How freewill salvation perverts God's Justice !

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homewardbound,very nice job confusing the issue.we were talking about physical life.do you suggest we should all kill ourselves?lol
 

homwardbound

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Jesus is the way out, but many will reject it. The narrow gate leads to life and few find it. I believe God blesses everyone with common grace, but blesses His elect with a studio special kind of grace. He gives mercy and grace for salvation to those whom He foreknew and predestined. In doing so, we come alive by His Spirit and repent by His grace. Those who aren't going to repent won't care. So not only is God's perfect mercy displayed, but also God's perfect justice. Not everyone has to agree with this.
I see either one is received or not. It matters not to me who says they have or have not. Nor can i force anyone ever to drink the water of Father through Son that when one does they never thirst again. So I see not to asked for the imputed righteousness Father gives by Faith in the Son Christ
This love is 1 cor 13:4-13 that is imputed to the believer by Father through Christ alone and this world or the flesh nature in this world can't comprehend this

  • Romans 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
    Romans 4:21-23 (in Context) Romans 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  • Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
    Romans 4:22-24 (in Context) Romans 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  • Romans 4:24 but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

    there is no other way to the new life except through Christ, and this new life is not in his death, it is in his resurrection, that if one believes, receives and sees
    If not yet, then there is error somewhere in that ones truth, being in bondage still
    Truth sets free; if not free, then there would have to error somewhere in ones truth?
 

homwardbound

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its a gnostic doctrine
Gnostic , belief since, all flesh is evil, that Christ could not have come in the flesh and therefor was an apparition, was not physically here
John from the island of Patmos writes, a return letter to the one that sent him a letter over this concern of the battle of the believers, that gathered together to discuss truth between each other, and there is where Gnosticism came form
Believing all flesh is evil, which if born after Adam one is born of sinful flesh, having the propensity to sin

So read it 1 John 1:1 start right there in context:
[h=3]1 John 1:1[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

Why would John start out this epistle with stating we saw him, we touched him?
So this letter is the correction, as to the only flesh that never sinned is Christ, and by him, through him in his death we have forgiveness forever, but please receive this and do not take it for granted and use God as an escape goat to continue in sin, as the Corinthians did, and is why Paul wrote therm to correct their heresy they took thought of, as hey we are forgiven so who cares if I drink up all the wine and have sex against another persons free will. We are forgiven so why not, that thought came from the enemy and they revived it and did it. Today the heresy is to get more forgiveness as if God is going to sacrifice himself over and over again and give anyone more forgivenss


[h=3]1 John 2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
 

homwardbound

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The amazing thing to me, is that though he allowed Adam and Eve to sin, in order that they might have free choice, he already put a plan into motion in order to redeem them. This is what the entire Bible is about.

Not only did he allow them to maintain free choice, he sent His own Son to pay the price for their trespass. God maintains his love by allowing them to be free and then he reinforces and even crowns his love for humankind by Sending Jesus to die in our place.

I marvel at that fact and praise God for it!
And please do not forget the resurrected Christ where the new life is at that he came to give and without this one is still dead in their sins

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 

homwardbound

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homewardbound,very nice job confusing the issue.we were talking about physical life.do you suggest we should all kill ourselves?lol
You misunderstand, By Chirst's death to flesh to our death to flesh and the bringing in the new life by the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth, Father does this and show us this if we finalize this:
We are by Christ forgiven. There is no further forgiveness to be executed from Father to anyone after Christ the Son took it all away in Father's sight by his death in the last shedding of blood for all time

And so although we are alive in this flesh carnal nature, this body is not redeemed, and can't be perfect ever as shown by Christ to all before his death, burial and resurrected life came to be in place today
Did Christ not come to give us new life? How was this to be, in the flesh or the Spirit of God?
Is not the fight between flesh nature and God's Spirit?
Did Jesus while in the flesh here on earth ever walk by the flesh?
Did he do any works of self ever?
 

homwardbound

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homewardbound,very nice job confusing the issue.we were talking about physical life.do you suggest we should all kill ourselves?lol
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And all sin is condemned to:
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So do we put any confidence in our unredeemed flesh?
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Waht do we do then since no flesh can please Father:

[h=3]Philippians 3:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;







[h=3]Philippians 3:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
 

homwardbound

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Are we all confused enough yet and is God the author of confusion? No I think not
father left one thing to beleive Father through Son or not your last and final choice to make consciously.
And either have your conscious purged from sin or not, God willing I pray for all

Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
 
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So dose of reality, have you made this free choice to trust God the father of Christ only?
Yes I have, but thats a bit ambiguous, you would agree it takes more than "trust".

