How many of you are for gay rights movement?

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Are you for gay rights?

  • yes

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • no

    Votes: 19 90.5%
  • maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • not sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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So Graybeard let me get this straight. You say we cannot sin anymore? is that what you are implying?
We certainly shouldn't. Further more we shouldn;t accept it in our churches or in our own lives. We should seek after righteousness, and live in holiness.
 
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I don't watchmen. believing we can stop sinning is a Heresy
 
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So Graybeard let me get this straight. You say we cannot sin anymore? is that what you are implying?
No...simply stating what Jesus said..."sin no more" ....however:

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

knock yourself out with this:

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin
 
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@ watchmen. I know Romans 6 explains that.
@ Graybeard *picks up book of Romans and Knocks self out with it* there happy. lol
 
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Some ways that homosexuality has already influenced our society are:
Religion
The Catholic church solicited the assistance of known homosexuals, commissioning them to create artworks. Michelangelo, (one known homosexual), plastered the interior of the Sistine chapel with homoerotic art. It was known that he had an affinity for the male body and young men. He met his boyfriend Tommaso, when he was 57, who later died. He mourned Tommaso’s death and wrote poetry depicting their relationship.

Education
Mock marriages were performed at a high school in Pennsylvania where students chose a mate and pretended to marry them through mock ceremonies, there were also mock divorces. Lesbian couples were among those united in these play marriages.

Government
A new bill is soon expected to be signed by Obama, which gives ‘Federal’ assistance to local and state authorities for hate crimes, making violence against gays a Federal crime. In this bill, Military pay, benefits, and weapons have also been authorized. This is potentially a pandora's box for eventually silencing any opposition to the perverseness of homosexuality.

Influence on Society and children
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."
 
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umm i really dont remember reading michelangelo was a homosexual...wait let me guess that is off wikipedia isnt it
 
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God detroyed somdom and Gamora (not a good speller) for Sodomy; I wander how long He will put up with America.
 
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Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.


If you are a Christian, I think lust, and coveting has already been legislated against . If you are a Christian, then Jesus is everything, not only Saviour, not only Messiah, not only Redeemer, But He should also be Lord, the Lawmaker, King. Why Call me Lord, Lord and do not the things I say. If you love me, keep my commandments. think it strange that It says whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord, thy shall be saved and not whosoever shall call upon the name of the Saviour. If He is not your Lord, are you of His Kingdom?? we must press toward that mark of the High calling of His people, Be ye Holy, for I am Holy, thus saith the Lord.
I don't deny that. And I'm a Christian, of course, so yes, lust has been legislated against for me.

However, not everyone is a Christian. As followers of Christ, we have to decide how we interact with these people. Do we get mired down in political debate with them? Do we oppress them (which would be increasingly difficult with overall declining church numbers, not to mention quite unChristlike...)

In short, do we behave as legislators and judges of this earthly kingdom, or as ambassadors of Christ's Kingdom?
 
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No...simply stating what Jesus said..."sin no more" ....however:

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

knock yourself out with this:

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin
You forgot one: I John 8-10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from alll unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him hout to be a liar and his word has no plase in our lives.

When we receive Christ we do not miraculously stop sinning. We will be sinners until the day we die, but our sins are covered as we continue in faith. Why? because Christ paid for them. Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! But we are what we are, still sinners. We are credited with righteousness for faith. His word says "Christ died for us while we were yet sinners." meaning on-going. We are all works in progress, being transformed into His image as we continue from faith to faith. As long as we have these two natures, the sinful nature and the new man in Christ, they will continue waring against each other. The idea is that as we continue in faith, the new man in Christ, little by little displaces the old nature. Thanks be to God that at the resurrection that old nature will will finally be gone.
 
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Same sex couples should have all of the legal rights that anyone else does. They should also have freedom just like everyone else does. The real underlying issue is that, those who are same sex couples want this activity to be acceptible. We as followers of Christ are to love our neighbor as ourselves, but when it comes to voting on same sex marriage, we cannot vote to approve of it, because we would be guilty of promoting it and basically saying to them and the world that this is acceptible when it is not. Even if the gay community convinced the entire world to make this way of life acceptible, they still would not get by God! He created the heavens and the earth and all that are in them and He makes the rules. If you remember back in August of 2009 an unfortunate thing happened, that being that the Evangelistic Lutheran church in America voted on whether gays should be able to hold positions as clergy within the church and the vote went through. Now gays, just like any other sinner should have the right to go and hear the word of God, but when you have the sexually immoral coming in and wanting to sit in those positions of teaching and preaching without any desire or intention of acknowledging their sin nor repenting, then they do not have the right to hold those positions. Now that they have been voted in, what's next, the teaching that same sex relations is approved by God? God requires that when we come to Him through His Son, that we are in agreement with Him that we are sinners, to confess our sins and repent. Now, that does not mean that we stop being sinners, because that nature will be in us til the day we die or are caught up. The difference is that we who are in Christ agree with God that we are sinners and need His salvation.Our spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit, whereas this group wants to bring their sin of sexual immoralty with them and justify it instead of repenting of it. Paul makes it very clear over and over again saying: "I warn you as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Therefore, for all those who are same sex couples, understand this, you are free to do what you want, but we as Christians cannot vote yes on this because God hates sexual immorality of any kind and we are in agreement with God. Also, he says that He is not mocked for it is written: Whatever a man sows to that is what he will reap. If he sows to the Spirit he will reap eternal life, but if he sows to the flesh, destruction in the lake of fire. Now, those that voted "yes" in the Lutheran church have become that woman Jezabel in the book of revelation of whom Jesus says, "She misleads my servants into sexual immorality." We are in the very last days people! Lift up your heads for your salvation draws near!
 
