindly read and study The Revision Revised* by Dean John William Burgon (an outstanding 19th century conservative textual scholar in his own right). I could quote extensively from this book but you should do your own research.

You can get this book from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.ca/Revision-Revi...ds=the+revision+revised&qid=1632082343&sr=8-1
Thank you. I'll look into it. That would be hugely disappointing if Dr. Wallace is incredible. :( Of course the next question would be, why? Why would such an accredited professor go that route?

Thank you again.
 

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BEWARE OF DANIEL WALLACE. He is well-versed in misleading the public.
Unmitigated SLANDER. Either back it up with evidence or retract it.

I read your post after this one. It is not evidence; it is your own opinion.
 

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how do texts in KJV compare to other translations that were done before it?
What "texts" are you talking about? Do you mean the text of the KJV as compared to the text of previous translations?
 

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TheLearner

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Daniel Wallace is a blatant liar. Below is a good example of Wallace MISLEADING the public. He is denying that modern versions have thousands of OMISSIONS which are from the Received Text (which represents the majority of Greek manuscripts). Instead he lies by telling us that verses were added to the KJV! He also calls the MOST CORRUPT manuscripts "the oldest and most reliable". A huge lie which began with Westcott & Hort.

"10. Modern translations have removed words and verses from the Bible. Most biblical scholars—both conservative and liberal—would say instead that the KJV added words and verses, rather than that the modern ones have removed such. And this is in part because the oldest and most reliable manuscripts lack the extra verses that are found in the KJV." [Note: the bolded words are called a "myth" in this article, which is full of baloney and misleading statements https://danielbwallace.com/2012/10/08/fifteen-myths-about-bible-translation/]

If you wish to know the truth which totally refutes Wallace, kindly read and study The Revision Revised* by Dean John William Burgon (an outstanding 19th century conservative textual scholar in his own right). I could quote extensively from this book but you should do your own research.

*You can get this book from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.ca/Revision-Revi...ds=the+revision+revised&qid=1632082343&sr=8-1
I am not up to a KJV only discussion. As I understand it KJV Greek text was put together with, by a handful of manuscripts almost contemporary with whats his name. That Modern Greek critical text is compiled using thousands of manuscripts --- some only a few hundred years of the original manuscripts..
 

TheLearner

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Thank you. I'll look into it. That would be hugely disappointing if Dr. Wallace is incredible. :( Of course the next question would be, why? Why would such an accredited professor go that route?

Thank you again.
"Dr. Wallace, a fourth-generation Californian, is a member of the Society of New Testament Studies, the Institute for Biblical Research, the Society of Biblical Literature, the American Society of Papyrologists, and the Evangelical Theological Society (of which he was president in 2016). He has been a consultant for several Bible translations. He has written, edited, or contributed to more than three dozen books, and has published articles in New Testament Studies, Novum Testamentum, Biblica, Westminster Theological Journal, Bulletin of Biblical Review, the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and several other peer-reviewed journals. His Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament is the standard intermediate Greek grammar and has been translated into more than a half-dozen languages. He is the executive director of the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts (csntm.org), an institute whose initial purpose is to preserve Scripture by taking digital photographs of all known Greek New Testament manuscripts. In the process CSNTM staff have discovered over ninety New Testament manuscripts throughout the world. He and his wife, Pati, have four sons, three daughters-in-law, three granddaughters, one grandson, and one Labrador. " https://www.dts.edu/employee/daniel-wallace/
 