The fact that I don't believe "the God the father of christ" exists and that I don't pray or confess sin is really why you would say I am not a christian.

Yet I have in my life put my trust in Jesus, so you may want to ask a better question next time.
 
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I f prince told you would you believe it. I think so
 

homwardbound

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Yes I have, but thats a bit ambiguous, you would agree it takes more than "trust".

The fact that I don't believe "the God the father of christ" exists and that I don't pray or confess sin is really why you would say I am not a christian.

Yet I have in my life put my trust in Jesus, so you may want to ask a better question next time.
I make no judgments of you or anyone, that is not my job to do. And for anyone to take that on. to me is plainly in error
Yet I make no judgment as to whether one is saved or not. A christian or not, why?
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

I think many believe and those that do will come to understand the whole truth, for Father is faithful
 

homwardbound

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Yes I have, but thats a bit ambiguous, you would agree it takes more than "trust".

The fact that I don't believe "the God the father of christ" exists and that I don't pray or confess sin is really why you would say I am not a christian.

Yet I have in my life put my trust in Jesus, so you may want to ask a better question next time.
An a no to what you said it takes more than trust. I do not agree, why, because today I put no confidence in the carnal, flesh nature
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
 

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Yes I have, but thats a bit ambiguous, you would agree it takes more than "trust".

The fact that I don't believe "the God the father of christ" exists and that I don't pray or confess sin is really why you would say I am not a christian.

Yet I have in my life put my trust in Jesus, so you may want to ask a better question next time.
Then you are in the fold per Father or just Jesus as you wish, for I know we are not of people, clergies, sects or any religion right?

1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Colossians 1:23 if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
 

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Yes I have, but thats a bit ambiguous, you would agree it takes more than "trust".

The fact that I don't believe "the God the father of christ" exists and that I don't pray or confess sin is really why you would say I am not a christian.

Yet I have in my life put my trust in Jesus, so you may want to ask a better question next time.
Jesus Who, doseofreality? The Jesus in Whom I trust, is God himself, who became a man. Is that the same Jesus in Whom you trust?. (John 1:14) Sounds like you trust in "another jesus"...not the Jesus of Scriptures.
 
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Jesus Who, doseofreality? The Jesus in Whom I trust, is God himself, who became a man. Is that the same Jesus in Whom you trust?. (John 1:14) Sounds like you trust in "another jesus"...not the Jesus of Scriptures.
Why do you say that? Are you implying that trust in Jesus can be identified by ones works as it says in James?

Anyway to answer your question, Yes it was same Jesus of John 1:1 and John 1:14 that I put my trust in and believed for salvation. What you are picking up on is that presently I do not put my trust in any supernatural magical being.
 

homwardbound

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Dose. Love you, as God does, unconditionally as he did go to the cross for you, dies and rose again for you
Do you believe that?
 
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Dose. Love you, as God does, unconditionally as he did go to the cross for you, dies and rose again for you
Do you believe that?
No I don't believe that to be true.

Even if it was true, I will point out that technically its not "unconditional" love. Unless you hold to the reformed view, in which case it is unconditional but only to a select group.
 
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Arminaians make God Unjust !


If God was to punish for sin or anything else anyone Christ died for, I mean for anything, unbelief / disobedience Jn 8:24, then God would be Unjust, because He in Fact would be punishing a perfectly Righteous Person, simply because everyone He hath died for, His Obedience alone, His Obedience even unto death Phil 2:8 made them perfectly Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of oneshall many be made righteous.

And so God would be Guilty of this very thing Abraham mentioned here Gen 18:23-26

23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

If any for whom Christ died be in this number Matt 7:23 ; 25:41 then God would be Unjust for destroying the Righteous with the Wicked ! All of you who teach that those Christ has died for shall go to hell, you are teaching God to be Unjust !939
 

homwardbound

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No I don't believe that to be true.

Even if it was true, I will point out that technically its not "unconditional" love. Unless you hold to the reformed view, in which case it is unconditional but only to a select group.
Okay a better word "in spite of" so why did Jesus do this, go to the cross, being perfect?
Or do you not believe Jesus to be perfect?
thank you for your honest answers
 
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arminians make God unjust?hmmm calvinists are predestined to believe a false doctrine,arminians freely choose to do so?lol
they both fall into a ditch lol