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Obama appointed Kevin Jennings as ‘Safe Schools Czar’ , he is affiliated with NAMBLA, North American Man Boy Love Association. One of the components of this group’s agenda is to ‘abolish’ the age of consent. Kevin Jennings was very active in homosexual activism since the 90’s, and initiated a movement called The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network.

While it is clear that God forgives those who are repentant of sins and saves those who call upon the Lord, those who have contempt for His Word and His people are not simply seeking equal rights, but much more!

This is not about what occurs between individuals behind closed doors. It is about changing and influencing the Educational and Religious systems as we know them. Christianity is not being forced on any one of these individuals, and their rights as ‘Men and Women’ are already equal to ours. But, their ideals are certainly being forced upon us and upon our children.

Fox News Report regarding Kevin Jennings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RiACcMB1RA
 
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God detroyed somdom and Gamora (not a good speller) for Sodomy; I wander how long He will put up with America.
"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy..." Ezekial 16:49.
 
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Leilaii425

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Im for the right to move gay people out of my way
 
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Depends on what you mean by rights.

Should gays have the same rights as all other citizens? Yes.

Should gays have the right to flaunt their sexuality in lewd parades through San Francisco streets? No, they shouldn't. And neither should anyone else.
agreed (i need to make this more than 10 characters, so I'm doing this little parantheses thing)
 
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NoTearsShed

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I believe in what God created a man & a woman, He dint make adam another man or eve another woman instead he made adam eve from him.
I am against their movement i will NOT support it , Id rather not get involved but if they ask us to vote for yes or no that they can be married in every state or at least in texas. I am 18 now & will vote for NO!
I talk to a couple females that are bi but thats all them, as long as they dont try nothing on me & talk about what they be doing.
 
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One excuse that most homosexuals seem to be using lately is that "I cant help being gay, its the way God made me, its just part of my DNA" That is hogwash! God would not create something that the Bible clearly states is an abomination unto Him. And as far as genetics go, if you look at it from a scientific standpoint, it goes against the very laws of nature! Why are men and women attracted to each other? Because God made it so because it was His will that our species should increase. In nature, whenever a genetic mutation occurs that hinders the furthering of the species (any species), it is soon eliminated; it will not be passed down. Lets just assume that this "gay gene" does exist; if it does, it is a mutation and will be eleminated because it goes against the laws of nature by hindering the continuation of the species. Becoming homosexual is both morally and scientifically, an unatural choice and should not be encouraged.
When people say "I can't help being gay or that is the way I was born", they are talking about the passions and desires they have for that same sex sexual desire. What they and many Christians overlook is the fact that, there are outside forces, namely the powers of darkness, pricipalities and spiritual wickedness that can influence ones desires. Not only that, but they may be the recipients of Romans 1:18-32 and God himself is the one that is causing them to be this way. God gives them over to the sinful desires of their flesh to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies. The reasons for this are as follows:

1. Godlessness and wickedness of men who men who supress the truth by their wickedness.
2. Not recognizing God by His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - being understood from what has been made.
3.Not glorifying God nor giving Him thanks.
4. Exchangng the glory of God for images made to look like mortal man and birds, animals and reptiles.
5. Worshiping and serving created things (Evolution) rather than the creator, who is forever praised. Amen!
6. Because of these God gives them over to unnatural relations so that men and women abondon their their natural relations for unatural ones.

If anyone has a problem with knowing what a natural relationship is, here it is:

Romans 1:263-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with WOMEN and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent hacts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

So, in the verse above we can see that a natural relation is between a man and woman and indecent acts are men with men and women with women. In fact, sexual immorality is everything that is not of marriage between a man and a woman. Here is sexual immorality:

* Men being sexually intimate with another man
* Women being sexually intimate with another women
* A man or woman lying with an animal
* a single man and woman being intimate.
* A married man being intimate with another man's wife and vise versa.

The sexually immoral are always claiming that there is nothing in the word of God regarding same-sex relations, well, He does and it is called "Sexual Immorality" and He made it very clear when He said:

Leviticus 18:22 - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

He also made if very clear of how he feels about it when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities for praticing all of the above.
 
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The truth is, that while it is enjoyable to articulate our opinions about these and other hot button issues, and to show our familiarity with scriptures, most people will do nothing, other than that. The ‘gay rights movement’ agenda will move forward, and no one will ever knock on your door asking for your opinion or your vote.

Few will write their congressman or respond to invitations to assist groups which counter ‘gay rights movement’ activities. Others don’t know who their congressman is, or how to make a difference! We’ve convinced ourselves that having a voice in the political arena is somehow failing to ‘love the sinner’. But, what about loving the children who are being indoctrinated into homosexuality in America’s classrooms.

These are video clips showing real elementary school children being indoctrinated into homosexuality. The Massachusetts School board has voted to begin teaching this in their school system.

http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html
 
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