TheLearner

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Daniel B. Wallace’s Journal Articles
  • “Granville Sharp’s Rule: A Rejoinder to Stan Porter.” JETS (56:1). 2013. 101-106.
  • “Sharp’s Rule Revisited: A Response to Stanley Porter.” JETS (56:1). 2013. 79-91.
  • “Bruce Metzger: In Memoriam.” Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society (153:4). 2009. 489-93.
  • “Challenges in New Testament Textual Criticism for the Twenty-First Century.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (25). 2009. 79-100.
  • “Sharp, Granville.” International Encyclopedia of Social Sciences 2008.
  • “The Gospel according to Bart: A Review Article of Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (49). 2006. 327-49.
  • “The Uneasy Conscience of a Non-Charismatic Evangelical.” Who’s Afraid of the Holy Spirit? An investigation into the Ministry of the Spirit of God Today 2005.
  • “The Witness of the Spirit in Romans 8:16: Interpretation and Implications.” Who’s Afraid of the Holy Spirit? An investigation into the Ministry of the Spirit of God Today 2005.
  • “The Textual Basis of New Testament Translation.” The Essential Evangelical Parallel Bible 2004.
  • “Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit.” Bulletin for Biblical Research (13.1). 2003. 97-125.
  • “The Textual Basis of New Testament Translation.” The Oxford Parallel New Testament 2003.
  • “Innovations in Text and Translation of the NET Bible, New Testament.” Bible Translator (Ja, Jl Technical Papers) (52:3). 2001. 335-349.
  • “Was Junia Really an Apostle? A Reexamination of Romans 16:7.” JBMW (6:2). 2001. 4-11.
  • “Was Junia Really an Apostle? a Re-examination of Rom 16.7.” New Testament Studies (47:1). 2001. 76-91.
  • “An Open Letter regarding the NET Bible, New Testament.” Notes on Translation (14.3). 2000. 1-8.
  • “Granville Sharp : A Model of Evangelical Scholarship and Social Activism.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (41). 1998. 591-613.
  • Review of “Studies in the Theory and Method of New Testament Textual Criticism.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (41). 1998. 129-129.
  • “Review of Studies in the Theory and Method of New Testament Textual Criticism.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (41). 1998. 129.
  • “Crisis of the Word: A Message to Pastors and Would-be Pastors.” Conservative Theological Journal (1). 1997. 107-115.
  • “Review of Levels of Constituent Structure in New Testament Greek.” Critical Review of Books in Religion (9). 1996. 249-251.
  • Review of “Levels of Constituent Structure in New Testament Greek.” Critical Review of Books in Religion (9). 1996. 249-251.
  • “Historical Revisionism and the Majority Text Theory : The Cases of F H A Scrivener and Herman C Hoskier.” New Testament Studies (41). 1995. 280-285.
  • “Who’s Afraid of the Holy Spirit? The Uneasy Conscience of a Noncharismatic Evangelical.” Christianity Today (38). 1994. 34-38.
  • “A Review of The Earliest Gospel Manuscript? by Carsten Peter Thiede.” Bibliotheca Sacra (151). 1994. 350-354.
  • “The Majority-Text Theory : History, Methods and Critique.” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society (37). 1994. 185-215.
  • “7Q5 : The Earliest NT Papyrus?.” Westminster Theological Journal (56:1). 1994. 173-180.
  • “Reconsidering “The Story of Jesus and the Adulteress Reconsidered”.” New Testament Studies (39). 1993. 290-296.
  • “The Majority Text and the Original Text : Are They Identical?.” Bibliotheca Sacra (148). 1991. 151-169.
  • “Inspiration, Preservation, and New Testament Textual Criticism.” Grace Theological Journal (12). 1991. 21-50.
  • “Inspiration, Preservation, and New Testament Textual Criticism.” New Testament Essays in Honor of Homer A. Kent, Jr. 1991. 69-102.
  • “A Textual Problem in 1 Thessalonians 1:10 : Ek Tēs Orgēs Vs Apo Tēs Orgēs.” Bibliotheca Sacra (147). 1990. 470-479.
  • “John 5,2 and the Date of the Fourth Gospel.” Biblica (71:2). 1990. 177-205.
  • Review of “The Gospel According to Saint Luke, Pt 1: , Chapters 1-12.” Bibliotheca Sacra (147). 1990. 121-123.
  • Review of “The Gospel According to Saint Luke, Pt 2: Chapters 13-24.” Bibliotheca Sacra (147). 1990. 121-123.
  • “Galatians 3:19-20 : A Crux Interpretum for Paul’s View of the Law.” Westminster Theological Journal (52:2). 1990. 225-245.
  • “jOrgivzesqe in Ephesians 4:26: Command or Condition?.” Christianity Today (4:Best in Theology). 1990. 57-74.
  • “Some Second Thoughts on the Majority Text.” Bibliotheca Sacra (146). 1989. 270-290.
  • “Orgizesthe in Ephesians 4:26 : Command or Condition?.” Criswell Theological Review (3). 1989. 353-372.
  • “The Majority Text : A New Collating Base?.” New Testament Studies (35:4). 1989. 609-618.
  • Review of “The Text of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions.” Bibliotheca Sacra (145). 1988. 467-468.
  • Review of “Logical Criticisms of Textual Criticism.” Bibliotheca Sacra (145). 1988. 469-469.
  • Review of “The Majority Text: Essays and Reviews in the Continuing Debate.” Bibliotheca Sacra (145). 1988. 469-470.
  • Review of “The Text of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions.” Grace Theological Journal (9). 1988. 279-285.
  • Review of “What Are They Saying about Mark.” Grace Theological Journal (9). 1988. 294-295.
  • “[Forty Articles].” Nelson’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary 1986.
  • “The Semantics and Exegetical Significance of the Object – Complement Construction in the New Testament.” Grace Theological Journal (6:1). 1985. 91-112.
  • “The Relation of Adjective to Noun in Anarthrous Constructions in the New Testament.” Novum Testamentum (26). 1984. 128-167.
  • “The Semantic Range of the Article-noun-kai-noun Plural Construction in the New Testament.” Grace Theological Journal (4:1). 1983. 59-84.
  • “Prayer of the Seminarian.” Wittenburg Door (54). 1980. 25.
  • “Choosing a Bible Translation.” Bible Study Magazine 1753. 23–26.
 

TheLearner

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Daniel B. Wallace’s Books

NT Papyri P45, P46, P47 Facsimiles
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Daniel B. Wallace • Robert Marcello • Stratton Ladewig September 15, 2020

Gramática griega: Sintaxis del Nuevo Testamento – Segunda edición con apéndice (Biblioteca Teologica Vida) (Spanish Edition)
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Daniel B. Wallace • Daniel Steffen September 15, 2020

A Reader's Lexicon of the Apostolic Fathers
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Brittany C. Burnette • Daniel B. Wallace • Terri Moore September 15, 2020

In Defense of the Bible
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Craig A. Blaising • Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock • Douglas K. Blount • Walter C. Kaiser September 15, 2020

The Book of Books: Biblical Canon, Dissemination and Its People
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Daniel B. Wallace • Jerry Pattengale September 15, 2020

Understanding Scripture: An Overview of the Bible’s Origin, Reliability, and Meaning
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Daniel B. Wallace • Wayne Grudem September 15, 2020

The Reliability of the New Testament: Bart Ehrman and Daniel Wallace in Dialogue
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Bart Ehrman • Daniel B. Wallace • Robert B. Stewart September 15, 2020

Holman Christian Standard Study Bible
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Daniel B. Wallace • Dorian G. Coover-Cox • Edwin Blum • James F. Davis • Jeremy Royal Howard September 15, 2020

Revisiting the Corruption of the New Testament: Manuscript, Patristic, and Apocryphal Evidence (Text and Canon of the New Testament)
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Brian J. Wright • Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy, and Science
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Daniel B. Wallace • Michael Licona • William A. Dembski September 15, 2020

New Testament Greek Syntax Laminated Sheet
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

Granville Sharp's Canon and Its Kin
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

Contending with Christianity’s Critics
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Daniel B. Wallace • Paul H. Copan • William Lane Craig September 15, 2020

Perspectives on the Ending of Mark: Four Views
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Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock • David Alan Black • Keith Elliott • Maurice Robinson September 15, 2020

The ESV Study Bible
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences
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Daniel B. Wallace • William A. Darity September 15, 2020

Dethroning Jesus
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Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock September 15, 2020

A Workbook for New Testament Syntax
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Daniel B. Wallace • Grant Edwards September 15, 2020

Reinventing Jesus
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Daniel B. Wallace • J. Edward Komoszewski • M. James Sawyer September 15, 2020

Interpreting the New Testament Text: Introduction to the Art and Science of Exegesis
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Buist M. Fanning • Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock • David K. Lowery • Jay E. Smith • Timothy J. Ralston September 15, 2020

NET Bible
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

Who’s Afraid of the Holy Spirit: An Investigation into the Ministry of the Spirit of God Today?
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Daniel B. Wallace • J.I. Packer • M. James Sawyer • Reg Grant • Richard Averbeck • Timothy J. Ralston • Wayne Grudem • Willie O. Peterson September 15, 2020

New Testament : New English Translation, Novum Testamentum Graece
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Daniel B. Wallace • Michael Burer • W. Hall Harris September 15, 2020

The Essential Evangelical Parallel Bible
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Daniel B. Wallace • John Kohlenberger September 15, 2020

The Basics of New Testament Syntax
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020

Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020
Daniel B. Wallace’s Contributions
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Christ at the Center – A Bibliology Grounded in Christology
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Daniel B. Wallace September 15, 2020
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How Is a Bible Translated?
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Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock • Dorian G. Coover-Cox • Nikki Getman • Robert B. Chisholm • W. Hall Harris November 26, 2019
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Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock • Dorian G. Coover-Cox • Niki Getman • Robert B. Chisholm • W. Hall Harris September 5, 2019
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An Excruciating Gift
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Daniel B. Wallace February 14, 2019
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Reliability of the New Testament
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Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock October 17, 2017

The Greek Article: A Functional Grammar of ὁ-items in the Greek New Testament with Special Emphasis on the Greek Article
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Dr. Daniel Wallace Digitizes Ancient Manuscripts
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Daniel B. Wallace November 18, 2014

Novum Testamentum Graecum: Editio Critica Maior
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A User’s Guide to the Nestle-Aland 28 Greek New Testament
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How a Surf Bum Learned to Trust the Bible
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Daniel B. Wallace May 1, 2014

Bumper Sticker Theology, Part 1
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Daniel B. Wallace • Darrell L. Bock • John D. Grassmick September 21, 2007

Misquoting Jesus?
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